The title says it all.

I was having a conversation with someone the other day about unicorns, she doesnt believe they ever existed, but I on the other hand believe they did/do.

What are your thoughts on unicorns? Do you believe they existed? Do you think unicorns are just some ploy to trick people into buying fancy toys at the store?

If you don't believe in them explain to me why that is.


:3

I believe at one point, some kind of creatures we can't explain today may have existed several hundred or even a couple of thousands of years ago. Whether it's unicorns, dragons, or a mix of other creatures, the myths behind them had to come from somewhere.

Hmm, my teacher made a good point in my Biology class when I was back in high school, but it's now defective. He said something along the lines of, "If primates did evolve and turn into humans, then why today are they not evolving into humans?"
At the time, I did follow this, but now I am disagreeing because there are strains of bacteria that are evolving and becoming a hindrance, like the H1N1 virus. I honestly believe for something to exist and evolve, it takes hundreds of years or many centuries. I do believe that unicorns may have once existed but something changed in their DNA or something. There are a link between birds and dinosaurs where their scales evolved into feathers, as chickens/roosters are considered descendants of T-Rex's. I do believe dragons and many other fantasy creatures existed but they've just all changed over the centuries.

Dragons DO exist though, if you count things like water dragons and bearded dragons.

As for unicorns existing, it's not possible in the way they're portrayed in mythology but who's to say that a horse couldn't be born with a cartilage like horn? It is possible for that mutation to happen, though it would be rare. Unicorns in mythology would be awesome to come across in real life though. I love unicorns.

And still, all I hear is "Do you believe in faeries? I do!, I do!"
Oh well...

Originally Posted by Seridano

And still, all I hear is "Do you believe in faeries? I do!, I do!"
Oh well...

That was the saddest part of that movie v_v When Tink is dying


Is it bad that i consider dragons to be dinosaurs...just more awesome?
And im pretty sure no one can prove that unicorns didn't exist...unicorns were just that awesome that no bones were ever found

If you want to claim unicorns are in existence currently, you'll have to explain why no one has seen one and why we've never found unicorn carcasses, etc. If they existed in the past, then there should be something to support that hypothesis in the fossil record. As far as I know, there isn't, so if you make that claim, you'll have to explain that as well. If you claim something to be true, then the burden of proof is on you.

@dawn: Wait, your biology teacher used that argument? How can someone who lacks a very basic understanding of evolution be teaching biology? I'm sure you already know why that argument is flawed. The evolution of ancient primates into humans took millions of years. It would not be possible to see other primates evolve into humans in a lifetime or probably even a millennium. Chimpanzees, apes, orangutans, etc. still exist today because evolution caused a new species to form in addition to (not in place of) the existing one. It's called speciation, and since all living things evolved from one common ancestor, as you can imagine, it has happened a lot of times! But remember, the earth is very, very old, so major speciation events are not necessarily as common as I make them sound. But all living things are still evolving. We're not necessarily forming new species, but the genetic makeup of our populations is constantly shifting as we pass on our genes from one generation to the next.

@Vox

Yeah, he was new to teaching Biology and idk we just all got into an argument about evolution and I thought he was cool at the time sooo... @_@
Anyway, I do believe in magic, but it's just not really practiced and is all hush hush...
Now I sound stupid... ._.
I just never witnessed anything magical? I guess you could say, it would be pretty cool though! :D

@Vox
So i need to provide proof in order to say something exists?
Well that there is flawed

Unicorns? Who knows? it is possible I believe, because horses are kinda related in a way to the cattle type of mammals, (mammals that have hoofs), like cows and deer.
But horses that have wings?(Pegasus). Nah, no way. Genetically, I do not find that possible. It's like saying that human beings once had wings.

I know people who do believe... but me personally .. I really don't think they do.

I should have probably added to my answer. Unicorns are not just a "horse with a horn". They are a chimera so it would be impossible for them to exist for that fact alone. But as I said, a horse can be born with what seems to be a horn or develop calcium or cartilage deposits that resemble a horn.

Originally Posted by Mystic

I should have probably added to my answer. Unicorns are not just a "horse with a horn". They are a chimera so it would be impossible for them to exist for that fact alone. But as I said, a horse can be born with what seems to be a horn or develop calcium or cartilage deposits that resemble a horn.

I think your mistake a chimera is a completely different species. Chimera's are made up of a lion, snake and, goat.



So i dont see what this has to do with a unicorn

I personally don't, but that's cool if you do.

Originally Posted by Zombie Pixie

@Vox
So i need to provide proof in order to say something exists?
Well that there is flawed

Yes?

Well, not necessarily absolute proof, but you would at least need to provide some solid evidence. For instance, we haven't proven that gravity exists, but we have so much evidence that we can consider it a truth. If you want to consider the existence of unicorns a truth, you need evidence.

I don't understand why it's flawed. It's basic science.

So since you want some kind of scientific evidence that something exists...prove to me that god exists, any god for that matter.
I mean there is no evidence what so ever that these gods ever existed, but that doesn't stop people from worshiping them now does it? People shouldn't have to provide proof just because they believe in something, believing in it is what makes it real.

I'm telling you what you said is flawed because it is. You cant go around demanding proof of something, just because you don't want to believe that it could be true just because someone else believes it. It's the power of imagination, I mean you wouldn't go around telling someone that the tooth fairy isn't real? Or that its not really Santa that leaves the presents under the tree.

The human mind is a magical thing, if we believe it to be real, it is. Plain and simple. We don't need to provide you with proof.

I bet you were the kid who sat there and said "i dont believe in fairies" during Peter Pan when Peter was trying to save Tink v_v

I said something here, but I decided not to,and.. I cannot delete my post, so. Ignore this heh

Originally Posted by Mogwai

I said something here, but I decided not to,and.. I cannot delete my post, so. Ignore this heh

You shouldnt delete it silly o.o
We dont bite

Originally Posted by Zombie Pixie

So since you want some kind of scientific evidence that something exists...prove to me that god exists, any god for that matter.
I mean there is no evidence what so ever that these gods ever existed, but that doesn't stop people from worshiping them now does it? People shouldn't have to provide proof just because they believe in something, believing in it is what makes it real.

This is exactly my point. You cannot prove god exists. You can worship god and believe in god all you want, but that does not make the objective statement "God exists" a true statement.

Originally Posted by Zombie Pixie

I'm telling you what you said is flawed because it is. You cant go around demanding proof of something, just because you don't want to believe that it could be true just because someone else believes it. It's the power of imagination, I mean you wouldn't go around telling someone that the tooth fairy isn't real? Or that its not really Santa that leaves the presents under the tree.

I certainly would go around saying those things. I honestly don't see the point in telling children that Santa or the tooth fairy are real only to have them find out later that they aren't. I understand that it's fun, but there are other ways to have fun with your children. You don't need to lie to them.

Originally Posted by Zombie Pixie

The human mind is a magical thing, if we believe it to be real, it is. Plain and simple. We don't need to provide you with proof.

Okay. I believe that you are a three-eyed toad named Dwight who lives in my sock drawer and has psychic powers. It's true. Plain and simple. So Dwight, what are my lucky lottery numbers? And don't say your powers don't work that way; I believe they do.

There is a problem with your claim that belief is what makes a thing real. You see, the existence of a thing is an objective matter. The statement "x exists" is either objectively true or objectively false. If belief makes something real, then all gods and creatures of myth simultaneously do and do not exist. You simultaneously are and are not my pet toad Dwight who will help me win the lottery. How can we ever hope to understand the world if everything is simultaneously true and false? We have to use our observations and experiences as evidence to show us whether something is true or not. We can make no progress in understanding the world (as is the goal of science) if we have no way of determining what is real and what isn't.

Originally Posted by Zombie Pixie

I bet you were the kid who sat there and said "i dont believe in fairies" during Peter Pan when Peter was trying to save Tink v_v

Lol I've actually never seen Peter Pan... But no, I can appreciate a good fantasy. I watch Game of Thrones pretty religiously and I don't sit there and go, "pffft dragons aren't real". I just remember to keep it separate from reality, that's all.

Id like to know where you got the idea that i even said unicorns existed?
I do believe i said i believe in Unicorns..and now your going off on some kind of rant on something that i never even said

Yes i believe in unicorns. Yes i believe that people believed they once existed. So again i will say this... provide you with evidence? get over yourself, I mean really. Holy cow.

There is a problem with your claim that belief is what makes a thing real. You see, the existence of a thing is an objective matter. The statement "x exists" is either objectively true or objectively false. If belief makes something real, then all gods and creatures of myth simultaneously do and do not exist. You simultaneously are and are not my pet toad Dwight who will help me win the lottery. How can we ever hope to understand the world if everything is simultaneously true and false? We have to use our observations and experiences as evidence to show us whether something is true or not. We can make no progress in understanding the world (as is the goal of science) if we have no way of determining what is real and what isn't.

Just wow..

And how dare you say you would crush a poor child's dreams, by telling them santa isnt reall! Rude

Originally Posted by Zombie Pixie

You shouldnt delete it silly o.o
We dont bite

Because I don't want to get involved with the last 2 replies on this thread. XD

Lol why's that mogwai?

To people who say that you need proof that something exists, I say Devils Proof. Just because you don't know how something works doesn't mean it doesn't. I've never seen an atom, but I can't say that they're not out there.

I don't really believe in unicorns. I dunno why... I believe in magic, ghosts, and the Lock Ness Monster. I believe mythological dragons once existed, but either died out or evolved to something that we see as natural.

Yes. Narwhals. The Unicorn of the Sea... :3

Vox and I have a special friendship in the making :3


@Poet
lol unicorns of the sea