(Sorry, been inactive lately on Mene)

I thought that the way that Adam died was slightly illogical. Getting his power stripped away from him shouldn't undo everything his power had been doing all these years (yes, it was 1671 that Hiro went back to) - it should just prevent him from doing any future healing. So, I don't think that that should have killed him - just make him vulnerable to be killed. (And I was sorry to see the character go - I thought he still had some development potential.)

Although, technically it seems like it must be possible for Mr. Petrelli's power to go in reverse and give people back their powers. I can't see the writers leaving Peter completely powerless in the future - they will find some way to give him his powers back. So do they have to kill him before he releases powers back to their owners, or is there some way to have him "willingly" release them?

He might not have that specific hunger, since it seems to be something you have to have unlocked through deliberate use. But he's got enough of his own kinds of hunger, that one more might not make much difference anyway.

Hiro really does get hit in the head too much, doesn't he? Seems like practically once an episode on average anymore. Poor Hiro

Matt's turtle should have a larger role later on. I wonder how Matt so easily got out of Africa though - seemed far away from any cities, and he would have had issues for being without his passport. Oh well - it's fiction. Poor Daphne - that was a few more bombs than she was ready for!

The Mohinder scenes are just painful to watch - seems like they could have done his character more justice this season. I hope they resolve that part of the arch soon and move on to something better.

Yeah, I'm not liking Mohinder that much this season either.
I really hope they have something better planned for him.

And Mr. Petrelli's power reminds me of Rogue from Xmen. XD Sad that Adam had to die though. It was kind of a lame way to kill off his character. >_> In my opinion, at least.

Daphne seems like a nice villain. xD

Yeah - Mohinder used to be one of my favorite characters, but now I cringe whenever it's time for one of his scenes. He seems to smart to turn himself into a guinea pig - especially when he thought it wasn't perfected yet.

Mr. Petrelli's power is a bit like Rogue's, except that for the most part, she didn't absorb other people's powers permanently - only temporarily. She was more directly absorbing their life force, making the other person weak, with the ability to kill them if she held on too long. But Mr. Petrelli doesn't seem to be directly effecting their life force . . . . in most cases.

Lame way to kill off Adam. If you are going to kill him off, at least give him a death more befitting of a samurai - let him die with dignitary, or better yet, in some heroic way. He was a good villain, but I also thought he had the potential to turn again - completing the cycle of going from good to bad to good again. Plus he needed more of a wrap up with Hiro.

I wonder what they've got over Daphne that has her backed into a corner. I still see some irony in her character. When Hiro and Ando tell her that her stealing the formula leads to the end of the world, she barely bats an eye and doesn't seem to care. But when she thinks Hiro killed Ando, she suddenly cares, and in the case of Matt, she suddenly cares again. Does she care nothing for the bigger picture?

So Adam is for sure dead? I really like him in the show!

I was actually pleased with Monday's episode too. I've been pretty disappointed by this season so far -- it was looking like Heroes had jumped the shark. :/

But I may give it another try now... As long as Mohinder gets killed off somehow, I'll be happy. I've gone from liking him to totally hating on him every chance I get. :lol:

Sizzla I'll have to agree about killing off Mohinder. They changed his character too much, I don't like it one bit.

Well, "for sure dead" tends to be taken rather loosely on this show. It can mean "dead until further notice". So who knows - the writers might find some way to bring Adam back. I really hope they do.

As for Mohinder - if they don't take serious measures to make him a decent character again, I'd rather see him dead than as he is now. Actually, I wish HRG had just shot him last season when he had the chance, and spared us this Mohinder arch. Sure, fans wouldn't have liked it - but an untimely death is far better than seeing a character ruined like this.

That's true. They could definitely bring Adam back. Like Hiro could go into the past and bring him back or something. I liked his character a lot, so it's sad to see him go.

Oops. I kinda forgot this thread for a moment. xDD;

Anyhow, everyone here has pretty much voiced the same opinions I have. =O One, I'm really irritated at Mohinder now. Okay, I know that some of the good guys have to be villains (hence the title of the season), and that Mohinder is one of them. But seriously, they could have handled his story arc for the season a little better. Okay, not a little better, a lot better. x_x; They're destroying his character and his appeal for me with what they're doing to him now. I just hope that he's still redeemable somehow at the end of all this, although even then I'm not sure I can like his character the same way as I did before. Yeah, he sucks now, sorry. >.>;

I love the Hiro and Ando parts for this episode though. xDD It was adorable. I was literally laughing out loud when he got hit the second time. =P It made me smile, and made me remember why I love the two of them. It's a good change from the weird angry/emo-ish Hiro and Ando from previous seasons. xDD

The Claire-Meredith-Sandra-Doyle thing was just okay for me. I dunno, nothing special about it, I guess. The last scenes with HRG in it though were sad. But cool. I dunno, I guess I like the whole Claire and HRG daddy-issues thing they have right now. I hope they can handle it well, if not better, though. I'd hate for this to go all weird and stuff. =\

And Adam? Stupid way to die for such a good character. :< As xdark_secretsx said, they'll probably bring him back again somehow (I was even thinking of the same idea as xdark_secretsx was xDD). Although, they also might not, since Heroes kinda has this thing about forgetting people. Like, Caitlin? I really hated her, but it's weird that they just left her like that. Ugly plot hole. >=[

Oh! And I'm glad Peter's powers got taken away, to be honest. He needs to get humble again and come back down to earth from his "I'm so cool and powerful and power-hungry" phase. xDD Not sure how I feel about Arthur Petrelli though. =O I hope they develop his character well this season. He can be such a good villain if they handle him correctly.

And lastly, Matt + turtle = <3<3. Period. xDD Although, it is weird how fast he got back. =\ I'm guessing it must have been at least a few days before he got to an actual airport and all, which doesn't match with the other timelines of the other story arcs. =| Again, ugly plot hole. >=[

I'm looking forward to the next episode though~ :3 Anyone here have speculations on what can possibly happen? =O

Rylynne, you said that Heroes kinda has a thing about forgetting people. Like, Caitlin. Who's Caitlin, my memory is totally shot. Watch it be someone I remember, but just never knew the name.

& I totally agree with you when you said that Peter needs to get humble again. Hopefully that does happen. *crosses fingers* I too can't wait to see how they develop Arthur's character, since we don't know much about him they pretty much have a blank slate to work with so they can do some amazing things.

Haha, I was wondering how Matt got back so fast as well. & also how he got the turtle through customs, shouldn't that take a while? oO;

I don't have any speculations, just waiting to see what happens. :)

Lol. xDD Caitlin was the Irish girl who became Peter's semi-girlfriend in Season 2. Then Peter left her in the future where everyone got wiped out by the Ashanti Virus. But, umm, technically that future doesn't exist anymore since they stopped it from spreading, so I dunno what's happened to the Irish chick from there. Ugh, hated her, to be honest with you. >.>; Glad she's gone~ xDD

And yay~ Someone who shares my views on humbling Peter. xDD And yeah, I'm kinda subconsciously expecting Arthur to be a really kick-ass character (he's a Petrelli, after all~), so, yeah. Here's to hoping they do him justice. =P

And yeah, it should have taken longer. >.>; Ahh, I see a plot hole~ 8D

And yup, we'll just have to wait and see what happens. :> I'm excited for next week's episode! <3

Oh yeah, Caitlin. Haha. I guess she wasn't too memorable for me. Seems that Peter forgot about her too, poor her. I didn't like her as well, but that is a plot hole that's open so ick. Here's hoping that the writers know that they need to tell us what happens to her, because her being stuck in the future is sad. Though the present will soon catch up with that future, or at least the date that they went to - and I just confused the heck out of myself. @[email protected]

I think he'll be a great character too. I wonder what they'll do with him, if he'll take more people's abilities or what. Though if he has Peter's ability to mimic, then I don't think he will - yet he might just like taking people's powers for the fun of it. He seems like the person.

Haha, too many plot holes. *gets lost*

Me too, it's so close to Monday & a new episode. xD

Heroes by far has the most lamest and terribly written deaths.

i still get annoyed at DL's leave. and now Adam!? geez
i didnt like the guy, but he certainly deserved a better write off.
and why is Niki still alive?! what the heck?!

sorry, but this episode was just... =_= terrible (to me). things that should have been explained, seemed to have been dumped off. writers probably hoping the audience developed amnesia during the transaction to the new season.

as much as i dont like what Mohinder is doing, the efforts to make me dislike the him have failed. even though he is lame brained and falls for anything you tell him, he is still one of the good characters to me. Hiro and Ando are always amusing and determined, glad they didnt get such half written plots. and i always liked Matt from the start, even when people excused his character for his constant "wanting to save everyone" mentality.

i am hoping the point of this season picks up quickly, its like the whole point of Heroes has took a full 360 and became a different show.

I'm still annoyed at DL's death too - he was a good character, and his death served no purpose at all.

But no, Niki is NOT still alive. Niki is dead, and it doesn't look like they are going to bring her back. Not that I'll miss her. (Although, I found it odd that although she died in an explosion, she still had enough of a body left to put in a casket without any trace of the burns.) Bunai - the same actress who played Niki is now playing her sister Tracy. But it is not the same character.

Heh - turtles can't be easy to import from Africa. Especially ones taken from the wild. Although the Matt-turtle scenes amuse me. I hope they keep it up.

They've dropped a lot of characters from season 2: Caitlin, West, Monica . . . . I can't say that I miss Caitlin too much, although it is weird how they just left her in limbo in a future that will now never exist. Can't say I miss West much either, although there really was never a reason for his disappearance - he and Claire are both still in Costa Verde. I'd be more inclined to see more of Monica again, as long as Micah comes with her. I think that Micah is one of the most under appreciated and underused great characters in the show. I'm fine with him not being one of the "hero-turned-villains" from this arc, but I hope to see him again in the future.

I hope they do a great job at Mr. Petrelli - they've had plenty of time to brainstorm some amazing ideas for him, so I hope the next few episodes are really good. He's got potential to be a great villain.

"Give your father a hug"
"ohkay"
"Sorry it had to come to this..."
*peter snuggles*
"gaaaah!!!" "oh nooes...my powers!?"

That just came off as too quickly and random. They could have saved that for the next episode. It seems like things are being rushed.

regardless that it's not "Niki" specifically. the whole personality jump and pop up sisters did get annoying.

Things are being rushed. And why would Peter just give his father a hug without hardly a second thought? How dumb can you be?

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Some thoughts on the latest episode:

This episode never felt real to me. I never could get into it.

If Mr. Petrelli now has Peter's powers, what use does he have for Peter anymore? What help could he possibly want from a powerless Peter that he can't just do himself? I also don't believe that Peter's powers are gone forever - partially for the reasons I stated last week, but also because Mr. Petrelli hesitated when Peter asked him that - like he was deciding whether to lie or not.

Sylar would be smart enough to play along for awhile. He is far better positioned because he appears to cooperate. Too bad Peter didn't get more of Sylar's brains. It was pretty obvious that Sylar saved Peter's life though - hopefully not too obvious to Mr. Petrelli.

The cause of Elle's problems seems to be her emotional state. Her dad died, she lost her career, and she let a bunch of criminals back into the world - that's more than enough to make someone who was already unstable go over the edge. She doesn't need Pinehearst - she needs emotional help. And since when would Elle even consider for an instant to get her abilities completely taken away?

Nathan - don't be an idiot and do what Peter just did. Seriously - think before you barge into Pinehearst!

lol i think Nathan and Sylar (by big brother default) already make smarter choices than Peter.
Peter wants to be a Hero and a protector so badly, he loses focus.

What's silly about Peter trying to zap back his father after his powers were taken...
He could have just stood up and hugged him back, or grabbed his leg. They have the SAME POWER. and thats to absorb other's powers.

Peter's power actually seems like it is a "more evolved" power than his father's power. His father actually has to touch people and drain away their power in order to gain it for himself. Peter can just be in proximity to someone to get their power, and they don't have to loose it for him to gain it - they are completely unharmed. The thing with that scene though - why couldn't have Peter have prevented his abilities from being stolen in the first place?

Think about it - Peter had his dad's ability from the moment he got anywhere near his dad. So he'd have both his own natural ability and his father's ability at the moment they touched. He should have been able to resist the powers of his dad by using the same ability back at him. Nobody elses' abilities have worked on Peter because he's just used them back at the originator. Like when Matt tried to compel Peter to go after Adam - Peter just used his ability to negate the effects, etc. So theoretically it should be impossible to steal Peter's powers unless he was unconscious or "dead".

ah very logical ^_^

its just that something about that scene didnt feel right.
since Peter is the...golden child of Heroes, i am sure he will gain some new power...or have his returned or something.

Originally Posted by Shimawa_zen

Peter's power actually seems like it is a "more evolved" power than his father's power. His father actually has to touch people and drain away their power in order to gain it for himself. Peter can just be in proximity to someone to get their power, and they don't have to loose it for him to gain it - they are completely unharmed. The thing with that scene though - why couldn't have Peter have prevented his abilities from being stolen in the first place?

Think about it - Peter had his dad's ability from the moment he got anywhere near his dad. So he'd have both his own natural ability and his father's ability at the moment they touched. He should have been able to resist the powers of his dad by using the same ability back at him. Nobody elses' abilities have worked on Peter because he's just used them back at the originator. Like when Matt tried to compel Peter to go after Adam - Peter just used his ability to negate the effects, etc. So theoretically it should be impossible to steal Peter's powers unless he was unconscious or "dead".

The thing is, in the exposed future, we saw the Haitian negate Peter's powers, he's the only one who is able to get in proximity of Peter and Peter is completely unable to duplicate his power. Peter's gullible, but his power doesn't work the way most of us think; and I'm fairly sure he needs to learn how to use his new found power before he can use it on the originator.

I agree with davy. It's not like he knew what his father's power was.. so he didn't have time to learn how to use it before all his powers were zapped away. I wonder if he'll ever be able to get his original power back. Surely they'll figure out a way.

I only got to watching hte first season of it. It started out quite good but was a bit too slow to progress for my liking. I wanted to keep watching it though, but got caught up with work and stuff and lost all track of it :(

I still manage to see bits of it but I don't quite get the story line... I need to catch up on everything, methinks...

You should. Season 2 was pretty good.. Season 3 started off teh suck but it's getting a little better.

Yeah, I agree with Eroy. :3 It's getting there, although it's still a little bleh to me. ^^;

Oh! And I totally laughed out loud during the Peter and Claire scene in the last episode where she was cleaning his wounds and he was shirtless. She kept staring at his chest. xDD;; Guess they're not trying to hide their relationship anymore, I suppose. =P

Jesse Alexander and Jeph Loeb, two writers/executive producers, we're fired from Heroes...

i dont know if this is a good or bad thing, they were there during the first season and second season, when Heroes was at its peak.