But the whole point is that it IS broken. :gonk:

Edit: /breaking

I don't know if I'd call it 'broken' but it's certainly due for a check-up. ;)

The problem with the bank idea is that you're getting something for doing nothing, and that goes against what the whole community stands for: earn your way through. It's why we have no starter sets or starter gold, and will likely never get them.

Monstahh: That is your opinion and you are entitled to it, but this thread has shown that a lot of people disagree with you and want things to stay the way they are, so you should not state your opinion as fact. ^_^'

I feel the event commons system is great. I would not be opposed to more shop updates or to the idea of sale days, that several people have proposed, even though random sales might lead to the same hoarding situation we have now. *shrugs*

I'm really wondering what the heart of this issue is: The slow exchange? The gold hoarders?

For either of those problems, the answer doesn't seem to me to lie in the event commons. I would say that the best answer lies in revamping the exchange into more of a live marketplace as several people have suggested. I understand that the expense of doing so may be prohibitive. The hoarding is going to happen and I don't see much way around it. I also don't see any problem with it. *shrugs*

I do think that doing a grant button for the EIs (like the caroling from the most recent event) would be a huge help in freeing up gold for the exchange and also allow new and/or casual users to get the EIs despite their lack of funds. It could be a once a day or once a week grant to limit the number of EIs that flood the site.

Not to forget that the thread that inspired this whole discussion, is Bartuc's thread in regards to the slow exchange.

Yeah, but why are we even having this discussion if nothing was wrong? =O
I don't think people are just making up the problem. I've been in the exchange. It's slow, very slow.

I think the heart of the issue is the fact that older items are so rare, and that there aren't a lot of new members sticking around long enough to make gold to stimulate the exchange.
And semi-older users (like, users like me who joined in 08/09 who don't have all the items already) that are spending most of their money on commons instead of the rares that keep the economy churning. It's not just "one" issue, it's a combination of several all at once that are causing a stand-still.

I personally don't like the idea of a "live marketplace." All it did to gaia was depersonalize the marketplace and make is SO much easier to artificially inflate things.

I do like the caroling, but I also feel like because we could do it once a day, we ended up with a *LOT* of the caroling EIs. I don't want to see another Easter Egg incident. :gonk:

I really really miss the event currencies. Those are my favorite events.

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Yeah, not completely broken, but something is acting a little wonkey fersure, and it should be checked out.

Actually, what sparked this wasn't specifically Bartuc's thread.

For many of the last several event feedback threads, users have complained that there were "too many commons" or that they couldn't get as many commons as they wanted and it made them sad and made them feel like giving up.

Then there was a discussion in the staff forum where the subject of too many commons in the event store was brought up.

This has been brewing awhile, so when I saw it come up in that thread and many people seemed to support it, I thought it was about time to address the issue with the whole site and not just act on the feedback and the passing comments of a few staff members when we were addressing a different issue.

I don't really get it when people complain about "too many commons" because they don't have a chance to buy them all...

I mean, no one's forcing them to, and it's not some sort of competition...?

With fewer commons at half price, it would be easier to <ahem> catch 'em all so to speak especially event commons. I really don't chat much so it makes the gold I win playing games that much more valuable to me and I don't want to blow my gold on one really expensive item when I could possibly get two items that have been halved.
I must say though that the assortment of items is impressive and having more options leads to more customized avitars.

Yeah but they're on sale during events. If we wait 'til after the event they'll be twice as expensive, you know?
So it kindof is.
Though think of it more like marathon, then a boxing match. :3

A marathon was the best comparison I could think of. :sweat:

But if we limit the amount of commons, they won't even be up for grabs. xD

But there will still be a lot. It's not like right now I or most people can afford them all anyway. =/
I always end up really frustrated during events because I can't buy all the commons that I want. o 3o There are just too many amazing commons, and too little gold in my wallet. And I'm a pretty active user too, I think.

But why would you want to buy them all at once? Are you even going to use them all? And even if the amount of items were decreased during events, won't there still be new items shown outside events in the shops at full price? How will you be able to buy all of those if you don't even want to spend half-price for stuff in the events? :sweat:

I also can't afford a lot of stuff and I'm sure I'm less active than you monstahh but that's why I'm guilty of hoarding gold, so I can afford what I want when I want. And that's usually during events :yes:

Sorry for my misunderstanding, I assumed it was because of this post from Bartuc's thread:

I'm starting to get confused, because Bartuc's thread is specifically related to the exchange. Where as this thread is and isn't LOL ... I understand this issue only from the point of how it affects buyers in the exchange ^^;;

I don't honestly purchase event commons anymore with pure, because I can't manage event commons + questing.

Edit - It's getting quite daunting looking at the feedback in terms of the exchange related effects, and non-exchange related effects. Exchange and non exchange seem to be drawing lines, and i'm curious if this is assisting in working towards some sort of resolution or not...

Say that there is someone who could buy all the commons they want at any given event. Why would you take away that option for them?
In the end, my point is that you're just giving yourself grief for not being able to purchase them...it's something that should personally be dealt with, not by asking the staff to take away the goodies.

(but that's just me.)

If it's a problem that people are hoarding gold because they're afraid of the prices for the event commons, how about lowering the price of the commons a little bit more during the main part of the seasonal event? Instead of half off commons, perhaps letting them go for a meager fourth of the full price ( because they ARE seasonal and only bits of the outfits can be used during other parts of the year ), then put them up for half-off for perhaps a week after the event ends to help those that are late to the party? Afterwards, it would go back to being full price.

Now, the only real problem I can see with this solution is the sell back values. People could by the 75% off commons and sell them back for the 50% of the full price, earning them a free 25% difference.

Would it be too detrimental to the event commons to have them sell back for 25% of their value? Or would that require too much effort?

Sorry that's probably not of much help, it's just what I could think of at the moment. :3 I'm not very active here, but I'd like to help out if I can!

I don't even think the point here is about trying to get all of the commons. I sure don't want all of them. But with fewer, there would be more time for our pixel pixies to work on other things.

The fact that it will be a bit easier for more users to be able to get all of the commons during an event release is just an added bonus. I'm not one of them though; these last two events I've not been able to come close to a whole set of something I wanted. The last time I did that was when the wrap skirts were released, and beyond that I got very, very few items (and mind you, that's when we had event currency still; had it been for pure I probably would not have been able to get the set).

I think that there should be an event, but there needs to be fewer commons at half-price. I try to save up a butt load of gold, then I spend it on some commons and EI's, but I end up not having enough for some of the commons, or the EI's. And when more commons come out and I like them, I don't have enough gold to buy them, so I have to try and get more gold, which is a pain.

This is what my post was talking about. :yes:

I completely agree with you, Winter.

I remember one of the assistant admins saying during the first phoenix orchid jubilee that they thought it was selfish for users to feel like it was their right to get all the commons during an event.

This was why we had commons currency during events taken away from us so much.

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I would definately go with fewer items at half price. It is always so hard to choose that one item to splurge on, so I think it would be helpful to have a limited selection. :O

I know it's probably been repeated but i like this idea because they have a point I know i hardly got ANYTHING from the last event. because im not a big talker, i know shame on me cause this is a forum, but with it moving as slow as it is, and with my 'off again on again' hours because of hospital appointments, I tend to not have a lot of gold to begian with, i do become majorly active during events, but having little gold means i get very few of the items. so maybe having the 'EVENT' items and then the ones that are just normal common's being released seperately like the event items during the event, and the new commons in little groups after wards to get peoples interest int he game back up cause really, having only a few release dates means less interest, people come to these types of sites for UPDATES, not really to talk they come to see what new items are out. and such so even if i had to buy a new 'update' on commons at full price I'd rather do that when i know I have the time then during a event at half price where im just overwhelmed at all the items. because frankly i can't make that much money that fast. and yes i know this probably makes no sense but it is me so yeah..

This would be majorly, majorly exploited, and would flood the economy with way too much free gold.

But see, at least half of what we get are re-colours, and I think someone said earlier that it's sort of a volunteer job, to take an item and recolor it. The pixelists aren't even working on recolors.

So less items doesn't mean more time.

/highfive.
I feel like this situation is kind of a "take away the chocolate so I can't see it, or else I'll eat it!"
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But the main issue is that spreading out items wouldn't make them 50% off. xD That's just the event thing.

I've never had enough gold to get all I wanted, but halloween and FoWN have really made me depressed. XD; I barely had enough for the EIs, so I only got a couple commons from either.
I've never really been a gold hoarder (maybe 5-10k if I can manage) or a big common-buyer, but even I notice how difficult it's getting.. lol. As in, there are more items, and overall they're more expensive. Of course, there are always cheapies like the mustache and the neverending supply of hokey earrings... but that's beside the point.

Less items would be great.... *Wonders why the option to have them full-price is there because I haven't seen anything explaining why it would be beneficial*