Loved it!! Not the movies -__-

What "X-Men" did you love? Claremont on X-Men was fantastic, practially everything he touched up until his first departure was gold.

X-Men: The Animated Series was great, although the animation itself varied from abover average to horrible at times, but it was very "adult" in its tone ... didn't talk down to the viewers much. Some of the plots got mangled ... I weep at how watered down they made Proteus.

What didn't you like about the movies? I thought the first two were excellent, but the third one was far to campy and light on plot.

And of course: who's your favorite X-Man? Mine's Nightcrawler, by far. Who doesn't love the fuzzy elf?

I love X-Men, I liked the movies okay. The cartoons were fun. My favorite X-Man has to be Shadowcat. <3

*high fives Momus* Kitty ROCKS! She's probably my number 2 or 3 X-man. Definitely top 10 ... Cyclops is up there (comic Cyclops, not whiny boy movie Cyclops), and of course Wolvie (although I think he's way overused and they should kill him off or send him into exile or something for a while. I used to have such a crush on her and Jubilee when I was growing up, hehe.

=O X-men is my favorite comic after Frank Miller's Batman.

I have every issue up to AoA when I stopped collecting due to monetary issues. xD Haha, I wasn't a huge fan of the movies either, Rogue being my favorite character ever. I hated what they did to her, hated Anna Paquin playing her... ugh. Not good. And the third movie was just moronic. They should have let Singer do Superman and wait to release the last two movies instead of scrapping the scripts and making stuff up on the fly.

"Wolvie" is the reason they didn't put Gambit in that last movie, although they PROMISED Gambit (he's my second favorite <3). They said he was "too much like Wolverine" and they "didn't know how to do special effects for his powers."

Dude, the cards explode. It's not that hard. :roll:

Singer had plans to switch the emphasis from Wolverine to Gambit and Rogue, but he never got the chance to. They canned Singer so there goes Gambit, because the studio wanted to focus on Wolverine. Which isn't a bad idea, because if you're not going to do Rogue and Gambit, you do Wolvie.

I wish they would have focused less on Rouge being angsty in the last movie, and even more on Wolverine (since there was no Gambit :evil: ). I agree with you, I hated Anna Whatsherface playing Rouge, and I hated the way Rouge acted in the last movie. :evil:

I always thought Gambit was overrated. All image and attitude, no real character ... he's all about a "dark secret from his past", which always turns out to be something of a letdown "oh, he killed his lover to save his brother; oh, he led the Mauraders down into the Morlock caverns BUT HE WASN'T BEING EVIL, HE WAS JUST HELPING A GUY NAMED MR. SINISTER LEAD GIANT MEAN MUTANTS INTO A SECRET AREA." (Sorry, I never bought the bullcrap where he helps the Mauraders and Mr. Sinister, but acts like he was innocent of what was going to happen).

Anyhow, I understand the mystique (no pun intended) behind the handsome, flirty foreign guy with the accent, but Gambit rarely adds much to the story, apart from his charm and relationship with Rogue. The only exception was the crappy X-Men: The End, where he played a significant role. Actually, his story was ironically the only part I really enjoyed.

But yeah, it's a shame that some of the mutants they cameoed in X3 are so stupid (like the Spike/Marrow wannabes, Callisto (good stories with her, stupid character), Porcupine Kid, Arclight) when Gambit could've been added. But hey, they didn't do anything with the characters they had ... Beast and Angel were totally wasted.

What they SHOULD'VE done was to have waited on the whole Dark Phoenix crap. They should've had two major plots for X3 ... one with the Professor, Magneto, and Scott out looking for Jean and dealing with finding her, dealing with her strange new attitude and powers (not having her as Dark Phoenix, just Jean acting tweaky and out of it) while Wolverine and Storm take the X-kids (Colossus, Rogue, Iceman, Gambit, Jubilee, Kitty) on field trip to Muir Island where the X-kids have to face trial by fire against ... Proteus (yeah, I've kind of got a thing for him. His story just rules). That would've worked so well, especially if they had Wolvie act like they did in the comics and get paranoid and unsure of himself when faced with Proteus's powers and that would've give the X-kids time to shine and give Wolvie something more to do than snarl and hit things. Plus, Magneto, Charles, and Scott together would make an interesting dynamic.

Ah well, maybe they can turn it around if they do a fourth movie. Just keep Brett Ratner off of it. He's the Joel Schumacher of X-men. No. No wait. At least Ratner can direct action, if ONLY action. Schumacher can only do suspense, and he can barely do that.

Ah, I am a Gambit fangirl. He is kinda a Gary-stu, but I like them none-the-less. We all have our guilty boy/girl toys.

The cameos were pretty ridiculous. They just made the story that much more ridiculous/annoying. But I guess there were just too many characters to introduce.

And the Angel story-line was pretty superfluous. He didn't add much to the story, either, when he had so much potential. Same with The Beast, and I admit that Kelsy Gramer did a good job in my opinion.

There was something else I was going to mention, but I forgot. ^^;;

Mmm, the X-men movies were okay. I'm probably the only person n the universe who preferred X-3 over the others. Why? I dunno. It just felt more open and fun than the others. But then again I dislike Bryan Singer's directing style to begin with, so that makes me biased. The first one was fun, though. IT HAD TOAD. <3

As for favorite... Hm. When done right, Magneto is amazing beyond all belief, but it's too easy to get him wrong and make him retarded. If you're counting X-men only, I say Cyclops. He's fun. Got a tree rammed too far up his arse, but he's fun. Especially in Astonishing X-men. <3

I also like Northstar, when he's not being mopey and finding eight million variations to say "HAY. GUESS WHAT? I'M GAAAAY~" I liked him back in the Alpha Flight run. He was such an arrogant prick. It was too cute. It was like Pietro with flying powers to boot.

And as much as I like Wolverine, I have grown rather tired of him over the past few years. It's like you can't escape him, no matter what series you turn to.

They brought Angel in because they were going to do Apocalypse. Which would have been HOT. My favorite storyline after the original Dark Pheonix saga.

Gambit is definitally fangirl fodder. Don't downtalk Remy unless you don't mind having your eyes scratched out.

How is it that I didn't know they were going to do Apocalypse?! That definatly would have been hot.

I remember what I was going to say in my last post...I think a good point the movie had was at portraying how scary/amazing Dark Phoenix's powers were. I got pretty scared about what she did to the Professor, etc. ^^;;

Also, best line in the movie: "Do you know who I am?! I'm Juggernaut, BITCH!" I found that hilarious (though I don't know if it was intentionally funny).

http://youtube.com/watch?v=C9O7JB9proM

^ Source of the "I'm the Juggernaut, BITCH!" line. Ratner was such a fan of that movie that he put it in as tribute. Funnier than all hell. xD

Well, Singer never confirmed, but they were more than likely going to do the Mutant Island angle, with the Sentinels and all that good stuff and introduce Apocolypse at the end. It's the only thing that made sense since they were bringing in Gambit in the third movie and the fourth movie was supposed to contain a huge villain.

Originally Posted by Alegretto

http://youtube.com/watch?v=C9O7JB9proM

^ Source of the "I'm the Juggernaut, BITCH!" line. Singer was such a fan of that movie that he put it in as tribute. Funnier than all hell. xD

OMFG.

That is effing awesome. Thank you for sharing! I'm still laughing.

"But I'm the Juggernaut, biiiiiiiiitch!" xD

They had some other kickass parodies, but youtube banned the original group for reasons that currently elude me. Juggernaut's their most famous, though. And with good reason!

Originally Posted by Alegretto

Mmm, the X-men movies were okay. I'm probably the only person n the universe who preferred X-3 over the others. Why? I dunno. It just felt more open and fun than the others. But then again I dislike Bryan Singer's directing style to begin with, so that makes me biased. The first one was fun, though. IT HAD TOAD. <3

As for favorite... Hm. When done right, Magneto is amazing beyond all belief, but it's too easy to get him wrong and make him retarded. If you're counting X-men only, I say Cyclops. He's fun. Got a tree rammed too far up his arse, but he's fun. Especially in Astonishing X-men. <3

I also like Northstar, when he's not being mopey and finding eight million variations to say "HAY. GUESS WHAT? I'M GAAAAY~" I liked him back in the Alpha Flight run. He was such an arrogant prick. It was too cute. It was like Pietro with flying powers to boot.

And as much as I like Wolverine, I have grown rather tired of him over the past few years. It's like you can't escape him, no matter what series you turn to.

Kinda curious what you don't like about Singer's style. I've found every one of his movies (even the disappointing Apt Pupil ... such a cop out of an ending) to be directed with a great focus on the characters and a distinct visual flair. Certainly, he's no filmmaking god, but I found his X-Men movies to be much better than average. In fact, I'd rank them second only to Batman Begins in terms of superhero movies. He's not a fanboy director, so I am disappointed with some of the cuts he had to make to keep the story tight. X-3 was too polluted with meaningless action while the story was nebulous in its intent. But that's a whole other post.

I wasn't much of a fan of normal Northstar for the reason you described, but I am digging Ultimate Northstar. He and Colossus are rather adorable together. I just wish Kirkman would get his act together and plot things out more instead of just cranking out plots that end up like a grandfathers senile ramblings. Or else they should bring back Millar or just make Bendis churn out another comic a month.

And yes, Wolverine is getting more than a little stale. They need to take him out of the running for a while and either seclude him to his own solo books or, like I said above, "kill" him off for a few years. Civil War was the perfect opportunity for that. I mean, Colossus was getting tremendously stale when they killed him off, but they killed him off right and then they brought him back perfectly and now he's better than ever.

I never liked Singer's directing style because everything felt so.... confined. I can't quite put into words the way I dislike his work, but watching X-men made me feel like I was crammed in a tight box with the entire cast. The fact that we only ever saw about 7 or 8 people made it feel worse. It was just the major characters interacting with the major characters. No time for the minor characters. Weird reason, yes, but that's just how I feel when watching his stuff.

Hrm. That might inspire me to pick back up on Ultimate X-Men again. I dropped it because they kept pulling out ridiculously retarded shit and messing with the characters to the point where it hurts (ie. Gay Colossus), but hey. If they do it well, I'll be glad to look into it again.

Mmm, Millar. I love the stuff he does in the Ultimate Marvel-verse. He would make me get back into Ultimate X-Men.

Noooo, don't do that "killing" crap. Marvel does it enough as-is. Confining him to his own series sounds good, or just make Scott/Xavier/whoever the hell is running the school put him on some well-earned vacation. He can... go on a road trip! Or something.

Originally Posted by Alegretto

Hrm. That might inspire me to pick back up on Ultimate X-Men again. I dropped it because they kept pulling out ridiculously retarded shit and messing with the characters to the point where it hurts (ie. Gay Colossus), but hey. If they do it well, I'll be glad to look into it again.

Mmm, Millar. I love the stuff he does in the Ultimate Marvel-verse. He would make me get back into Ultimate X-Men.

Noooo, don't do that "killing" crap. Marvel does it enough as-is. Confining him to his own series sounds good, or just make Scott/Xavier/whoever the hell is running the school put him on some well-earned vacation. He can... go on a road trip! Or something.

I liked Gay Colossus, if only because they didn't make it a huge dramatic change. You know, like have him date Kitty and then one issue, push her away and go to a splash page: "I AM GAY!". I thought it was well done. The only thing I didn't like was that they made Nightcrawler a huge, crazy homophobe.

But yeah, Kirkman's stuff feels too small and has no closure to it. They really need to replace him, and soon.

I'm not for arbitrarily killing people off, but if they'd done it in "House of M" or "Civil War", it would've fit. Wolvie's road trip sounds hilarious. TOo bad they killed Alpha Flight. He could show up drunk on their doorstep and ready to party, eh?

Originally Posted by Victor Von Doom

What "X-Men" did you love? Claremont on X-Men was fantastic, practially everything he touched up until his first departure was gold.

X-Men: The Animated Series was great, although the animation itself varied from abover average to horrible at times, but it was very "adult" in its tone ... didn't talk down to the viewers much. Some of the plots got mangled ... I weep at how watered down they made Proteus.

What didn't you like about the movies? I thought the first two were excellent, but the third one was far to campy and light on plot.

And of course: who's your favorite X-Man? Mine's Nightcrawler, by far. Who doesn't love the fuzzy elf?

well the movies didnt really follow the original story line, i guess...if you watched them as separate from the comics, they were pretty good.

I've never read any comic books. Much less any X-Men ones. Though I do want to. xP

I liked the movie, though since I'm not familiar with the storyline maybe that's why.

I did watch the animated series on Fox when I was little, and I did watch X-Men Evolution when it was on the WB, when it was the WB. xP

Overall my favorite character is Rogue and Gambit. :)

Originally Posted by Enniel

well the movies didnt really follow the original story line, i guess...if you watched them as separate from the comics, they were pretty good.

They were supposed to follow the uh... Ultimate Xmen storyline, I think it was. Loosely. Whichever one where they restarted the school with new teenage mutants. Which unless you've been following the comics recently you wouldn't know.

The second movie was based exactly on the graphic novel "Gods Love, Man Kills". Which was excellent. And pre-dates whatever comic they based the first movie on.

The third movie was just chaos. It wasn't based on anything.

The storyline you're probably familiar with is "Uncanny Xmen", the run that the cartoon was based on.

I like Rouge.

Originally Posted by stilettolover

They were supposed to follow the uh... Ultimate Xmen storyline, I think it was. Loosely. Whichever one where they restarted the school with new teenage mutants. Which unless you've been following the comics recently you wouldn't know.

The second movie was based exactly on the graphic novel "Gods Love, Man Kills". Which was excellent. And pre-dates whatever comic they based the first movie on.

The third movie was just chaos. It wasn't based on anything.

The storyline you're probably familiar with is "Uncanny Xmen", the run that the cartoon was based on.

The first movie wasn't really based on anything in particular. It certainly wasn't based on Ultimate X-Men, since the Ultimate universe wasn't around at that time (X-Men was 2000, Ultimate X-Men was 2001).

The second movie was indeed loosley based on "God Loves, Man Kills", but there were a lot of deviations. The third movie was an amalgam of Dark Phoenix and the Cured storyline from Astonishing X-Men. But butchered horribly.