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Posting Traced Works Allowed in an Art Community
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You know I had been thinking about writing a thread about this. It is just so aggravating.
DeviantArt has no right to give artists permission to post copied works. I've seen the Mods there say again and again that their lawyer said they could do this, and they simply will not listen to anything that the user have to say about it. I loved the recent poll that questioned where tracing should be placed and if it should only be used for stock photos. It seemed like they were getting somewhere, and then the new issue mentioned nothing of where they were going with this, just that the people who were against tracing were wrong. I love DeviantArt I really do, but they really have on idea what they are doing. They think they are just going to get away with a warning? Please. I heard a story about a daycare that got sued for painting Disney characters on their wall. Disney would have a field day if they ever decided to go trouncing through DA. Ugh. I just wish the Mods would listen to how stupid they are being. |
Not only do they have no right, they are being very snarky about it. It is completely unprofessional, and they have yet to say exactly how this is good for the community when everyone is so angry about this decision. I am very tempted to somehow boycott dA altogether, except that I am at a point where I need their print system (college tuition is awful that way).
I am very tempted to send a letter to the United States Copyright office to ask about the situation while trying to be nice and not mention any names. I would have been okay with it had the tracing been only from stock photos, but this is just aggravating. Oh, I forgot to add the part about the fair use law. I should edit my post. |
They are being completely snarky, basically telling us that we have no idea what we're talking about. Half of the DA community has been to an art college, we've been taught about CopyRight laws and we know this is in no way legal.
I wonder how you would go about reporting something like that. I want them taken down. Everything that does not have permission to be up needs to be taken away! I hate how most of the community wants tracing cut down but they still won't do something about it for a few deviants who don't know how to be creative like the rest of us. I'm kinda glad I've never invested in DA, they're just making me too mad. |
Sadly, I've invested in dA ^^; It's awful knowing I've financially supported a website that can't abide by the law.
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That sucks =(
I don't care if tracing is an art, because let's face it, no one wants a (possibly) horribly mauled version of their creation claimed as someone else's. Though I think it's not so much the addition of this policy, (which won't affect the community too much since 99.99% of these tracers are talentless idiots, who won't be noticed) as deviantArt endorsing tracing/'art theft'. To trace means "to copy by putting a piece of transparent paper over it and following the lines which show through the paper with a pencil", and I really don't see how that helps any artist in any significant way. I mean, any kid can trace. What makes the artist different from any random kid in this case? Though perhaps I should be glad it's only allowed on deviantArt =/ ? |
Well, I can't say much about the learning process of tracing. Years ago when I was little I used to trace Pokemon, but I didn't show them to everyone and claim that the artwork was my own. But DA is endorsing it like it deserves to called a piece of art. That makes me so mad.
Unfortunately the reason why it has become such a big deal on DA is because people are getting attention for it. Members are taking screenshots from popular anime and vector tracing them and then feeding of the pageviews it gets them, like even takes any effort to copy these things. :( Even if they want to copy art for practice they shouldn't be putting it on the web. It's not their orignal art and it's illegal. |
Usually, if you tell artists at tracing is looked down upon in the art community and give them a good critique they will come to. When I was younger I did a paint over I was proud of, and once someone pointed out it was bad I never traced again.
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Well, the girl tht I'm thinking of on DA deletes every message she gets against her tracing work. She does not listen to reason.
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Are we talking about someone with a Vampire-related username here? >_>
I actually don't recall tracing anything, which would explain why my early works look as scary as they do. I did, however, copy part of a picture. I was told it was wrong, and never did it again. And of course I removed the image. It was not respectful to the original artist to keep the image in my gallery. They offered to let me keep the image up there, but I just didn't feel right. What are people going to learn if the largest art community on the net is allowing tracing? |
Vampirella, yea, her. >(
When I was little I traced Pokemon, and copied art from the Zelda guidebooks. Then I stated drawing my own stuff and the difference was so obvious. Still, I always knew it was wrong, I would write on the picture that it was copied so that people could tell the difference when they flipped through my sketchbooks. They're only going to learn how to break the law. They'll think that in order to be a popular artist, you need to copy popular work and sell it. Their all going to grow up and paint illegal copies of painting and sell them on ebay for millions. |
I think tracing it self is not wrong, it is just one of the ways to learn, yes, agree. (Well, well, in the whole wide world, more than thousands and thousands of people tracing naruto and such and such... the original artists can't be suing all of them. XD)
I am a selfish person, I don't like people copy my things without my consent... same with homework and art. And worse, show it to others in a way that is so vague that the people who look at it thought the person is the one that drew all of it. I am not so sure about copy right laws, the way the dA stff changing the policy is contradicting with the expectations of mass users. I agree that it is part of the owner's responsible to report any suspicious traced works, BUT since they are the one that loosen the policy, they SHOULD have a kind of system to prevent things like this instead of hoping other users to support them when they are not happy with the decision. Besides... that sounds like to me... making art theft legal. I never really like dA though... DX |
I have a Deviantart account. It has no drawings or anything; I only use it to PM artists when I find that someone else has stolen or copied their work. Isn't it sad that that account gets used regularly only for that purpose?
And now dA ALLOWS its users to copy drawings and post them as their own. This is too absurd for words. |
It is pretty sad that you have to use the account solely for that reason D8;
I think you should still tell the artist, though, because deviantART said that, supposedly, if the artist doesn't want their work traced and then put up, they can tell deviantART staff and they will remove it. |
I saw that on Deviantart and I was very very upset. I don't know why they would allow tracing to be considered art.
Everytime I have seen Sailor Moon pictures up there from coloring books and re-drawn to look like their sailor moon oc's I was quite upset and though to myself, where is the originality in that? I'm sure most of you will agree that when you work on a picture from start to finish it takes like 4 plus hours at least. Then to have someone print that picture out, trace it and change a few things here and there is a BIG insult to me. I work very hard on my drawings and I don't want anyone to rip them off! Deviantart needs to re-think this decision and fast before it gets way out of control! :stare: |
I'm not crazy about it. I mean why present work that clearly isn't yours...IF it's going to be out there, credit for original artist.
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*sigh* Why would you even post traced work anyways? D:
It only focuses on your inability to improve yourself (just using the pronoun "you" here, not referring to anyone!) and your poor ethics. :\ |
Tracing is a good learning tool IHO. Passing it off as your work as your work is another matter.
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I was just discussing this with a very good friend of mine who is a DA artist when I found this thread XD. I am currently extremely overtired and she's just woken up, so its not the best of conversations in the world, but the points are pretty clear. I have her permission to post up the conversation - I'm Spirited, she's Aoi.
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i left the site a while back i found that there getting to be redicilious. But seriouslt there 'letting' people trace artwork? Thats not cool at all they dont have the right to do that its just un acceptable the only one that can say you can trace there work is the person that created the work.
i mean its one thing if your tracing to understand something better but to trace it cause you dont feel like trying to draw it is so stupid. the only way to stop this is a protest everyone should write a protest and sign it and if it doesnt work ditch the place for a week make them suffer |
I don't know about everyone else, but it seems like all the angry discussions about this on DA, I haven't really seen any traced works(at least not on the front page). Were the tracers getting flamed to death you think? I'm pretty sure tracing is still allowed.
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I never liked Deviant Art, and now I feel more justified in my opinion, which, I might add, I am constantly called out on in artist circles because Deviant Art is just so popular. -.-
It probably has more to do with their resources for policing every posting rather than philosophy, but still. |
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I still can't believe this is the case. I honestly can't. This is utterly ridiculous! If this isn't stealing art then what is it?!
For gods sake even NEOPETS recognizes this as art stealing. This is utterly ridiculous! This really makes me want to leave dA. Honestly it pisses me off to no end. I do NOT want any of my work traced. I work hard on my art and spend many hours practising and I do not want someone to just trace them! |
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