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Old 08-31-2015, 04:38 PM

Here we'll read what Jesus actually said. Not what someone else says he said or meant.
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If u haven't sat down& read the gospels, then pay attention.

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Old 08-31-2015, 05:14 PM

Jesus Wept

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Old 08-31-2015, 05:32 PM

That's the shortest verse in the Bible.

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Matthew chapter 7 : 12
Jesus says, do unto others as u would have done unto u. This is the law& the prophets.
This statement like all his statements ends w a period.

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U know, I have a group by this same name on fb.

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Old 09-01-2015, 04:59 PM

Though, as you know, I don't believe in a Superior Being,...I do believe that Jesus lived...
I'm just not so sure that he was always quoted so correctly.

I will still stop by and read....
I think this is a good topic....I know lots of people who claim to be Christians who don't behave very Christian-like....they could use a refresher course on what Jesus was all about! !

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Old 09-01-2015, 06:05 PM

Believe he was god in the flesh ( I do) or not.
His gospels r great.
If u r a Christian, then Jesus trumps everything else, what's more, he never contradicts the Old Testament.
Jesus said, think not that I am come to destroy the law. I am come not to destroy, but to fulfill verily I say not one dot of the law shall pass away before all things r made new.
If any man breaks the least of the commandments he shall b called the least in the kingdom of heaven.
Notice that he said in heaven. That's because salvation comes of grace.
Jesus went on to say, but he who obeys the law shall b called great in the kingdom of heaven.

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Old 09-07-2015, 02:01 AM

Why do you not believe in God, Inzanebraned? Did the heavens and the earth create themselves from nothing? It seems logical to me that this creation would require a creator.

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Old 09-07-2015, 12:51 PM

Mr wrong, I've talked to Zane many times about this.
Like so many lost souls she's the victim of organized religion.
So was I. But in my case god came after me.

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Old 09-07-2015, 12:58 PM

i think religion/belief in God is a very personal thing =3

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Old 09-07-2015, 02:24 PM

I agree with hummy

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Old 09-07-2015, 08:13 PM

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Mr wrong, I've talked to Zane many times about this.
Like so many lost souls she's the victim of organized religion.
So was I. But in my case god came after me.
God did the same thing with my father. Only in the past year or so has he related to me his story of how he came to Christ.

It is unfortunate that the Christians whom Zane encountered acted less than Christian. Their regret is that they relinquished an opportunity to share with her the goodness of God. I know that I have failed in the same regard too many times myself.

To hummy and salvete: Christianity is simply your personal relationship with Jesus Christ.

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Old 09-07-2015, 08:39 PM

i agree, Mr. Wrong
i'm just saying it's a very personal thing
some people find it early, some lose it along the way
and hopefully they find what makes them happy and loved

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Old 09-09-2015, 04:37 AM

"Behold, God is great, and we do not know Him. Nor can the number of His years be discovered." Job 36:26.

This verse just struck me as being quite powerful.

hummy, have you ever read the book of John?

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Old 09-09-2015, 08:36 PM

Faith may b very personnel, but Jesus told us, his disciples, Christians, to go forth&peach my message.
Where ever u r not received shake the dust from your feet when u leave. It will b better for the men of Sodom than for him who offends the least of these, my little ones.
Or, in modern English, u go tell people about me. If they don't listen, walk away. I'll take it from there.
Also, the point of this thread isn't what u think or feel about god.
It's about what Jesus actually said.
Like for instance, Jesus said, what do ever u would that men should do unto u, do u even so unto them. This is the law&the prophets.

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Old 09-10-2015, 01:07 AM

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Faith may b very personnel, but Jesus told us, his disciples, Christians, to go forth&peach my message.
Where ever u r not received shake the dust from your feet when u leave. It will b better for the men of Sodom than for him who offends the least of these, my little ones.
Or, in modern English, u go tell people about me. If they don't listen, walk away. I'll take it from there.
Also, the point of this thread isn't what u think or feel about god.
It's about what Jesus actually said.
Like for instance, Jesus said, what do ever u would that men should do unto u, do u even so unto them. This is the law&the prophets.
I like to inquire as to why people do not believe in the existence of God. To me, there can only be two reasons with those being that they do not know of the Gospel or it's just plain old rejection of God and his word.

People often cite all the injustices in the world as a reason not to follow God's because who would want to believe in a God that would allow or even cause such calamities to befall mankind such as wars, disasters, disease, abject poverty and so forth.

What they have never been taught is that Satan is god of this earth and has been since Eve partook of the forbidden fruit. It is because of this sin, or rejection of God by not following His commandments that we are allowed to experience the chaos that Satan takes joy in bringing.

When we reject God, He steps aside and bad things begin to happen.
An excellent example of this was Moses leading the Jews for 40 years in the wilderness. God did this because He was rejected. God delivered the Jews from Egyptian slavery and what did the Jews do? They made a golden calf to worship while Moses was away. This is rejection of God.

God then made them wander the wilderness for 40 years until the generation that rejected Him died and then the offspring of that generation could move into the Promised Land. As you know, the offspring of those who created the molded calf also suffered. So, when bad things happen to "good" people it is because we are living as a collective and this sin harms us all even if this sin is not our own.

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Old 09-10-2015, 01:27 AM

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When we reject God, He steps aside and bad things begin to happen.
If this is the case, then the existence of God is a nonissue. Even if he does exist, such a God does not deserve my respect.

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Old 09-10-2015, 05:12 AM

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If this is the case, then the existence of God is a nonissue. Even if he does exist, such a God does not deserve my respect.
Do you believe that you can serve two masters?

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Old 09-10-2015, 08:02 AM

I don't see how that's relevant.

Whether God exists or not doesn't matter if I have no intention of respecting him in the first place. If he's so petty and spiteful that he'd hurt his own children because he doesn't like their choices, then he's no father, he's a egomaniac with superpowers on a power trip. The mindset that we should be respecting- loving- anyone who uses abuse (or "bad things" if you want to play with euphemisms) to manipulate us into acting on his morals would be considered unhealthy with any other human being- God doesn't get excused from the same standards of decency and healthy relationships because he has power or because he created us.

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Old 09-10-2015, 03:34 PM

Ego manic? Lol... I meant to talk about Jesus here, but in the book of Isaiah, god said, does the pot shard say to the Potter, what makest thou?

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Old 09-10-2015, 05:04 PM

I understand that your Hangout's primary purpose was to discuss the teachings of Jesus, but Mr. Wrong asked an open-ended question about God, which is what I came to answer. Sorry if I hijacked your thread or anything- That wasn't my intention.

But creating something doesn't make you its master for the rest of its existence. This is even true of nonliving things- Even patents expire after a few years. And this is especially true of people- You may give birth to a child, you may guide that child, but you can't mold it and control it. And if your child following their own path as opposed to one you laid out for it, stone by stone, makes you love that child any less- They you have no right to call yourself that child's parent.

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Old 09-10-2015, 10:48 PM

Relax di. It's all good.
See, Jesus was god in the flesh.
He lived one life as a flesh& blood man.
Teething, skinned knees, thirst, hunger, grief at the death of a friend or relative, getting older.
29 was old in the Roman world& Jesus was crucified at 33.
So, he made it easier for us.
Faith. We r saved thru grace by Christ, our end of the deal is faith.
See, this is our world. God put us in charge. The horrors in this world r our own doing.
We are free willed creatures.
Jesus teaches love, faith, forgiveness,
So many people believe lies they've been told r Christ's teachings.
That's where this thread comes in.
BTW, Jesus loves u too. Go ahead. Get a Bible, or even a New Testament & start reading in Matthew chapter 1 verse 1.

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Old 09-11-2015, 12:40 AM

If God or Jesus loved me, then he would accept me regardless of what morals or paths my personal life experiences reasonably led me to believe in. If he is so petty that his love and my life are given to me on the condition that I worship him and follow his teachings even if I have good reason to find them unfair or insensible, then I don't feel that he truly loves me or is worth respecting.

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Old 09-11-2015, 06:19 AM

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I don't see how that's relevant.

Whether God exists or not doesn't matter if I have no intention of respecting him in the first place. If he's so petty and spiteful that he'd hurt his own children because he doesn't like their choices, then he's no father, he's a egomaniac with superpowers on a power trip. The mindset that we should be respecting- loving- anyone who uses abuse (or "bad things" if you want to play with euphemisms) to manipulate us into acting on his morals would be considered unhealthy with any other human being- God doesn't get excused from the same standards of decency and healthy relationships because he has power or because he created us.
What I mean by asking if you can serve two masters is that it seems to me that you want to have it both ways in that if God did create you then you should be able to do as you please and never be condemned.

That simply can never be true. How can you expect God to create mankind and not give him any rules to live by? Man needs laws to live by or we become as animals.

I once was angry with God and believed as you did equating God to an almighty egomaniac. But the more I thought about it the more I began to realize it wasn't true. I realized that God gives us free will to either serve him or to reject him. If God were an egomaniac then mankind would merely be dancing marionettes and he certainly wouldn't tolerate any competition from some silly devil.

When I was angry with God, I cursed him for my situation because of violent abuse during my childhood and many other unsheltered events in my youth. I asked myself how it could be that a God who loves us and is indeed supposed to be love itself ever let this abuse happen to me.

It all comes back to the sin of man. Back to what happened at the garden of Eden. Since then man has sinned and sinned again. All this sin has caused mankind to live in a collective of sorts. For example, Bob sins by drinking to excess, drives, then kills or injures someone in a car crash. As you are well aware this sort of incident occurs every single day.

Then I asked myself why would God, the God who is love, ever allow bad things to happen to us? Over the course of many years and listening to what others have to say, I figured it out. I heard I pastor reply to this question with: "What makes us think that we are so good or innocent?"

We have all sinned and have come short of the glory of God. This makes us all part of this sin collective. Speaking with my father on this issue, he told me that Satan is the god of this earth. Satan comes to steal, to kill, and to destroy. Because of this our world is cursed in some ways. We know that the weather is cursed what with fires, droughts, floods, hurricanes, earthquakes and so forth. The deserts in the middle east used to be lush. Now it is mostly barren and arid. There was the Hanging Gardens of Babylon and Lebanon used to produce great cedar trees. This is why the flag of Lebanon contains the image of a tree. A lot of ships in ancient times were built from those great lumberyards of Lebanon.

You might ask why would God put us here on such an earth as this. The answer is so that we may choose Him with the free will he has given us and to do His will. You may ask again what good is free will if my only choices are to either serve God or perish in hell. Why would one want to serve such a punitive God?

God does love us and has sent his son Jesus to die for our sins on the cross. When we serve god, he blesses us. He can make us whole. He can turn a bad situation for us into something positive. The list goes on and on.
We are promised eternal salvation if we believe on Him. The alternative is ending up in hell.

I dislike using hell as weapon and it shouldn't be. The Bible in the book of Romans says that "the wages of sin is death". And bibIical death is going to hell. I heard a pastor say that hell isn't where God wants us to go, but it's just where we go if we aren't saved.

I hope I have answered your question and many others. If not, the sermon on the mound continues.

As far as I am concerned, you have not hijacked this thread.

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Old 09-11-2015, 06:30 AM

If God created me, then I will do as I please, and he can do as he pleases. But if he would condemn me for choosing my own path, then I'm certainly not going to respect him for it. If I'm damned, I'm damned. But frankly, I'd rather be damned by God than damned by myself- If I would need to change who I am, ignore my good reason and feelings and the morals I formed through life experiences to take up a list of commands that do not resonate with me, then I would be betraying myself and lying to myself. I prefer my freedom to anyone's approval.

If God thinks that he's entitled to my obedience for my creation- If God would not only punish me but people completely unrelated to me because of my choices- then there's nothing I can do to stop him. But you can either be a father and good and benevolent OR you can damn people for their personal choices. Just because he created us doesn't mean he's exempt from this rule- I laugh at any religion that preaches love and forgiveness and the necessity of hell in the same breath

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Old 09-11-2015, 11:06 AM

Dys - I agree with you. One of the big things that makes no sense to me is that it seems that the christian god expects more of us than he is willing to do himself. He says to "turn the other cheek" and forgive our neighbor "seventy times seven"... even if our neighbor never apologizes or attempts to make amends, we are to turn the other cheek and not seek vengeance. And yet, if we mess up and offend god with our choices, we have to seek forgiveness or be damned. How come is it that god can expect us to forgive others who are unrepentant but demands repentance from us?

I have heard it all, too. I am the daughter of a preacher, I attended christian summer camps and retreats and was active in my youth group and I attended a christian university. I have read the bible from cover to cover, as well as tons of books written by christian authors. There is too much that just does not jive for me as I have lived and experienced things on my own out in the real world.

Yes, I know, this thread is about what Jesus actually said vs. how some christians have distorted it. Jesus, if he did exist, was a pretty awesome guy. He helped and loved everyone and would hate how much of christianity has become, doing awful things in his name. Honestly, I have even heard some believe he was one of the many incarnations of the buddah, and that even makes more sense to me somehow than being the son of yahweh - buddah was very chill... yahweh was very vengeful. Tell me which you think makes more sense?

I will respect your right to believe whatever you want to so long as it causes you to love your fellow human beings and treat them well.

I however do not believe that man without laws is as the animals. Take away the possibility of going to hell and the possibility of going to jail, and I still do not wish to rape, murder, or steal. What does it say about you that you believe that without the fear of punishment, you would want to do these things?

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