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Flink 11-15-2009 05:47 AM

Depends, insurance companies are very wary of "fertility issues." Which is the reason I can't get insurance, actually. I have a condition which they think means I'll need/want aid in getting pregnant in the future.

I've this odd feeling insurance won't want to pay for the freezing of embryos. No, they're not connected since the woman can obviously GET pregnant, but still.

Also keep in mind that insurance does not pay for birth control. So why would they pay for something to postpone a pregnancy when they don't pay for something to prevent it? (Even if, in my case, it's for medical reasons.)

Keyori 11-15-2009 06:25 PM

My insurance actually does pay for birth control (although I'm taking it for something else, it's just a lovely side-effect that it's hard for me to get pregnant too lol). It also paid for part of Plan B when I needed it. I think my company realizes that preventing pregnancy is less expensive than having a child. Good on them :)

You've made me nervous though, about going to find coverage on my own once I'm no longer eligible to be on my parents' plan. I will likely need help getting pregnant in the future through the use of ovulatory drugs (so I have more than 4 random chances a year to get preggo, lol). But, we'll see. Maybe by then I won't have to worry about it.

You're right though, maybe it is wishful thinking that insurance would cover it. But, maybe in the future, companies will actually do the right thing. We still have health care reform to iron out, and who knows what'll happen in the process.

But, money aside, I'd still like to know which options are considered more "ethical" in ending a pregnancy. Since I'm not a pro-lifer, I can't really judge that very well.

Shalandriel 11-15-2009 10:26 PM

Sign up for the insurance at Planned Parenthood. You don't actually have to get the insurance, just sign up to find if you're eligible. I think the first 3 packs of the pill are free, then I'm not sure how much after that (I think like $20 a month). It's pretty cheap.

pamiishammy 11-16-2009 12:18 AM

My opinion is that abortion is wrong no matter what the situation.

MollyJean 11-16-2009 12:20 AM

My opinion is that people who think abortion is wrong no matter what the situation aren't really thinking very hard about the issue.

Keyori 11-16-2009 01:06 AM

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Originally Posted by MollyJean (Post 1765657822)
My opinion is that people who think abortion is wrong no matter what the situation aren't really thinking very hard about the issue.

This.

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Originally Posted by Shalandriel (Post 1765656772)
Sign up for the insurance at Planned Parenthood. You don't actually have to get the insurance, just sign up to find if you're eligible. I think the first 3 packs of the pill are free, then I'm not sure how much after that (I think like $20 a month). It's pretty cheap.

I don't have Planned Parenthood insurance (I get mine through Aetna actually), but on my old Loestrin prescription I was paying something like $16/mo. through Walmart's pharmacy (I think the insurance-less price is close to $50/mo)

However, my new prescription is $25 for three months, and it's a higher dosage. *shrug*

I can get free condoms at PP and my student health center though :D

And for a while, PP was giving out free HPV vaccinations. I chose not to get one though, since I'm monogamous and not really at risk for cervical cancer (also, I hate needles xD)

Shalandriel 11-16-2009 01:52 AM

I've had to deal with needles so much they don't really phase me anymore. Lots of blood work done, lets just say. >.>

I'm not even going to bother with the pill after I move. My boyfriends going to be on the other side of the country for about a year and a half, so there's really no point XD

Keyori 11-16-2009 01:54 AM

I don't take the pill specifically for its baby-preventing properties, I use it to force my body to have more than 4 periods a year :/

But, it's also nice that it prevents babies too :D

I will get vaccinations I need, but I usually don't "opt-in" to other things (like the flu vax or the HPV vax)

Shalandriel 11-16-2009 01:56 AM

I have mine on a regular basis, so I'm good in that part XD

I've had all the demanded vaccines that I got in school, I won't get any others though.

MollyJean 11-16-2009 11:38 PM

I haven't had one in 6 years... I get the Depo Pravara shots once every 3 months (about 50 bucks a shot, not covered by any insurance). This way I don't forget a pill.. and I am VERY forgetful. It was kind of annoying the first couple of months, when my monthlies just.. stopped. I went through like 20 pregnancy tests.. then found out it's a possible side effect and I don't worry about it anymore.

m00finsan 11-17-2009 03:38 AM

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Originally Posted by MollyJean (Post 1765657822)
My opinion is that people who think abortion is wrong no matter what the situation aren't really thinking very hard about the issue.

Apologies for the short post, but:

Owned.

Shalandriel 11-18-2009 01:38 AM

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Originally Posted by MollyJean (Post 1765664822)
I haven't had one in 6 years... I get the Depo Pravara shots once every 3 months (about 50 bucks a shot, not covered by any insurance). This way I don't forget a pill.. and I am VERY forgetful. It was kind of annoying the first couple of months, when my monthlies just.. stopped. I went through like 20 pregnancy tests.. then found out it's a possible side effect and I don't worry about it anymore.

How old are you, if you don't mind me asking? I mean, if you're not getting your monthlies, that means you're not dropping and egg, am I right? Couldn't that mean you are, or that it could lead to, possible sterility? I mean, if you don't mind, that's no big deal, but that seems like a serious health issue to me.

Fabby 11-18-2009 02:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Shalandriel (Post 1765673438)
How old are you, if you don't mind me asking? I mean, if you're not getting your monthlies, that means you're not dropping and egg, am I right? Couldn't that mean you are, or that it could lead to, possible sterility? I mean, if you don't mind, that's no big deal, but that seems like a serious health issue to me.


You don't release an egg on any type of birth control, and it's not a serious health problem. It's actually exactly what birth control is designed to do. And from what I've heard, not getting a period is a pretty common side effect of Depo; you don't actually need a period when you're on birth control anyway.

Shalandriel 11-18-2009 04:47 AM

Yeah, but not having one for six YEARS? And, yes, you can release an egg. They're called "break-through ovulation", or something like that. My sister got pregnant twice while on the pill due to this. I know you're not supposed to drop them, it's just strange to NEVER drop one. I know it's a side-effect and in general, it's not an issue, but 6 years is an extremely long time and I've never heard of someone going that long without a period, even on birth control.

Fabby 11-18-2009 05:16 AM

Well, obviously you CAN release an egg (is there anyone in here who's bitched about failure rates of birth control more than me?) but if all is going well you shouldn't. I would hope that people who use birth control for six years and don't get pregnant aren't an anomaly.
And I would hope that Molly has, in the past six years, visited a doctor and this subject has been brought up by now. xD

Shalandriel 11-18-2009 05:21 AM

Just because you don't drop an egg doesn't mean you don't produce the lining though that is your period though, that's what I'm referring to. She hasn't had a period in 6 years...at least that's what I got from her post. Hence why I was asking her age and the other questions, as I assume she's seen a doctor about it and I want to know.

MollyJean 11-18-2009 06:08 AM

Alright just to clear this up. The Depo shots, like every kind of birth control, effect every person different. For me, it's stopped my periods. I don't get cramps, I don't drop eggs. I've spotted maybe 10 times in the last 6 years, but these lasted a day at most, and then where gone.

And none of this is uncommon. My doctor says I could stop taking the shots now, and within 3 months, I would be back to normal and able to conceive. The thing is, I don't want any more children right now, and I am very forgetful, and don't want an accident, so only getting the shot once every 3 months is right for me, and doesn't carry nearly as many risks as implants.

As for me being sternal. There's no scientific evidence that prolong birth control can cause sterility. No evidence that shutting down a menstral cycle can cause sterility, really nothing for me to worry about in general. There is, of course, always that .01-.5% or whatever chance that something could go wrong, but that's true with everything, there is always a chance. That includes pills and implants and tub litigation.. so I don't really worry about the .5%. In a normal person, this isn't a problem, and I can only asume, til my doctor says otherwise, that I am a normal person.

I'll be 30 Feb 2nd, by the way. And I HAVE to see my doctor every 3 months to get the shots, I can't give them to myself. And because I don't have my periods, I HAVE to get a pregnancy test every time I go, to make sure nothing has been missed. So far, I've never had a problem. I get a yearly exam with pap and blood test to check hormone levels and nothing's ever come back abnormal, so I leave it alone. I'm not going to start worrying now.

The shots are 50 bucks every 3 months. That's 200 a year. Getting my tubes tied is $19,000. And I don't trust the implants. Known too many people personally who have had problems. In a numbers crunch, which is what this is, partly, I'm better off with the shots.

Added: The biggest risk I know of in the Depo-Provera shots is calcium deficiency and bone density loss. I take calcium supplements, have since I started the shots, but haven't suffered noticeably from any bone problems. almost 30 and still never broke anything :)

Shalandriel 11-18-2009 06:23 AM

I know you aren't supposed to become sterile, just never heard of such an extreme case is all. It's pretty hard to make the female body sterile. My sister had 6 cists (sp??) on one of her ovaries. She couldn't afford to have them removed, so I think they gave her some kind of medication for them...but something got complicated (I don't know the details) and they told her that she was pretty much sterile due to that and other things. But hey, hey, her she is with a baby anyways! So, not only was one of her ovaries not dropping eggs, but she was also on the pill. Then when they tested her hormone level when they found out she was pregnant it was off the charts, they thought she was going to have twins! (she definitely looked like she would). That'd be an interesting turn of events. Have an abortion, then a year later get pregnant again and have twins? She didn't, though it would be interesting had she.

That's pretty cheap. o.o

MollyJean 11-18-2009 06:38 AM

I would suggest looking at the research. The longer you're on any birth control, the longer it's going to take the body to regulate. My Dr. says 3 months. I think it would be more like 6-9 because I've been on it so long, but there is no research showing that it stopped women from becoming pregnant. Of course, as I said, every woman is different. I'm sure it does happen, but it's not normal

But I don't see why it would cause any problems, honestly. It's not like it's killing the eggs, just shutting down the system that delivers them. I still have all my eggs. I'm sure if I wanted to have them removed and frozen, I could do that without any problems. And my uterus is in working order, just in stasis. And that's hormonal, not physical. As long as my hormones hit normal again, I should be able to have more children if I wanted them. And there have been no reports of Depo causing any type of cancer, so I'm not likely to have any serious imbalances due to that.

And I'm not sure what to say about your sister. There is a reason I get a pregnancy test every 3 months. I'm not having a visible period. I get the blood test so we know for sure, because any and every kind of birth control has a fail rate. And with Depo, the hormone doses are so high that a baby would have some serious birth defects.

Keyori 11-18-2009 03:04 PM

Molly: Isn't not having periods awesome? :D

I enjoy that, without any supplements, I only have 4 periods a year (attributed to Polycystic Ovary Syndrome, look it up if you're interested in it), but ovulation is extremely painful for me and I can never tell if I'm missing a period or not so I'm on the pill. When I was on Loestrin I was up to a period every other month (and light spotting on the "off" months) and that made my fiance crazy worried all the time (my periods were like Christmas for him, even though I kept telling him I'd probably know very quickly if I were pregnant). So now I'm on this high-dose stuff that seriously kicks my testosterone in the rear. I've only been on it for a couple of weeks now though, so I'm still waiting to see how my body is going to react to it.

I still wonder how soon it would take for me to figure if I'm preggo or not (without being able to tell if I've genuinely missed a period or not). I've only had a few "scares" (all were negatory), but I'm so sensitive to pain and bodily changes that I figure I'd notice pretty soon, even though I've known women who didn't feel anything until well into the second trimester.

Lelouch vii 11-18-2009 05:38 PM

abortion is wrong! it is plain and simply MURDER! if u dont want the child u can give it up for adoption, and its not a private decision when it comes to killing an innocent living being! any other person that commits murder can be sentenced to death rowe what makes someone who kills their baby any better, the baby is also alive and deserves a chance , it is wrong to simply decide whether it lives or dies, thats like playing god! their are preventive measures that do work if taken properly and besides sex is serious and should be taken seriously!

Mama Juru 11-18-2009 06:41 PM

I have given someone permission to start a new thread. This one is going to be locked. Having a differing opinion is not necessarily trolling and calling people out on their arguments isn't necessarily flaming.

We look at things on a case by case basis but I think at this point, a fresh thread for this particular debate is going to be the best thing.


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