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Arousal 10-13-2007 04:28 PM

Abortion and your views on it.
 
So there's a lot of different opinions concerning abortion, some people think it should be illegal, others think it's fine as long as you have a good reason.
I'd like to hear your views on abortion.

I personally think it shouldn't be that big of a deal as long as you have a good reason.
Examples:

A woman who got raped should have the possibility to get rid of child if she really doesn't want it.

A twelve year old girl can't take care of herself let alone a child.

A woman whose life it at risk if she carries through with the pregnancy.

Now if someone was too lazy to use a condom or birth control pills, there should be a limit to getting abortions, because yes, some people do get them very often!

So, what are your views on the subject?

Also to make something clear:
Abortion is NOT murder.

The law says that murder only goes for people who are alive and born.
So as long as it's a fetus, it does not count as murder.

charis_mae 10-13-2007 04:37 PM

I think even in the case of "laziness" it should be allowed. A child should not be used as "punishment". The choice should be left up to the woman.

Arousal 10-13-2007 04:39 PM

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I think even in the case of "laziness" it should be allowed. A child should not be used as "punishment". The choice should be left up to the woman.

I guess it is, but it's sad that so many people don't get a chance to experience life just because some people don't want to take the effort to prevent getting pregnant.

Connie 10-13-2007 04:40 PM

I don't care about the reason, it should be allowed, and it should be respected as a choice even by people who disagree with it. I think it's terrible that people feel the need to involve themselves in such a personal and private choice. I feel very strongly on this subject...

Nissa 10-13-2007 05:20 PM

I'm fine with it as long as it's not taking the place of a condom. Abortion isn't birth control, it's a last resort.

charis_mae 10-13-2007 06:02 PM

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I think even in the case of "laziness" it should be allowed. A child should not be used as "punishment". The choice should be left up to the woman.

I guess it is, but it's sad that so many people don't get a chance to experience life just because some people don't want to take the effort to prevent getting pregnant.

The problem there is, I don't believe the fetus is a "person". Not during early pregnancy, anyways. I don't think abortions are such a good idea later on, but I still think they should be allowable for physical and mental health reasons...and unfortunately, the line gets kind of blurry when it comes to mental health. Carrying the baby and then giving him or her up for adoption might not be something one woman is able to deal with, while another woman can't and decides to abort the baby instead.

avicat 10-13-2007 06:18 PM

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I think even in the case of "laziness" it should be allowed. A child should not be used as "punishment". The choice should be left up to the woman.

I guess it is, but it's sad that so many people don't get a chance to experience life just because some people don't want to take the effort to prevent getting pregnant.

The problem there is, I don't believe the fetus is a "person". Not during early pregnancy, anyways. I don't think abortions are such a good idea later on, but I still think they should be allowable for physical and mental health reasons...and unfortunately, the line gets kind of blurry when it comes to mental health. Carrying the baby and then giving him or her up for adoption might not be something one woman is able to deal with, while another woman can't and decides to abort the baby instead.

Agreed.

I'm completely in support of abortion. It's the woman's body and her choice if she's able to care for a baby sufficiently or not. And who are the one making laws for abortion? Old men. When have they ever had to deal with the decision to give up your child or not? When have they had to sit down and decide if they were emotionally or financially ready for something that's growing inside of them? If abortions were made more easily available in terms or locations, safety and price, I'm positive we wouldn't have as many mothers killing their children, leaving their babies in dumpster, or abused kids in the United States.

I saw a pin once that read 'Keep your rosaries away from my ovaries!' Quite true ;)

Spatterdash 10-13-2007 06:42 PM

Abortions are going to happen whether it's legal or not. If it's banned, the rich will travel to countries where it's legal, and the poor will go to backstreet operators, where there's a high risk that they could suffer horrible complications. Debate over foetusses aside, safe and legal abortion saves lives.

And anyway, I don't believe a foetus is a living being. It's kind of a grey area between about 20 and 24 weeks, and it's hard to know where to set the limit, but abortions that late are very rare, and usually only done because carrying on the pregnancy would seriously threaten the life of the woman.

So, yeah, keep it legal. It's for the best. And, gawd, if someone slips up and forgets contraceptives, they shouldn't be forced to become a parent - casual sex isn't something you should be 'punished' for.

Sparkle 10-13-2007 06:43 PM

I disagree with the idea of abortion. I find it to be an awful pratice, but much of the reason why people want to have abortions is because of poor desicions regarding sex. It is unfornate that children must be involved in such a thing, but it just isn't fair to the child to pay for the actions of a, most likely, irresponisible mother. For that reason, I am pro-choice. Nobody should be able to dictate what women do with their bodies. I believe abortion is morally wrong, but it still should be legal.

avicat 10-13-2007 06:46 PM

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I disagree with the idea of abortion. I find it to be an awful pratice, but much of the reason why people want to have abortions is because of poor desicions regarding sex. It is unfornate that children must be involved in such a thing, but it just isn't fair to the child to pay for the actions of a, most likely, irresponisible mother. For that reason, I am pro-choice. Nobody should be able to dictate what women do with their bodies. I believe abortion is morally wrong, but it still should be legal.


If the mother is regarded as 'irresponsible' for getting pregnant, how well of a mother will she actually be to the child she was forced to keep because the abortion was deemed 'immoral'? Sometimes it's the best option in the long run, for the mother and for the child who could have had an awful life if it was kept.

Spatterdash 10-13-2007 06:52 PM

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I disagree with the idea of abortion. I find it to be an awful pratice, but much of the reason why people want to have abortions is because of poor desicions regarding sex. It is unfornate that children must be involved in such a thing, but it just isn't fair to the child to pay for the actions of a, most likely, irresponisible mother. For that reason, I am pro-choice. Nobody should be able to dictate what women do with their bodies. I believe abortion is morally wrong, but it still should be legal.


If the mother is regarded as 'irresponsible' for getting pregnant, how well of a mother will she actually be to the child she was forced to keep because the abortion was deemed 'immoral'? Sometimes it's the best option in the long run, for the mother and for the child who could have had an awful life if it was kept.

I'm gonna say it again: why should you be punished for having casual sex and/or being forgetful?

That's the thing about the anti-abortion movement - I have a feeling it's often less about the lives of unborn children, and more about keeping women in their supposed place.

Sparkle 10-13-2007 06:55 PM

That is why I am pro-choice. It is in the best interest in the child, not to be born, as sad as that sounds.

AkashaHeartilly 10-13-2007 08:16 PM

http://www.menewsha.com/viewtopic.php?t=4367

There is an Abrotion topic already going in place. Just a little hidden though. My opinions are stated there.

avicat 10-13-2007 09:40 PM

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I disagree with the idea of abortion. I find it to be an awful pratice, but much of the reason why people want to have abortions is because of poor desicions regarding sex. It is unfornate that children must be involved in such a thing, but it just isn't fair to the child to pay for the actions of a, most likely, irresponisible mother. For that reason, I am pro-choice. Nobody should be able to dictate what women do with their bodies. I believe abortion is morally wrong, but it still should be legal.


If the mother is regarded as 'irresponsible' for getting pregnant, how well of a mother will she actually be to the child she was forced to keep because the abortion was deemed 'immoral'? Sometimes it's the best option in the long run, for the mother and for the child who could have had an awful life if it was kept.

I'm gonna say it again: why should you be punished for having casual sex and/or being forgetful?

That's the thing about the anti-abortion movement - I have a feeling it's often less about the lives of unborn children, and more about keeping women in their supposed place.

As much of a feminist as I'm actually not, I have to agree. I think a lot of people view it as a punishment more so than a hardship. A lot of women actually say having an abortion was the hardest decision they've had to make, but in the end they felt it was the best option for themselves and also the unborn child.

Ayla 10-13-2007 10:51 PM

I think abortion should be allowed because as you said, there are many situations in which a woman is unable to raise the child or she accidently got it from a reason that is not her fault (example: rape, no education, etc.)

Some people say that abortion kills a life, but I find that if the child is born from a parent who is unqualified or not ready for him or her, then that child will have a miserable life. The child might get put into an orphanage, and although some are really good at caring for the orphan, it's still not the same as a loving and caring family.

A woman who gets pregnant because of her forgetfulness or irresponsibility is something totally different, but we can't punish those who got pregnant and it's truly not their fault just because of them.

scatterheart 10-13-2007 11:22 PM

For everyone who's saying that abortion should only be used for the "right" reasons: Who gets to decide those reasons? Would you want to live in a country where someone told you that you could only get an abortion if they thought it was for the right reasons?

I believe abortion should be available for anyone who wants one, regardless of their reasons. Telling someone they need to carry a baby to term because you don't like their reason for not wanting to is ridiculous. A pregnancy should not be considered a punishment, nor should giving birth, raising a child, or putting one up for adoption.

Bodily integrity is one of the most basic human rights. No one should be judged on whether they're worthy of it.

Revvi 10-13-2007 11:36 PM

I think that Abortion should be allowed. It's the choice of the mother. The world is overpopulated with humans as it is anyways. Also, I personally don't recall even a second of when I was under 2 years old. From experience I know that as a fetus you really don't feel anything. xD
And here's my reply to one of your views:
A 12-year old girl who is pregnant because she didn't use protection is just as at fault as a woman who didn't use protection. I beleive both should have the right to get rid of the baby.

charis_mae 10-14-2007 06:57 AM

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Also, I personally don't recall even a second of when I was under 2 years old. From experience I know that as a fetus you really don't feel anything. xD

Not remembering doesn't mean you didn't feel. Babies react to pain and smile at the sight of their mother. Though their ability to remember isn't developed, they can still feel.

Whether a fetus can feel or not is another issue, but how much you remember from before you were two is irrelevant.

s w e e t & SPLENDID 10-14-2007 03:43 PM

Truthfully, its the woman's choice. It's her body, it's her baby. Even if abortions became illegal, doctors would still perform them. And would be worse for the mother, considering they probably aren't real doctors.

Syrinx330 10-14-2007 04:36 PM

See, I am all for the CHOICE to be able to do it. The choice should be left up to the individual, in my opinion, because not everyone is going to have the same view on it. If someone is against abortion, fine, they will never have to choose that then, but their beliefs shouldn't limit someone else's choices.

I understand why a lot of people are against it. There are many people who abuse the privilege, and that gives the whole concept in general a bad name.

juniper_silver 10-15-2007 04:47 AM

I am for abortion when the mother wants it, but it needs to be done within a reasonable amount of time. If the child is developed enough to feel pain, it is too late.

It doesn't really matter what the mothers reasons for not wanting the child are...she doesn't want the child and that should be enough to convince people that she shouldn't have it. There's no point in putting a child into a situation where it will be hurt/unwanted. The situation isn't so simple that you can just "teach the mother a lesson" by forcing her to have a child she doesn't want. Far more people will have to suffer than just the mother.

juniper_silver 10-15-2007 04:51 AM

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Bodily integrity is one of the most basic human rights. No one should be judged on whether they're worthy of it.

Good way of putting it. I couldn't agree more.

Nissa 10-15-2007 05:09 AM

I'm pro-choice. Reasoning? A woman who is willing to kill a baby either has no other option or would make a horrible mother to begin with. I would hate to see what kind of child comes from a woman who would use abortion as birth control, and I'd hate to damn a woman with a child she couldn't/wouldn't care for because of an extreme circumstance. The only reason I'd ever have one would be if it would be the death of me (I have 2 children who need me) or if they would die regardless.

Noyin 10-15-2007 10:26 AM

Its a personal choice nothing more nothing less. Is horible that people pretend they have the right to tell a lady what to do with her own life.

Mitsuko-sama 10-15-2007 05:33 PM

I think abortion is alright. Morals are always playing a role in how people think, but as many people already stated, the consequences of not having this option available are not pretty for both mother and child.

People argue that by having an abortion, a woman is killing another being. Scientifically, babies start out as a zygote and do not officially become a fetus until a little while. Before that period though, a woman is carrying something that has the potential to become a human being.

And that is where the problem lies. Some argue that once a child is conceived, it is not a zygote or however you would like to label it but a human being. Even though that tiny little being is only one cell then two, etc. Yes, conception is a miraculous moment but - as many have mentioned - what will this possible child be born to if the mother was raped, unprepared, etc. for a child?

The choice/option of abortion should always be available to a woman because the resulting child if there were no abortion could be born into an unwelcoming environment. Not to mention the desperate measures a woman may take in order to prevent the birth of a baby.


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