Oh, I agree - it was a great episode. Besides horribly upsetting me. D: And freaking me out (because the weeping angels do that to me.... but I do have to say, I totally saw the statue of liberty being a weeping angel. I've been speculating on that for ages now. *lol*

I am not really sure what to think about it. I'm sure that it's going to be playing a big part, which we can't see yet, because we don't have all the info needed yet. xD

Yes! I totally saw the Statue of Liberty as an angel as well. Totally never going to New York.

Yeah that's completely understandable. It should hopefully make for an interesting climax when it comes to head. Though i'm thinking if he's being deleted from everything how did that book about them even exist.

About the book: Haha! So true! So true! I'm sure it'll all make sense... eventually. [lol]

Uhhh, hello plot holes! How have you been?

So Amy and Rory are zapped back to 1938, right? Or maybe it was a different year, but whatever, we'll say 1938. The angels were all wiped out (except one for sure, maybe a few others) by the paradox, so Amy and Rory won't be stuck in a loop of 1938, they'll go to 1938 and then just progress with time linearly, right?

But 1938 is still a place with all sorts of timey-wimey nonsense, so the TARDIS can't land there. Okay, I can accept that. So... can't the Doctor just go to 1939 and pick Amy and Rory back up? They'd have been there a year, but... okay. Not as big as living their whole lives in the wrong time. OR the Doctor could land the TARDIS in 1937, wait a year himself, then pick them up after they get there (waiting a day or two to make sure he misses the previous incarnations of them and himself, you know)

OR! Vortex manipulators can transport more than one person. That's how the Doctor and Martha both traveled with Jack back from the end of time. I don't remember if the Doctor had to modify Jack's manipulator with the screwdriver to do that or not, but it doesn't matter because he could do that to River's.

And it's not like the vortex manipulator is locked out from visiting Amy and Rory either, since River apparently does go to visit them to give her book to them or whatever. She visits them with A TIME TRAVELING DEVICE THAT CAN CARRY MULTIPLE PEOPLE and then just LEAVES BY HERSELF. What.

My point is there is absolutely no reason for Amy and Rory to be gone forever, and it's completely nonsensical. That's like dropping your phone on the ground and saying "oh, well, I dropped it, I guess it's gone" instead of just picking it back up and accepting that it has a tiny scratch now.

I didn't think it was sad... I mean, no Amy and Rory didn't want to live in 1938, but Amy wanted to go back to Rory, and that's what the angel provided her, and all Rory ever seemed to have wanted was to be with Amy, so I'm sure it was fine. The Last Page of the book seem to suggest that. Though I must admit that bothered me, I really doubt that would have gotten published, maybe for the first round but not for subsequent printings across the decades. It was way too specific. Even as a novelty that got reprinted as a puzzle that needed solving, it's unlikely.

I have to admit that the part where Amy and Rory jumped got me a bit. To me that was so much more dramatic, sad and beautiful than the way that they actually got written out of the show... mostly because, as Cherry said, there were other ways for the Doctor to find a way to get to them. Or River. This whole "and then they were lost forever and left to grow old and die in NYC" thing just doesn't fly with me.

I mean, they managed to help save other people who'd been touched by the angels in previous episodes... so what makes this one instance so much different?

The jumping off the building together bit was VERY dramatic. However, a single poke at the end? I mean the Doctor was able to find Canton just by his name and ended up in the oval office. Or else they could have done the 'shark thing', him and river, two bits of the same sonic, one voluntarily gets touched by the angel then the other goes on the TARDIS and finds them... I mean just being touched like that clearly couldn't have been the end-all, be-all. At least they were together but judging by when they died and how old they were, they know what year they got zapped back to! Oh, brilliant! and they can double check their math by doing that with both of the dates.

the only argument I can think of for no interference by the doctor after they were zapped back is because it was a fixed point in time, as indicated by the dates of death on the tombstone? Before when Rory was sent back, they only showed his name on a tombstone, no date, right? You can't interfere with a fixed death like that, look what happened with Rose's dad?

But just because the date they died was fixed, that doesn't mean that the rest of their lives were... what would have stopped him from going back in time to visit? Or taking them on various other adventures? If they were still there when they were supposed to die, how would that mess with the fixed points in time? It just doesn't make sense to me that this was a final farewell when there seem to be so many ways around it

perhaps their whole lives became fixed? I thought it was like a bubble, that you couldn't get out of manually. Though how that effects the distribution of the book, I'm not sure. He couldn't go back with the tardis, but he probably could with one of river's transporters, yeah. So the visit at least seems an option without it being confirmed that it is a rigidly fixed situation.