Hm, I think it is should never be the victim's fault. That is all.

I don't think it's the victim's fault.

rape is never the victims fault, it doesn't matter if they are male or female. But i do say that many people put themselves in situations for it to happen then they are shocked when it happens. when you kids walking around and dressing in skimpy clothes they want the sexual attraction of men. then they freak out when someone goes after them.

You can dress sexy without dressing slutty as my mother said to me:

I say it's the rapist's. Susie Lou, 13-years-old, is a good girl and is nice to everyone. While walking home from school, a man kindly asks her to help him move something large from his garage. She trusts him and follows him back. BOOM! An hour later, she's huddled in some abandoned area completely traumatized and in pain in more ways than one.

However, I have no sympathy for Jessica, 16, who goes to a college party wearing something her father would burn at the stake. She willingly partakes in alcohol and drugs and whatnot. She meets a guy and flirts with him in a drunken stupor. They wander to somewhere private and hormones flair. If she claims rape, she is stupid. I'm sorry, but she is. She willingly got herself into that mess by choosing the bad decisions like alcohol and drug use.

People dont just asked to get raped.Yes, certain things lead to them being more of a target, such as drinking and being alone in dark and isolated areas, but still really, they didnt walk up to someone and say ok rape me, its the rapist that is to blame end of story, they are the ones that made the choice to alter that persons life forever in the negative and let me remind you free will is a choice, and if you are forced to do something against your will your loosing your free will, so whom ever it was causing you to loose your choice is to blame because they become the one responsible to make the right choices

I agree with the OP. I don't understand how some girls blame themselves when they are raped. I feel bad for those girls that do that.

Eh. I could argue it either way. My personal belief is that the victim shouldn't be putting themselves in that situation to begin with, BUT it is not entirely their fault. They didn't ask for the instance to incur and it is very rare that there is anything they could do to stop it once it begins. Though, I do think the victim can be entirely retarded in their setting themselves up for that type of situation to occur.

There just comes a point where you can't really feel sympathetic towards the victim. Crappy situation, but if they put themselves in the position for it to occur then shame on them.

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yes ok.. its not the girl's fault.. but if some young girl was to walk down a back street all dressed up in 'unappropriate' clothes and lots of make up.. well..
i think she should be more careful

I don't think it's ever the victims' fault. Unless well maybe you were drunk or something and leading the rapist on, or in short not using some common sense with your surroundings, well, yeah, it's kinda on you. But still never completely the victims' fault.

Can you contradict yourself anymore?

French_fries
We are talking about rape in general. Not singling out the fact men can get raped too.

Mnemosyne
How is it their fault period. Are you saying that everyone should never leave a sealed cage. Confine themselves and alienate themselves from society. I mean that is the only way they put themselves out their for rape is by letting people know of their existence.
Your entire post is irrelevant and illogical. I don't know anyone who walks around with a big "RAPE ME NOA!" sign on their back. :roll:

It is never the victems fault, even if it was a man. I have heard of men or boys who got raped, by men and women, and they were told that they should be happy they got to have sex.

Even if you are a man, a woman or anything inbetween you are still a person and concent is informed and knowlagable required otherwise it is rape.

1) How are they bringing it upon themselves?
2) The only logical situation I can think of for not fighting back is in the situation that the victim has been repeatedly raped to the point where fighting back has been proven hopeless. If you don't fight back at all... that's not sex against your will, that's sex while indifferent.
3) No sense of anything? That's a pretty wide generalization to make over all girls. I see plenty of women with good common sense, and some of them get raped anyway.

Don't generalize that all girls lack common sense.
And how does a victim bring rape upon themselves anyways? Remember, rape IS a traumatic experience, during the course of it and afterwards.
I know many girls who have good judgement and enough common sense to avoid that type of situation. But I bet you, the reason why they don't fight back may be due to different factors - the rapist may have a gun, the victim is stricken with paralysis (due to fear), the victim was unknowingly given a drug, which caused impairment, and so forth.

And young teenage girls and adult women are not the only ones targeted for rape - so are infants, the elderly, and young children. How could they fight back against a grown man/woman?

I am also referring to Mnemosyne's post, not just the one I've quoted.
& nobody asks to get raped. NOBODY. To say it's their fault for putting themselves into that situation or for not defending themselves from the rapist is a horrible way to respond to a victim's pain, regardless if they were at a party/nightclub or walking home by themselves.
To tell those girls they shouldn't be walking into those scenerios, is like telling them to stay at home forever - they had no idea that they were going to meet a potential rapist at that point. And if they did know, then I'm highly positive that they will avoid it.

Rapists are sociopaths. Often they can not charm women, they're weak, it's never the victims fault. Rapists target woman who are vulnerable, and everyone is vulnerable at one point or another. And as Pinkii said, telling a woman they shouldn't be walking into those scenario's is like telling a woman that she should be scared of everyone around her for the rest of her life. And not all rapists are men, just like not all ballet dancers are women. You can't tell they're a rapist just from one encounter, and more often than not, the women are too afraid to speak up about being rape victims which is why you don't often hear about it on the news.

No one ever, EVER deserves to be raped.

Okay, you've been beaten down--points of contact are stinging and starting to bleed under the skin. Your back feels like it's been shattered. There's the weight of your assailant on your mid section and a knife pressed securely near your jugular vein (that's something important in your neck that can bleed a lot--enough for you to die from) should you move in a way your assailant doesn't like or try to scream...

What do you do?

A man is holding a gun to your head and he's fingering the trigger, what chance do you have of fighting back if he can pull the trigger faster than you can run? Do you mean teenage girls or women in general? I have common sense, it's been drilled into me. Not all women can sense danger, just like not all men can sense it either. If you were at a party, can you tell if a really sweet guy is actually the one who'll take you in the back of a car and try to rape you?

Just because the 2 examples were female, doesn't mean that she was saying guys can't be raped. Yes, PHMT, but that isn't really the point of the thread is it?

As for the thread itself-- no, I don't think it's the victim's fault. It happens to people all over the place wearing all kinds of clothes. Egypt, where people tend to dress much more modestly than in the US, has the highest rates of street harassment in the world. Harassment is different from rape, but it stems from the same place.

Rape is non-consensual. Therefore if you ask to get raped, it's not rape. Therefore the victim is never at fault and the rapist is always at fault. :)

Rape is never the fault of the victim. the victim is either the victim of an unfortunate series of events, spanning however long, resulting in a stranger, or a 'friend' or someone close like that forcing them into something that they didn't want.

HOWEVER: I don't believe every 'victim' is a victim.

I've seen so many cases where they gave full consent, both male and female, only to turn around and call it rape because no emotional relationship formed of it.

The same way with 'victims' who get drunk and wake up in a hotel room with a guy/girl the next day. No matter how drunk you are, if you give consent, it isn't rape no matter how intoxicated you were or how much you regret it.

Notice the bold. If you're too drunk to fight back, forced against a wall and raped, then yes, you were raped, call the police, get counseling. Talk to people, do what you have to in order to recover.

If you're drunk, and some guy says 'lets get a room and do it' and you say 'sure' 'okay' 'hell yeah' or anything else like that, you aren't a victim, you're stupid, and are just trying to ruin someone else's life along with your own that you already ruined.