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Hyena 02-07-2011 01:34 AM

Its both fascinating and frightening. o_o

Cardinal Biggles 02-07-2011 01:37 AM

I would have to agree.
One of the things that frightens me the most is the internet. The way we are all so plugged in already. I don't have a facebook, but it seems to me that there may be a day soon where we can't function without sites like it...

Hyena 02-07-2011 01:51 AM

My 'business' is web-based, so I kind of have to be plugged in for it to gain the amount of success that I would like it to. Its the most effective way for me to advertise and keep track of how many people are reading my comics. There aren't any real places in town for me to print my books without costing an arm and a leg, so I have my stuff available as print-on-demand through a web printer. Though, I never substitute web-critique for a good tête à tête.

What concerns me is how the Internet affects a growing person's mind. I don't think that the Internet makes you stupid, but I do believe that it changes what people perceive to be acceptable behaviors. For example, there are a lot of people lacking in social skills because that's something that chat forums are not good at teaching. You're interacting, but you're not using your skills to the full extent. Most communication is non-verbal. I don't know if that means that there is a severe drop in empathy, but to me it seems that way. (Mind you, I work at Walmart. Empathy is already at a low point. My worldview is pretty skewed.)

However, I do believe that some of the responsibility belongs to the parents. My parents occasionally forced me to go to things that did not require me to sit in a chair and talk to strangers via a series of tubes.

Cardinal Biggles 02-07-2011 01:56 AM

I'm glad you brought up a lack of empathy as a concern, if not an noticeable or actual reality.
I was talking to someone the other day about the concept of nobility/noble gestures. I think that in this internet age, where we are fragmented and interact in a mainly superficial way, we face the risk of losing the implementation of noble gestures. I'm not sure how relevant it all is. But as someone whose favourite cultural movement was romanticism, it means something to me. It's something that serves to make humanity great, or as great as it can be, while it wallows in things that are also base.

Hyena 02-07-2011 02:14 AM

I'm thinking that its brought people up with a sense of entitlement, so that they don't notice a noble gesture when they see one. Something I've been struggling with in the past few days is my roommate Joel, who is a half-decade younger than I am. Where I missed out on being effectively raised by the Internet by about two years, he was pretty much brought up by Google (due to his parental figures being, according to himself, neglectful and incompetent.) As a household, we've been sharing the grocery bill evenly for three years, but Joel has only been living with me for about a year as a subleaser for another roommate. Well, things got a little shifty in the past few months and I told him the other day that he would have to pay for his own groceries because he hasn't been paying his share and now owes me $1000. He threw a fit because he felt that he was entitled to being included in the groceries. So instead of it being a gesture of trust from me to allow him to be a part of the groceries for a year, it was a punishment of his right to partake of our food.

Something delightfully primal about it, really. If a member of the tribe fails to provide for the rest, and in fact causes more trouble (alerting other tribes of their presence... -cough-COPS-cough-) then said member of the tribe is ostracized. Simple social laws apply, as far as we've come as a race...

One day I'll do an anthropological study on people at Walmart. Of course, I'll never be able to publish it. I would get sued.

I think that the Internet is a double-edged sword: on the one hand its much better at engaging the mind than television (studies have shown that surfing the internet activates more of the brain) and allows for information to be out for everyone. But on the other hand, it makes people feel that everything should be instant and free: TV, movies, information, education, music. Its harder for someone whose life was spent in chat rooms to accept that some things need to be earned.

Cardinal Biggles 02-07-2011 02:25 AM

Yes, it's all too easy now-a-days. The things we were meant to do become an effort. How is that we have been so far removed from our ancestors?

I'd read that study. Maybe you could publish it anonymously. Perhaps through the website peopleofwalmart? Oh, I do love a bit of anthropology.

Hyena 02-07-2011 02:34 AM

Its kind of interesting. Joel is the same age as the girl that he was subleasing for, and you can see the similarities just in a five-year difference between people who were raised with Google and people who were raised otherwise. I mean, I'm not saying I'm a saint. I have bouts where I'm horribly lazy and just don't want to do anything. But I still do things required of me: I cook, clean, work, take out the trash. (And when I work, I work HARD. My back is killing me from a few nights ago and I'm very much ready for a day off.) But those two are so introverted that its become an uphill battle to get them to do anything that isn't sitting at their computer. Or smoking pot. Or drinking. Escapism has become so readily available that it prevents people from being inspired by it.

I was thinking that if I write it, it'll be anonymous and I would have to call it something other than Walmart. Probably Really Really Bigmart.

Speaking of which, now is a good time to get ready for work. Last day before I have three days off. Somewhere in the middle of that... I'm going to pop the question. xD

Cardinal Biggles 02-07-2011 02:37 AM

I don't suppose we will see you much, then. Best of luck, once again!

ljosberinn 02-07-2011 02:08 PM



On the subject of being scared of tentacles but still drawing them everywhere, I do that too. I have a massive phobia for being in water, largely due to fear of creatures in the water, so seeing big tentacles freaks the shit out of me. But I still draw them on everything. I do not know why.

On the subject of the internet, I mostly agree with you guys. It's far too easy to get anything you want nowadays without having to work for it at all, which is bad because people don't know how to handle it at all, but good in many ways as well, as long as you know how to take the middle road in it. I like downloading music and movies and things, but if I really appreciate the work behind it, love the final product itself, etc. I will buy the hard copy as soon as I can afford it. But in the meantime, we've become quite used to having entertainment readily available everywhere, so I use downloads for the stuff I can't afford buying. Mind, nowadays I can't really afford to buy much at all that isn't necessities (though I still bought the new Star Trek film.. it was on offer!)

But really, I am an Internet addict, and I will admit it. I feel uncomfortable when I haven't checked facebook and my e-mail in two days (unless I am busy having an amazing time, for example travelling or at festival parties, etc.) and I check those two, my webcomic subscriptions and possibly a couple of other things depending on how early/late it is as soon as I wake up in the morning, as well as soon as I come home. Even while sitting in my bed reading, I'll usually have my laptop open in front of me and check my e-mail every few minutes. :/

Then I think it is a most brilliant invention, easing communication throughout the world and making it so much easier for your voice to be heard, no matter what your opinions! A true country of free speech, really. It's just that I think people still haven't quite learned how to use it in an ideal way.



Hyena 02-08-2011 07:51 PM

Information being freely available for the public is GREAT for everyone. The downside is that it creates a sense of entitlement. >_____>



OMG TODAY IS THE DAY!
o_O

I want to look my best. Is my mustache on right?

Cardinal Biggles 02-09-2011 01:48 AM

You look dashing -brushes lint off your shoulder and sends you on your way-
thanks for reviving the thread for me, btw.

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So, I find it interesting in and of itself that I am reading a history of the popes at the same time I an watching (or rather, rewatching) a mini series on the history of atheism.

Hyena 02-09-2011 03:46 AM

SHE SAID YES! =OOOOOOO


I'm a firm believer that the pope encourages atheism.

Cardinal Biggles 02-09-2011 04:04 AM

YAY

Congrats :hug:

It almost seems like the current pope would, things are getting so chaotic.

For those who are interested:
Atheism: Jonathan Miller's Brief History of Disbelief - Shadows of Doubt
I feel like I'm not paying it as close attention as I did the first time I watched it. There is a fear in me that I am not able to digest lofty works the way I once was.

Hyena 02-09-2011 04:16 AM

I seem to recall a time when he was pushing for masturbation to be considered a sin in its own name, not just filed under "lust."

Every single one of my friends was horrified. o_o

Cardinal Biggles 02-09-2011 04:18 AM

Haha. He just seems to be... all over the place. He needs better handlers.

Cherry Who? 02-09-2011 06:23 AM

Congratulations, Hyena!

That video looks interesting, Biggles. I'll need to watch that sometime when I'm not about to go to bed... Wait, why is it that I'm always about to go to bed when I see a link you posted? I swear that isn't a phony excuse. :lol:

Cardinal Biggles 02-09-2011 06:33 AM

It's best to be fully awake for it, so I will let it slide. I hope you find yourself more focused than I was. It really is worth it.

Oh, hurrah. Something on opera is on.

Cardinal Biggles 02-10-2011 03:02 AM

-complains-

Cherry Who? 02-10-2011 05:57 AM

Of? Is your lumbago acting up again? Bursitis? Arthritis? Elephantitis? Christopher Titus?

Cardinal Biggles 02-10-2011 06:04 AM

I put something for my mum on my account because she doesn't have paypal, and, thinking it went through, paid my bills. But it hadn't yet gone through, and now I am overdrawn.

Hyena 02-10-2011 06:06 AM

Oh, LAME. o_o

I've done that before. >_>

Cardinal Biggles 02-10-2011 06:06 AM

Yeah, she's going to front me some money, but I am still a bit unnerved.

Hyena 02-10-2011 06:12 AM

My bank charges $40 for overdraft per transaction. I made the mistake of learning that when I didn't have access to my bank account for a few days. >___>

Cardinal Biggles 02-10-2011 06:13 AM

Yes, they charged me a fee as well. Gah.

Cherry Who? 02-10-2011 06:14 AM

Oh man, that sucks, I'm sorry. :gonk:


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