Please, don't get me wrong, I do believe a little bit of common sense goes a long way; for instance, if a man is a convicted rapist, don't date him! If your neighbor is a pedophile, take your kids and move. This may be a world where our hypothetical store would get robbed; that doesn't mean we have to shrug and say "that's just how it is". That means we have to change it.

I think one thing is being overlooked; rape is not a crime of lust, passion, or desire. It is a crime of control and destruction. What you wear, what you look like, doesn't matter--rape cases have gone all the way to the Supreme Court over that very issue. Besides, males get raped too. I agree that there may be some situations where consent, or lack thereof, wasn't exactly clear. But that has to be argued on a case by case basis.

@ Kah Hilzin-Ec et al: I apologize: I didn't mean to imply that anyone said it was ok to rob or rape.

yeah... there have been instances where old, decidedly unattractive women have been raped because they were easy targets.
the poor guy who was a victim at that party is a prime example of just how it can happen to anyone. he wasn't that big of a guy, very pretty and almost effeminate in appearance, but at the same time he dressed very modestly- he didn't have his pants hanging off his ass, but he didn't have it strangling his junk either. he was just a normal, everyday guy who got caught in the wrong place at the wrong time and ended up tied down and gang-banged.
it's terrible... but it's part of life. it's sad, but it can never truly be overcome. all we can do is do our best to solve rape cases, get these sickos off the streets, get the victims talking and rehabilitated and go on with life.

This one(I) will be discreet but her thoughts on rape are a tad confused. She hears about this and it always seems so obvious that the rapist is at fault... however, this one was raped at thirteen. In her mind, the blame was on herself. Things could have been done to avoid such situations. She's not sure if it really isn't her fault or if she's blinded by self-loathe...

true fact any one that says that it is the victims fault is eather some one who is a rapist them self, has contemplated or imagined raping some one, sexist or see's members of the oposit sex to be sex toys. tho there is the factor of them being stupid or just trying to get a responce/trolling

the fact is that the striotype of a rape is some guy raping a girl that is dressed in revealing cloathing, in reality a rape is the force of sexual actions from the first party (being one or more persons) upon the unwilling second party (being one or more persons) on the event of the second partys refusal (be it at any point in time, even during consented sexual actions).

the fact of cloathing, gender, age, race, location, taboo and dress sence is not applicable and so the fact remains that the fault is alwaysd with the rapist(s).

however. a different fault may be placed upon the victum of braking a curfue but this is erelivent due to the seriousness of the other fault and so has no waight on the matter. regardless of the fact that person shouldnt be their they should however have the safty of not having unlawfull acts being done to them.

@ Juno - She finds some truth to your words. She shouldn't have been with him, she knew that. She could have spoken to him else where in a less dangerous place. Or even over the phone. She doesn't know. She wasn't expecting that to happen. She gave a definite no... >_<

Anyone who says it's the victims fault is either ignorent of the situations, or are sexist pigs.

there are a lot of threads on gaia that i've learned to stay away from. normal people will agree, however there are people who are brought up to believe that clothing choices and being disobeadiant are acceptable reasons.

She was asking for it because she was at that party, only sluts go to those things. or well i could see her panties, she totally wanted it.

Sadly there are people who really believe that. though on gaia most of the posters are very ignorant of the situation. you can't be affected by rape unless you know someone who has been, or you have been yourself. you can sympathize, but most people can't understand the phychological affects it has on it's victims.

about 60% of ed posters in gaia are pretending to be educated. 20% are trolls, and the last little bit sadly are us serious posters. so i wouldn't take it to heart. they're either trolling or they're stupid.

acenaspheru i would just like to point out that not only females get raper males can ge trapped as well by females or males so teh term sexist pig is a little harsh and sexist in itself

and if you live in the city you should know not to where scampy clothing in dark allies i am only saying that it depeneds apon to situation but most of the time i think the blame is split 50-50 between the rapist and the rapie

@ Triforcer100: While a rape takes 2 people or more, it isn't a split 50-50 in my view. Even if you were stupid enough to wear a skirt as tiny as a napkin to go to a club late at night with no friends to protect you, the rapist began the action we refer to as "rape". If the victim is guilty of something, it's of giving the rapist an opportunity, or else the whole situation would never happen.

PS: So according to juno rally and acenaspheru I'm an ignorant sexist pig for being sexually abused by my cousins and talking out of experience?

So what you are saying Triforce is that if someone is wearing 'scampy' clothing. It is legal to rape them?

Originally Posted by Mistress Karumi

@ Juno - She finds some truth to your words. She shouldn't have been with him, she knew that. She could have spoken to him else where in a less dangerous place. Or even over the phone. She doesn't know. She wasn't expecting that to happen. She gave a definite no... >_<

i know thats why i said the fault of the rape was completly on the rapist and not at all on the victime.

@ Kah Hilzin-Ec no not at all, i will admit i had missed off that one and apollogyse for my ignorace

According to the Islam all non Muslima's and those who do not hide their faces behind a fabric cage are asking to be raped and they're doing them a favour by raping them.

This is not a joke, it's a proven fact and I'm more than willing to give you a couple of books to read about the matter.

Book names plx!

Originally Posted by FeyonaSaibre

Book names plx!

The best read IMHO is this book however I cannot seem to find an english version of it which downright sucks and is illogical o_O

Muslim men rape non-muslim woman and minors because they consider them 2nd class people who are asking for it and feel absolutely no regret as they have no respect for european laws. They're actually surprised when they land in prison for commiting that crime.

The above book does not only give hard facts but it also backs up any and all information written in that book by listing every single source. From websites, to books, to tv shows, to local magazines, to news, to police reports and whatever else you can think of.

Well, until the victim puts a gun to an attacker's head to force him to rape someone, no.

acenaspheru i would just like to point out that not only females get raper males can ge trapped as well by females or males so teh term sexist pig is a little harsh and sexist in itself

and if you live in the city you should know not to where scampy clothing in dark allies i am only saying that it depeneds apon to situation but most of the time i think the blame is split 50-50 between the rapist and the rapie
Today 03:27 AM

Seriously, why is anyone intimidated by this post? The mispelling and lack of punctuation alone ...

Originally Posted by Ehnvy

The best read IMHO is this book however I cannot seem to find an english version of it which downright sucks and is illogical o_O

Muslim men rape non-muslim woman and minors because they consider them 2nd class people who are asking for it and feel absolutely no regret as they have no respect for european laws. They're actually surprised when they land in prison for commiting that crime.

The above book does not only give hard facts but it also backs up any and all information written in that book by listing every single source. From websites, to books, to tv shows, to local magazines, to news, to police reports and whatever else you can think of.

Muslim men will also bring flowers to a man to 'tell' him in a kind gesture he wants him to be his sexual partner and/or get married.
It is all cultural based. However, if the females know this and purposely do not wear their vale, would it be rape if they are willing? You have to consider they are raised to do this so wouldnt it become habit for them to never leave the house without it?

Originally Posted by Bartuc

Muslim men will also bring flowers to a man to 'tell' him in a kind gesture he wants him to be his sexual partner and/or get married.
It is all cultural based. However, if the females know this and purposely do not wear their vale, would it be rape if they are willing? You have to consider they are raised to do this so wouldnt it become habit for them to never leave the house without it?

You are aware that there is no homosexuality beneath muslims because it's worth of a death sentence in their mind? A european male was raped in Dubai, he could not press charges on the two muslim rapists as that would mean the victim was also gay and would have to face prison for that if not a death sentence just to press charges. It doesn't make sense but that's the Islam for you.

I might have read this wrong but it really does sound you're talking about man and man together. That WILL get you openly stoned without fair trial.

Originally Posted by Bartuc

Muslim men will also bring flowers to a man to 'tell' him in a kind gesture he wants him to be his sexual partner and/or get married.
It is all cultural based. However, if the females know this and purposely do not wear their vale, would it be rape if they are willing? You have to consider they are raised to do this so wouldnt it become habit for them to never leave the house without it?

I'd like to know where that happens, and where gay marriage between muslim men is even accepted.

Fake marriages happen even here in Belgium to "save the honour" of gay muslim men, because otherwise their family and friends would leave them. If two men wanted to get married in Sharia-reigned countries, or even just love each other, they can get jailtime, corporal or even capital punishment.

I don't think rape could ever be the victim's fault, regardless of the gender of the assailant or the victim. Rape is instigated by the attacker with no regards to the victim's wishes. No means no, and it can't be joked about; ever. A good friend of mine was raped and her assailant was thankfully locked away.

@jenova im sorry to hear that any im glad that they were cought and locked up. i hope your friend is ok :/

I am not saying it is legal to rape underany surcumstances i am just say that i think common sence, or lack there of, is one of teh reasons most people get raped

Originally Posted by triforcer100

I am not saying it is legal to rape underany surcumstances i am just say that i think common sence, or lack there of, is one of teh reasons most people get raped

ok true commen sence should be used at times, but i'll give you this as something to thing about. imaging that is some people, its not important who they are all you need to know is that they piss you off, they have stolen your partner throught legal actions through devorce you have lost every thing to them, they beat your kids but you have no way of proving it and loads of other stuff. so much so you want to kill them. want! but dont because you know that its wrong. true you may think that they are asking for it and deserve it but it is still something that is wrong.

the fact that they may be wearing appealing clothing that is revealing may stear some feelings of lust in the attacker the fact remains that they should be able to wear such clothing with out having to worrie about getting raped.


saying that its partly the fault of the victim because they have appealed to the rapist taists is rediculess, are people ment to go round looking unattractive? wearing shabby clothing? not at all it is the complete choise of the person to dress how they want and it should be up to every one else to understand that no means no!

i agree but the only problem is that THEY DO have to worry about getting raped and until people stop rapeing witch will be never people should be more carful

No matter what unwise decisions you may make, it's NEVER your fault if you get raped. Not even if you're having sex and then your partner decides to do something to you that you aren't okay with--at that point, it ceases to be sex and becomes rape. Even if you're married to someone, if they get physical with you without your consent, it is rape. And getting a girl drunk to make her easier to get into bed? By law, that's also rape, though it's rarely reported or thought of as such.

Rape is anything that one partner does not consent to or cannot consent to because their judgment is impaired. It is also rape if the victim was pressured into having intercourse, meaning they did not give a straight, "yes" or even a yes at all, they just didn't stop the person raping them. Those are all legal definitions of rape, by the way.

Also, only 3% (fixed, I checked my volunteer's handbook for the local women's center and got the actual number, not the one it somehow became in my head) of the male population in the US rapes. And those that rape do it over and over again. So if you're raped, please report it. Chances are they've tried to take power from more than one person than you, and will continue to do so.

9% of the population? That would be like 18% of males [assuming the majority of rapist are male], and would make almost 2 out of 10 men rapist o_o Cite your sources please, this seems too exaggerated...

PS: But giving into those unwise decisions does make you guilty of giving them an opportunity, a chance, in my opinion.

Sorry, I didn't make myself very clear. I meant 3% of the male population in the United States, which makes sense in context that one in six women and one in thirty-three men will be raped in their lifetimes and that every two minutes someone is sexually assaulted. Many rapists are under the influence of drugs or alcohol themselves when they commit the crime, meaning they may not be as morally aware as usual, or they may not have been taught that what they're doing was wrong. Much of that 3%, if educated about rape, would cease their activities, I'm sure.

http://www.paralumun.com/issuesrapestats.htm
http://www.feminist.com/antiviolence/facts.html
http://www.speakout.org.za/events/stats/stats_Usa.html
http://www.rainn.org/statistics