Originally Posted by Frog

I'm just going to butt in here and comment on something that you guys probably didn't think much of at the time...

But Cho Chang is not a bitch.

Yeah, listen to the Cho-haters gasp. But seriously, she doesn't deserve the hatred she gets in the fandom. I'm not going to go too in-depth, since I'm pretty sure she has nothing to do with Snape's alignment in the Really Dramatic Battle Between Good (Light) and Evil (Dark) With Absolutely No Shades of Grey, Because That Would Be Preposterous.

To be short[er than usual]: She's a teenage girl. She has hormones. Some people dislike her because Harry liked her, she was dating Cedric and then omg she liek ttly flrted wit himz, but... more than half of those people have done, or will do, the same thing. They'll be dating someone and think, "gee, that guy/girl over there is the hot stuff. 8)"

And then in the fifth book, they get mad at her for being weepy all over the place. Well, excuse me, but her boyfriend just died. If they weren't dating, then someone who considered her the most important person in his life died. Yeah, that'd give me enough reason to bawl.

Oh, and then she cried all over Harry. Yeah, look, if my boyfriend died and then I was experiencing feelings for the person who saw him be murdered, and I didn't know whether he was telling the truth or not because the newspaper was against him, and god, they were in a competition and maybe he just had it up to there and snapped and killed him -- do you get it, now? I'd cry while I kissed him.

I can't remember an instance where Cho was ever bitchy. Assuming that she was moody after the instance with Marietta... bros before hoes, dude. Just swap the gender and stuff. Girlfriends before boyfriends, you know? Friends > fling. If you gotta act like a bitch, well, okay then. Do your thing.

Just know you're gonna become one of the Most Hated Characters. :/

I don't like her. But I can understand where she's coming from. Now, I like Peter Pettigrew, but we're not going to get into that. My point is: try to get into a characters head, and usually, you'll be less willing to dislike them. I can understand where Umbridge is coming from, honestly. I've debated with people that I agree with, simply because I want to defend the person who I may dislike, but can understand where they're coming from.

Grumble grumble. Also, Harry/Ginny =/= good, imho. Reads like fanfiction. If I ever get a Really Scary Chest Monster, I'm going to stop eating dinosaurs and work on my attraction to the damsel in distress/best friend's sister. Ginny's not a DID? Think Chamber of Secrets. Plus, she's good at Quidditch and she looks sort of like his mother and she dated Dean Thomas and ooh, isn't that a great way to get back at him for something he didn't doo~? :D

But, erm. Sorry for going completely off-topic in a thread about Sev. I just couldn't help myself.

Also, MRA, I was experimenting with paint and drew your avatar. I'll get it to you eventually.

I totally need to go through that tomorrow morning haha. I don't know how Cho Chang, Marietta, and Ginny Weasley got thrown into the conversation though xD

Sarahblack: I really liked that article. I thought it was very insightful (and definitely full of things i never would have noticed about Snape) and while I do agree that it does have a lot of evidence that shows his pride, and the fact that he may want the respect he deserves, I don't know if I can fully accept that. I think he may want respect, and he flatters himself to think about it. But I still think he is working for himself. I don't know why. I just do. It's what I have had stuck with me since I read book six for the first time!

Frog- We know she's not really a bitch. She's just an easy character to hate in the HP fandom for putting Harry through so much after liking her so much. It's easy to exaggerate one's dislike for her.

Originally Posted by Frog

I'm pretty sure she has nothing to do with Snape's alignment in the Really Dramatic Battle Between Good (Light) and Evil (Dark) With Absolutely No Shades of Grey, Because That Would Be Preposterous.

I don't think anyone's referring to this as strictly black and white, if that's what you mean.

She's a teenage girl, but she gives some of us a bad name.. She shouldn't have treated Harry that way at all, and a lot of guys perceive girls that way only because we are built up to be horribly moody creatures who will tear boys to shreads. Cho's a perfect example. If she would have been thinking a little more, her and Harry could have broken up on a better note. Of course, Cho wouldn't have because that's not just how the book went. I love how the book went, but I'm just backing up why some people don't like her character.

No one blames her for crying a lot. (I don't.. I'd cry if mine died.) She just obviously wasn't ready to move on, and she dated Harry too quickly.

Cho's not bitchy, she was just confused. I overexaggerated my dislike for her character, and I'm glad you brought up those points.

Whaaat? Harry and Ginny is PERFECT. I loved the scary chest monster. lol. We all have our opinions.

thanks for drawing me. x) <3

Hey, seiki.

Originally Posted by Muggles Running Amok

I don't think anyone's referring to this as strictly black and white, if that's what you mean.

I didn't mean that specifically. I make fun of things that often haven't been said. It leads to some really awkward conversations, actually.

I haven't read OotP in ages (but I'm seeing it on the 11th, after school! Score!), so I can't remember how they broke up. You're probably right, but... I don't know. I'm sympathetic to everyone unless I'm arguing with them irl, and then I'm a fire-breathing monster. :D

I s'pose we do. I used to like Harry and Ginny, but then I was whacked upside the head with a frozen tuna and now I see clearly. The way I'm heading we'll get into some huge war though, so I'm gonna stop now. :lol:

Ohh, okay.

lol, I understand. I'm really argumentative. I sort of hate it, actually. I can't just let things go. It makes me really mad sometimes.

Muggles Running Amok said:

I read the article up to the point where the author talks about going into character analysis.

Ooh! You should definitely finish it, it only gets better. ;)
I think finishing the article would also help you see the whole respect thing better. It's not that he wants to be petted on the head like a dog, that would be totally out of character, it's more that he needs someone to know how important he is. It's not enough that he knows, he needs someone else to see it too. To admit that, yeah - Severus kicks ass. xD

I don't understand how it would be cheap if Snape was evil. It would be a good plot twist, I think. It'd teach us how nobody is perfect, and people make mistakes in judgment. JK could do whatever she wants with Snape, and if he turns out to be evil, I'm pretty sure she wouldn't make it out to ruin his character.

How is it a good plot twist if it's so obvious? personally it would be a huge let down if something happened to Snape that thousands of fans predicted straight off the bat. I don't even want my own predictions to come true... I want to be surprised! that's why I'd feel cheated if he turned out to be simply evil.

Seiki said:

But I still think he is working for himself. I don't know why. I just do. It's what I have had stuck with me since I read book six for the first time!

I totally understand that feeling. It's the same thing with me, but a different theory.

I wouldn't be as let down if it turned out he was working for himself, but still. It's something that's pretty easy to think of. I hope it's something that will surprise us all! :D

Thanks for paraphrasing the rest of the article. xD I guess that sort of makes sense, but not really. I see Snape as more independent than that. I don't think he really cares what anyone thinks. He just works hard.

Thousands of fans have already predicted that Snape's good & that Dumbledore planned it with him. That, I think, is what's too obvious. Maybe I'm just crazy or something. I haven't heard of a lot of other people who think Snape is evil, though. For the most part, everyone I know thinks he's good.

I think his good!!! I am not fanatic at Harry Potter but I like to see it!!!!!

Well, obviously, we disagree. xD I think the books are better than the movies, and it's hard to tell the whole story from the movies.

Originally Posted by Muggles Running Amok

Well, obviously, we disagree. xD I think the books are better than the movies, and it's hard to tell the whole story from the movies.

Agreed. They cut things out in the movies, and they don't always turn out how I imagine things.

OMG. May I just say that ORDER OF THE PHOENIX WAS THE BEST HARRY POTTER MOVIE IN THE WHOLE WIDE WORLD.

the end.

Continue Snape discussion. : )

I think Snape is on the good side..and playing the evil side..i think the only reason he killed dumbledore was because he "had" to do it..because of the unbreakable vow with malfoy's mother. it was to protect malfoy from any harm and since malfoy was assigned to kill dumbldore by voldemort and if malfoy didnt do that he would be killed..and since malfoy in the end could not kill dumbledoor this forced snape to kill him instead to complete the task so malfoy would not be harmed by voldemort...and Snape had so many opportunities to help voldemort and not Harry in the past and i dont care what his "reasoning" is for everything good he did..i still think Snape is a good person and not working for the dark side

XP In the 7th book, JK Rowling makes Snape's behaviour VERY clear, and says officially that he is bad/good. I won't tell anyone which XP But I'm happy that she cleared that up for everyone. I want to talk about it more, but I am stuck waiting until everyone else has read it before I can discuss, so it'll probably be another week before I can say what I want to say! x.x

• *Cackles* I've read the book, so I know. 8)
  To be honest, I wasn't all too surprised, but still. It was very good to get the truth about him.
  
  Elanifave, you can white-text whatever you want to say about Snape, I'll be here for a little while more, and if you aren't still here, I'll answer you later. Or you can just send me a PM, if you prefer. ;Ð

I just finished reading Deathly Hallows.

After I closed it, I went to my LiveJournal to read my reflective post of Half-Blood Prince. I already quoted some of it here, so please no one go looking back for what I said unless you've finished reading the book.

I guess the rest of my post would be better said in a TINY white color font, just in case.

After re-reading my HBP post in its entirety, I was glad to see I'd realized Harry contained a Horcrux and that Snape killed Dumbledore because he was asked. I held that character on such a high pedestal that if he'd actually been evil, I dunno what I'd have done. He was, beyond every other character, my favorite in the series.

I'm just sad that the series is over. x___x;

I suppose with the release of Deathly Hallows, there's no more need for this discussion. It was once and for all decided for us by JK Rowling that he is good, and that's all I need to know.

Hayhayhay, lol. I had no idea Dumbledore's hand condition would have caused him to die an unpreventable death within a year of him sustaining injury.

we all make book mistakes, I guess. I had some good arguments, though.<3

Thanks everyone for participating.

• I find that man to be so freaking creepy. He really seems to hate Harry if you ask me. What is is gosh darn problem? Ever since I heard of him I felt he was going to be sometime or later the bad guy. Then again guys who wear all black and have a cruel face aren't evil. Maybe she is trying to make us understand that with him. Haha.

(DEATHLY HALLOWS SPOILERS BELOW FOR THOSE WHO HAVE NOT READ IT! ><)

SEVERUS IS GOOD. >< Props to JK for fooling an entire world that he had been evil this whole time, especially with the whole problems he caused in HBP.

I was thrilled to hear the entire revelation of Dumbledore telling Snape to kill him, etc., etc.

Also, Snape DID actually comment that he had grown to love Harry in Deathly Hallows, if you re-read the course of his memories in "The Prince's Tale" while Harry is looking into his Pensieve. Dumbledore asks him, and he admits that he somewhat does. While this might be due to the fact that it is Lily's child and he loved her, it does show that he cares. Plus, his whole distaste and hatred/jealousy of James makes it so much more adorable.

I knew something was up with Sev and Lily when Harry saw into his mind in OoTP and she was defending him. (SHAME THEY LEFT THAT OUT OF THE MOVIE! ><)

Any way, I'm getting off on a tangent. Sev was my favorite character from the get-go, and now I love him even more after Deathly Hallows. Even if he's. . . well, yeah. T_T

BTW -- just realized this topic was made about a month ago. XD I guess the questions are answered then, for real, if you've read the final installment, eh?

Spoilers ~~ probably a ton like my post in the other HP thread in this forum, haha.

Ah, now that I've read the entire thing, I rather liked the seventh book as far as the whole Snape ordeal. I'm glad that at the end, I found out that I was right on a few accounts before, such as the fact that I believed that Dumbledore actually wanted Snape to kill him, especially considering that Draco wouldn't have been able to himself and upon reading the last book, both Snape and Dumbledore already had realized it, and Dumbledore knew exactly what was going on. I was a bit irked throughout because of the position that Snape had been in (at first with him blowing off George's ear, and then with him being given the headmaster position at Hogwarts when the Death Eaters and Voldemort were ruling over things. I kept stopping, scratching my head, and going "but wait, Snape IS good, isn't he? D: ". I refused to lose the hope that my prediction was correct and that he was indeed good, even though so many of my friends had thought the opposite.

Hah! I was so totally right! :D *does the "I was RIIIGHT" dance*

I believed in my gut instinct and was vindicated. Man, that feels good. Thanks J.K.R. I love you very much. :*

OI! SPOILERS! Look out belowwww!

YES! He was good. I feel really glad that he didn't betray my faith in him. I never could put an argument behind it, though, since it was mostly gut instinct and love for Snape. What a love triangle... I love Snape, Snape loves Lily, and Lily loves me. Well, sans the last part. lol
So yeah. GO SNAPE! GO SEVYKINS!
Et cetera.

... This is precisely why he's one of my favorite characters in the book. You don't know whether he's good or evil, and you don't see enough characters like that. His ambiguity is one of his good points.

Also, the hand-poison thing, I think Snape might have wanted Dumbledore to die an easy death instead of a painful, slow, over-the-course-of-a-year death.

MY POST HAS SPOILERS!!!!










I knew, deep down inside, there was nothing truly bad about him :3 I had a feeling he had a thing for Lily, and he had reformed from his deatheater days. I also thought Dumbledore was waaaaayy to smart to let someone fool him like that...I get the feeling a man like him has ways of knowing if somone is telling the truth. I was quite happy to know I was right :) and Snape was fooling Voldemort the whole time. However, my happiness was crushed when Rowling killed him off :x he was by far one of my favorite characters

Nuuuuu. -shields eyes-

Must... finish... book....
Ack. -100 pages to go-

I failed. I WILL BE BACK fOR THE CONVERSATIONNNN. -obsesses over HP-

<333

MY POST HAS SPOILERS!!!

Okay so I thought the book was good and everything and it was really neat and somewhat of a twist Snape was good, but at the same time I found it semi unbelievable...

I understand he had to act really bad in order for Voldemort to think he was on their side but some of the things he did I don't think were NECESSARY in order to prove where his loyalties laid.

The whole thing he had for Lily explains it a bit but at the same time I thought it was annoyingly cliche that it happens to be all out of love that he risked his life and everything for her, not even her, for her son, who was part of James. Who he made quite clear he hated. I don't know I thought... it was good but there were quite a few things that made it a bit unbelieveable.

I'll have to go back and read to see if she had put any clues in or something.