Pretty good, lazy Saturday since I don't have rehearsal. :3 How are you?

Yay for lazy Saturdays. Mine's been fairly lazy too.. been trying to work on my dissertation proposal but didn't really get very far and now it's late, so my brain is in no-thinking-mode.
*drools*
Erm yeah.
:D
I was saying something..?

LJOS! :glomp:
You smell awful. :talk2hand:

I've had my fair share of interest in crossdressing... Although I personally would probably do it in a more humorous way... As in, Miss Coco Peru, who doubles as a stand-up comic.
I've had this recent interest in becoming a drag queen at some point in my life; whether recreational or occupational, I'm not certain. I just love the outlandish outfits and obscene globs of makeup... :lol:

@ljos- Ooh, I'm sorry. :C What class are you writing a dissertation for?
My lazy Saturday was un-lazied when I was dragged to Target with my stepmom. Got some nice clothes, though. o wo

@Face- ORLIKEEDDIEIZZARDORLIKEEDDIEIZZARDORLIKEEDDIEIZZAR D!? :O

Facade, shut up bitch, I've got your bows. >: D
<3

I like drag and queens and humorous cross dressing, but I think I will pretty much always do it for very personal reasons, and more to pass rather than to make a statement or humorously. It's just not really my thing.. and I am not a fan of ridiculous amounts of make-up, tight corsets, huge wigs, etc. xD I'm really not the type for it anyway.

Anna, I'm doing like, the dissertation for my BA course. Which is photography. I'm trying to justify doing it on trans culture and how photography can be cathartic for cross dressers and trans people. I dunno if it's enough though, and I have no idea where to even start writing. x____x
Yay for new clothes! I want to go shopping for clothes so bad.. haven't been able to since before I got the cast, and now I've had to spend so much money on cabs and home delivery on food (and uh, flight tickets >.> ) that I don't really have any money to spend on clothes and stuff. :gonk:

Eddie Izzard is love.

@BloodyLuciel: kind of, it's hard to explain unless I go to wiki and take their definition. :S

Ljos- Welcome, I'm glad you have input for this little hangout here. Is "Pat" in reference to the "It's Pat!" Saturday Night Live sketch? I'm lucky because I have the "12 year old pre pubescent vampire" complex, so I know I can cross dress sucessfully... but I usually dress in "neutral" clothes anyways (black slacks, black t-shirt, some sort of pewter pendant?) anyways.

Facade- Being able to laugh at yourself is a step towards being healthy and accepting yourself and all that. It's those of us who freak out about ourselves who are the ones that take like a dozen pills a day. I actually envy you for being able to take a satirical point of view and be cool with it.

Hey, thanks Crow. And no, it's a reference to the name Patrekur, which is mine. :) I've never watched SNL, though I've seen some random sketches on YouTube.
Hehe, lucky. I'm not sure how it will go for me, I think I can get the look right fairly easily, but it's more than just looking the part.. I go through phases where I lean more toward either gender and I've just been through a pretty long one where I lean toward my biological one, so switching over completely (which I've never done before, really) is going to be strange. Getting the voice and movements right and all that. But I think it'll be fun!

Not taking yourself too seriously is a very important step toward happiness and self acceptance, it's true. It can be difficult though, I'm sort of on my way there I guess. Sometimes I can not care and make fun of myself, but sometimes I can be terribly concerned about the way I present myself. But I'm getting there!

I have a very distinctly feminine face and... er... a chest that will not be bound. ^^; So, I don't think I'll ever be able to pass for male (although I do sometimes sing tenor in choir). I have successfully bound my chest once before, though, but it was with a flipped around back brace, so my front was all lumpy and gross. xD; I think I might try again with a bunch of Ace bandages, if I can get my hands on them, I love taking photos/videos with my chest bound. Maybe one day, I'll even have the courage to do it in public. Of course, I'd have to buy more manly clothes before then. I was about to get a really nice androgynous button-up shirt at Tarjay today, but it was $30, and I only had $35, and I was supposed to buy other things anyways.

Yeah I understand Ace bandages are good for that. I've also heard of people managing to tie down pretty big chests and making them look natural enough to pass, so everything is possible. :P And yeah, I love getting pictures of myself where I look either androgynous or where I could pass for the opposite sex. Makes me happy. Which is why I want to write about how photography can help transgender people, I just need to find more trans people to talk to about their experiences with it. Gah. I was trying to find some on flickr, but if you try to search for trans anything on there, you get such a massive amount of cross dressing porn it takes hours to find anything relevant. :| Managed to find two trans women though who didn't have overtly sexual pictures of themselves and sent them messages, hoping to get positive responses.
I really should've done this sooner though. xD

The idea of just creating an alternate persona of my very own where I can escape my own heap of crap and just laugh it all off... That just seems ideal to me. xD
Don't get me wrong - I have issues here and there where I'll totally be a bitch when someone I don't know and who doesn't know me makes gay remarks in my presence (which are usually directed to me... indirectly. If that makes sense?). I don't flat-out say anything, but I just stare people down and other stuff. :sweat:

I'm comfortable in my own skin, but I hate being around people who aren't comfortable with me being comfortable.
Which, in turn, makes me bitter about the state of the world and just overall hate the human race.
Dumb pieces of doo-doo.

Since we're talking about photographs and such, I figured I would present a few of mine, and yes, everyone in these pictures ARE REALLY ME.

Boy or Girl?


Girl or Boy?


Boy or Girl?


Girl or Boy?

It's generally fun to be the "twelve year old vampire" though sometimes it is quite annoying (when I try to get into an event that has an age limit, or when I teach at a middle or all ages school to not be mistaken for a student).

Cool pictures, Crow, I especially like the third one, awesome haircut. And the last one is adorable. x3 You really can't tell from these pictures if you're male or female, could easily be either.
Hm, I just posted my picture on Mene for the first time earlier today, so I guess since I've already broken that rule once now, I might as well do it again. So here are two random, very different versions of me: 1 2
The first one was taken today (the moustache is for charity and I've not had much sleep lately, so I look a bit rough) and the second one was taken last year. That hair was briiiight bubblegum pink a few weeks before it was taken, there it's just faded and too long and weird. And uh yeah. I don't know what's up with the pose either. Enough with the excuses. C:

@ljos/pat- Awesome pictures of you as well. I see how you can pull off the androgyne/double take sort of feel in real life as well.

I went to the grocery store earlier today and began a conversation with a lady who was giving out samples of Kozy Shack chocolate pudding... she mentioned it was kosher and I told her about my morals about being mostly vegetarian due to boycotting 'the [bad] industry'... and also about my disability. She asked how old I was, and I told her to guess. Her guess was seventeen... roughly 2/3rds of my actual age. As annoying as it is now, I have been told by many, many people that "one day I will be thankful" for looking so young.

Thanks. :)

What kind of disability, if you don't mind me asking? So you're what.. twenty-something? I can imagine getting told that would get tired after a while. >.o

@The_Crow: Are you Lupin in one of those pics? I <3 Lupin the Third! :D

Hm... I do look like a woman. No lie about that now. ^_~;

http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/8878/dsc00060iql.jpg

There's a link, since it is going to stretch the page. :(

You guys are all so attractive! And ljos, Crow, if I didn't know which biological gender you were already, I wouldn't be able to tell which you were. <3

Here are mine. I'm a camerawhore, so it's a huge photodump. Dx
All but the first 3 male ones are from the past two days. Can you guess how old I am? o wo

Female:
1 2 3 4 5 (there's a lot more girlypics on my Flickr, but I only felt like linking to the most recent ones. o wo)

Male:
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 (these are the only ones where I look remotely boyish. >_>)

I edited all of them, but nothing more than a few gradients and filters~

Just wanted to pop in and say hi, and I love the thread. I'm a very omni gendered looking person, and if it weren't for the boobs and inability to grow a real beard, would look exactly like my father (no the real question, does that make me a slightly masculine female or does that make my father a slightly feminine male? Lol.) I also favor both genders equally in my sexual orientation, and have always ALWAYS questioned why our genders should factor in at all I had to fight to get a front desk position at the hotel I work at, and was asked several times when I first started if I'd be more comfortable with a position in housekeeping, or as the breakfast attendant. Also, might I add, that they laughed at me when I said I'd like to help out with the maintenance crew (even though I'm certified in most common shop equipment and used to work construction in the summers with my dad, not to mention the custom tile mosaic floors I used to do all the work on when he started his own renovating company, and the outdoor brick and stone work I did for his company too.) Granted, I do live/work in a very small town, with a very small town 50's mentality, but still, I can handle myself dealing with complaining guests, drunk people in the lobby, and any other general issues just as well as anyone else. So yes, so glad to see that there are others out there that agree that while we can be appreciated for our genders, they shouldn't be what truly defines who we are, or what we're capable of.

Lizzy and Anna, you're both very pretty. And Anna, I think you look very androgynous in your boy pictures, I could be fooled by most of them, especially the "I Try But I'm Not Convincing" one. And thanks. ^___^ I would probably guess you were around 18? I like your haircut, by the way.

Hello Swan! It sucks that people think you can't do a certain job just because you're a girl. It always makes me so angry and disappointed when I realise how much sexism still pervades our society. Especially when I meet people who say equality has come such a long way. Sure, it's come a pretty long way in the last century or so, but the sexes are still nowhere near equal. Women are still getting paid less to do the same jobs as men, people are still stuck in thinking about certain jobs as either female or male jobs, not to mention the violence.
Sorry about that tangent, like I said, it makes me angry. >.< People put way too much weight on a person's biological sex.

Aw thanks, ljos! >//w//< I'm actually planning on going out like that tomorrow, and I'm really anxious~ I mean, it's at Rainbow Alley, so I'm not afraid of being judged or anything, just nervous.
Nope! I'm younger than that~ x3

@Swan- I agree, gender really shouldn't be a deciding factor in what you can do, and it makes me rage that people make it one.
It's super cool that you favor your dad in appearance! I used to be a smaller copy of my mom, but then I got glasses and cut my hair and now people tell me I look like a lankier version of my dad, but with my mom's chest. >_>;

Anna, well, at least I didn't think you were younger than you are, right? xD So what.. 17? 16? And ooh, good luck! I bet it'll be absolutely fine, but I can understand the anxiety. I've never gone out in public in really proper cross-dressing mode, but I'm going to try it soon.

I used to be a complete copy of my dad when I was a kid, then when I grew up I started looking a lot more like my mum, but still with some features that are very much my dad.. I'm kind of like a perfectly balanced mix of the two. My brothers, however.. one of them is just absolutely like our dad, and the other is so much like our mum. xD

Trufax! I'm so flattered. x3 Yurp, 16. 17 in May. I'm such a baby. OTL
Well, I went today and it was okay. I was nervous, so I talked in a really high-pitched voice and pretty much nobody thought I was a guy, although I did get some weird looks. It's just too hard to bind my chest right. :< Good luck when you try! I'm sure you'll be tons better than I was. :heart:

That's really cool that it worked out that way! Your family is like a Punnett square!

Because I started this thread, I try to keep up with it and its wellbeing however. I have had some personal emergencies as of late that have and will keep me from being around as much as you all are used to.

My humblest apologies, but life happens... and when it's MY life... it's worth writing a novel about.

Crow, I don't know if you read this, but I am sorry to hear that, sounds like you're having to put up with a completely unfair amount of shit. :/ Wish I could help, but instead I'll have to settle for sending positive thoughts, however much good that may do. Hope you get things sorted soon!

Anna, at least I wasn't too far off! I'm glad your cross-dressing venture went well. I explained to my mate from uni today that I want to be biologically the opposite sex, but still cross-dress. She wouldn't get it. She kept insisting that meant I wanted to be my actual sex, which is not true at all.. gahh. I just gave up in the end.
A Punnett square..? xD

That sounds awful, Crow. :( I hope things get better for you. :( Be careful now and watch out for bears. They in Florida too. Grr Grr Grr! The hood bears are the scariest. they dress like gangsters and talk like rappers. ;)