Well, what I had thought before I read Deathly Hallows was this: Dumbledore told Harry to just let whatever happens to him when they're trying to get the locket, to happen. And that could mean letting him die, if that were to happen. We all know that Dumbledore trusted Snape, and it only follows that he would have asked Snape, in order to keep his cover with Voldemort, to do whatever he has to do - including kill those he's actually associated with - including to kill Dumbledore.

Originally Posted by Tease

MY POST HAS SPOILERS!!!

Okay so I thought the book was good and everything and it was really neat and somewhat of a twist Snape was good, but at the same time I found it semi unbelievable...

I understand he had to act really bad in order for Voldemort to think he was on their side but some of the things he did I don't think were NECESSARY in order to prove where his loyalties laid.

The whole thing he had for Lily explains it a bit but at the same time I thought it was annoyingly cliche that it happens to be all out of love that he risked his life and everything for her, not even her, for her son, who was part of James. Who he made quite clear he hated. I don't know I thought... it was good but there were quite a few things that made it a bit unbelieveable.

I'll have to go back and read to see if she had put any clues in or something.

I saw in an interview with JK Rowling...she said that if lily hadnt have died, he wouldnt give a shit about harry. she said snape was a bully and selfish and only tried to protect harry cuz he was a reminder of lily? i guess that makes a bit of sense, but i think its a little weird that voldemort had NO idea snape wasnt really on his side!

I think Snape is about 60% bad and 40% good.

Dude, I totally didn't realize people were still posting. -comes back to thread-:D

Enniel- That's totally, totally what I thought. Seriously. xD After I read, I was just like, dood, he doesn't care, it was for Lily. and people were like, "NO, HE'S GOOD." I think the whole point is that he's good and bad, like what Taurus said, one of the many themes of the series.

I think Voldemort didn't know simply because he overlooks love, I guess. In whatever way, it's probably tied to that. & Snape, even though he's not the most lovable of characters, is really, really smart.

&& enniel, do you have a link to that interview? transcript or video? I need to show it to a few of my friends. : )

I think that's a very valid point, Muggles Running Amok. Voldemort just doesn't believe love is relevant. I didn't find the Snape twist that unbelievable or, indeed, that unexpected. Snape is certainly nasty throughout the books, but evil on his own? JKR showed us multiple characters who were far more evil than Snape, including Umbridge, in their treatment of Harry. Besides, Snape has no reason outside of Lily to personally love Harry. I'm sure all of his saving-the-day antics simply remind Snape of James.

Highlights from the chat are up on FictionAlley and can be found here. I'm sure Bloomsbury will have the entire transcript up in a day or two. <3

Thank you very much.

-sigh- I guess, now, I agree Snape being really "good" (as JKr says, a very very flawed hero) was probably the best way to go with him. Part of me thinking he was evil was bias, lol. I just don't really like him all that much, and I think Severus is a waste of a middle name. I wouldn't name my child after someone who hated me so much when I had done nothing to harm them, even if they were a "good" person. But that's Harry, mr. forgiving. I don't think Snape ever like, truly loved Harry. He may have grown to like him a little bit, but he was too jealous. When Dumbledore asks him if he had grown to love Harry, Snape just showed his patronus, which I think was his way of saying, 'Only because of Lily.'

And the transcript of the chat is on Mugglenet.com. I've already read it, and I was disappointed that Snape was not dwelt on as much. I still need to completely get over being wrong.

SNAPE IS GOOD!!!!!!

There's quite a lot more to it than that.
That's the whole point of Snape.
He was on our side, yes, but he was a "very, very flawed hero. an anti-hero, almost." in JKR's own words. He's interesting, he's a key example in the series that sometimes, there is no black and white. There's good and bad in everyone.

Yeah...I know....I just felt like going "SNAPE IS GOOD!"

</3 Uh huh.

*cough-hack-die*

Snape's good..;__; He loves Lily..He protected Harry! ;.; *Sob*

Why did Snape have to die? D;

He protected Harry only because Lily died for Harry, and Lily died for Harry because Snape gave the prophecy to Voldemort.

Snape died because Harry needed to realize that allies were dying for him in order to sacrifice himself at the end.

I don't think it's very sob worthy, to be honest.

I sweaur. I have always loved Snape. Even from the very beginning-- in the first book when everyone thought he was some evil loser or something.
I thought that the whole story of Snape protecting Harry because he loved Lily was so sweet. I loved that. I hate saying that "Oh man I'm right whooooo snape is gooodddd---" And that whole thing, I sortof wish it had come as a surprise, but to actually have a reason behind it instead of it just being SO was awesome. C:

WHoooo Harry Potter books. Cx

Meh. I'd agree with you if I liked snape.>.>

I don't think it's sweet, just... Well, he loved her. and he didn't want her to die for no reason, right? But then again, he's the one who told Voldemort the prophecy. So you COULD say that he wasjust making up for his actions because he felt horrible for turning in the family of the woman he loved.

Still, he was just protecting Harry because he didn't want Lily to die in vain. He was still a poopieface to Harry though because he was jealous.

Originally Posted by Flying Wings

Snape's good..;__; He loves Lily..He protected Harry! ;.; *Sob*

Why did Snape have to die? D;

*cries with you*

I cried like a baby when Hedwig and Dobby died. I didn't even like, shed a tear when Snape died because it was obvious he was going to die, whichever side he was on, and I personally don't think he's sob worthy.

Just since everyone else was giving their one sided opinions on Snape's death, I thought I would, too.

Originally Posted by Muggles Running Amok

He protected Harry only because Lily died for Harry, and Lily died for Harry because Snape gave the prophecy to Voldemort.

Snape died because Harry needed to realize that allies were dying for him in order to sacrifice himself at the end.

I don't think it's very sob worthy, to be honest.

I know ;-;
Aw. D:

I felt a stab in the heart when everyone died except for Bellatrix and the death eaters..>.> *Crybaby* T__T
Erica-Aww. x3

Originally Posted by Muggles Running Amok

I cried like a baby when Hedwig and Dobby died. I didn't even like, shed a tear when Snape died because it was obvious he was going to die, whichever side he was on, and I personally don't think he's sob worthy.

Just since everyone else was giving their one sided opinions on Snape's death, I thought I would, too.

Dobby was just too much! I thought I couldn't read any longer.

Sev was a good guy, sniffle- He didn't deserve to die! Dx Lily never loved him, he did. Aw....It's so heart warming and touching! Lord Voldemort, HOW COULD YOU KILL HIM?! Poor Dumbledore, I had a feeling his hand was the reason though...The withering-ness. Hedwig and Dobby died, I was so shocked! They meh favorite characters! Wahhh! And then Fred too! George isn't one without Fred!

I can't believe he was good!
I was so sure he was evil.
I almost cried when he died....almost.

Flyingwings- Mrs. Weasley killed Bellatrix. Remember?

Axel- I knoww. I never thought I'd cry so much over Dobby dying, but he saved everyone else, and Harry made them have the funeral and all... It was so nice. Perfect for poor, loyal little Dobby.. I'm starting to cry now, lol. Geeze.

Kitmew- Oh gosh. Another I love Snape post. Sorry, I'm sure you're a nice person, I just hate those posts. I think he was far from perfect.. No one except for absolutely horrible characters like Voldemort and Bellatrix deserved to die. So Snape didn't entirely deserve it. However, I think he was the one on the good side who deserved it most. He was a horrible, horrible man! He was a POOPFACE to Harry for NO good reason, jealousy does not justify prejudice, he was biased for Slytherin, he enjoyed being mean to others, he called Lily, whom he loved, a Mudblood, and he just was never nice to any one! JKR saiiiddddddd that he is a very, very flawed hero. Almost an anti-hero. The whole point is not that he "didn't deserve to die." or that "OMGZ. YAI. SNAPE WAS GOOD!" No. It's that there is good and bad in everyone, one of the whole huge major morals of the series. And, seriously, if Snape had been evil, and people were posting, "OMG YAI. SNAPE IS EVIL." I wouldn't be one of those. I would be sitting here typing the same thing about how there's good and bad in everyone. You can't love someone and be completely evil at the same time, and he never got over Lily.. My point is, whichever the outcome would have been, it's STILL not just black and white when it comes to Snape. and I'm very sure that a lot of people acknowledge this. I just, ugh. I don't like one sided OMGZ POOR SEVERUS posts because they make me feel all ...wrong. & what I just ranted about. goodandevil, blahblahblah...

I had no idea Dumbledore's hand would have absolutely killed him. That's so sad. I thought he could be saved, which was one of my main points on why I thought Snape was on Voldemort's side. But, I said that a good explanation from JK Rowling would be fine with me for proof that I'm wrong, and I got what I asked for.

JK Rowling said something that made a lot of sense when someone asked her why Hedwig died. She died the night Harry turned 17, and it made him that much more grown up. I'm paraphrasing here, but she said something about how Hedwig had almost been Harry's cuddle toy throughout his childhood, and now he's an adult.

Dobby needed to be a hero, methinks. He just loves people too much!
My friend told me Fred was going to die before I read the book. I told her I didn't wnat to know who died, but 2 seconds later, she said, "is Fred the dad?" and I was like, "OMG. NO." I started CRYING. it was so much sadder in the book, though. And, technically, George isn't one. Not a whole person, anyway. He's missing an ear. x) So he isn't one, and he's without Fred. You're TOTALLY RIGHT! lol.

Cassiopeia- Meh, me too. D: At least you didn't make a thread about it to announce your WRONG theories to the world. Oh well.
It was so obvious that he had to die to prove himself. He can't be "good" any other way. So I saw it coming, I just didn't know Voldemort was going to kill him. I would have thought Harry'd do it in rage and then realize, "OH MY GOD. NO. HE'S GOOD." or something whenever he found out... If that would have happened, lol, then he would have been justified in naming his kid Albus Severus. But I mean.. Come on. The dude hated you, he only loved your mom, and you're going to name your son after him. =/

I'm so glad that it turned out that Snape really was on Dumbledore's side the entire time! It would have been way too easy to have him turnout evil.
Yes, Snape was flawed, and yes, he acted very unfairly to Harry... but how can you blame him (this much) when he had so much terrible history with his parents? Harry's father, James (who was never really redeemed after Snape's tale...) put Snape through hell when they were younger, and Harry's a mirror image of him. Then his mother, the woman who Snape had feelings for all his life, Lily, turns around and marries James.
Harry's a walking reminder that Lily chose James over him.

Was Snape really expected to cuddle and celebrate Harry as soon as he got into Hogwarts?
Snape's actions towards Harry for the past seven years can't be justified, but it's understandable why he detested Harry so much.

Snape's death was so anti-climatic... but I enjoyed how JK didn't reveal that he was Dumbledore's man until after he was dead.
I can't say that I felt the same way while I was reading the book though. I was frustrated while reading of his death that JK never explored his past more, never told more of his story... but after looking back at it I'm glad she chose to reveal his true allegiances after he was dead. It came off as more of a shock that way. :)

As for Harry... I think JK should have just killed him off, as much as I do love him. The entire chapter with him and Dumbledore really didn't rub me the right way. He was so prepared to die, why couldn't she have just had him die?!

And as for the epilogue... I'm pretending that never even existed.

I'm kind of partial to Deathly Hallows... I liked parts, but I wasn't fond of others.

I'm sorry, I rambled on a lot more than I was prepared to! xD

I was surprised to read about all his memories and how he really was on their side the whole time. It was a bit heartbreaking to see how Lily broke their friendship, but at the same time they weren't very compatible and anything they would have had probably wouldn't have ended well.

And although he was very harsh on Harry, he never outright harmed him. And yeah Harry was a living, breathing, James lookalike that probably stung at his heart and reminded him of everything most likely. The scene of Snape crying over the page of the letter with Lily's signature just tore me.

I'm not a huge Snape fan, but I felt he should have had a better death or something. I wasn't surprised that he would have died, but I was surprised and happy to get to see a lot more to his character that we didn't get to experience in previous books, although we've had small hints.

@ Muggles Running Amok: I think it was sooooooo so so generous of Harry for putting the funeral for him. Through all the things Dobby has done. When I first read about Dobby I thought he was evil or something - but he became such a huge part of the series.

@ ALL:What did you think about Tonks and Lupin dying? I thought it was horrible I mean they just had a child!