That made no sense, but I think I may understand the bulk of it.

If you remove the morals, sure, we can eat human meat. When you keep them, hell no.

One pound of veal costs about $15. The amount muscle applies to weight in an average human is about 40%. The average human weighs about 150 lbs. That leaves 60 lbs. Without the muscles near the spine we loose an eighth at the most. That leaves about 50 lbs. Sold at half the price of veal(which may be underselling it) we could set it up for 7 dollars a pound, it gives 350 dollars for the average human body. For each human body there would likely be a total cost of $250 in testing and processing fees(less if we decide to skimp on processing). A $100 profit for every human body sold.

Though between muscle and laze are awkward. In pigs it is better for you to be muscular, for cows it is better for you to have no exercise for your entire life. The whole dark meat white meat thing...and I've never cooked human before.

That is $100 for putting a human through a slaughterhouse, and for a week or two of work on processing. It wouldn't be worth it to set up commercially. Maybe a small boutique... ;D


Oh. It isn't because of the situation. It is because that was how society was going.

It was the right morals back then. It just isn't now. Humans are very self-contradicting like that.
I think of ethics as being morals based on religion. I'm an atheist, though.

Surprisingly it is due to the fact that the sale is almost immediate. A cow must be raised, vaccinated, fed, ect. A human would just need be found, dismantled, tested, and sold. Immediate profit in comparison to typical meat sales. Making it promising commercially.

Needing to be found is the hard part. Bodies start decomposing. Fast. Once they decompose, they are unfit for consumption. That means that it would have to be a highly expected death, and you would have to assume that the person was willing to sign over their body for consumption.

And oh my god this is a fucked up conversation.

Heh I just detach myself, I don't feel a thing from this conversation. Though for the most part people should be willing to sign over their body, if government organized it probably would become part of the organ donation program.

Hardly any people are signing their body for science. What makes you think they're going to sign their body for food? It's a respect for yourself thing, which also ties into morals

Morals are fading fast in this world. I'm hoping by the year 2500 we will finally stop being so human. As for respect for yourself...you are a corpse, I don't even know why we give them rights anymore, they take up space and cost us money. Absolutely worthless in that form.

As a human though it will be difficult. The government program would be difficult to bypass, particularly if the program goes to aid hunger. Some people love helping people, and others would like to see their corpse used for something. To these people giving your body to science isn't very helpful to anyone, some student gets to chop up your body, big fucking whoop. But feeding people, giving away your organs. For many it would seem a just cause.

I think it's just a fact of you having no morals, and trying to justify your cannibalistic wishes by being ignorant and just disagreeing with any valid argument thrown at you, with bullshit excuses.
We will have morals as long as we have religion. We will have religion as long as we have morals. They go hand in hand. Unless some apocalyptic shit goes down, and there is only a select few people left, then corpses will be respected.

Other than the curing cancer and aids part, and putting in your part to stopping the next big disease.
I'm done with you. You are too ignorant to hold a stable discussion with.

Ha leave then. I've had my fun, and you leave angry. You claim to have plenty of morals, and be athiest. You claim that morals come with religion. You refute yourself. You claim I have no morals. You know nothing about me.

I disagree with the argument because they are not valid. I continue to give good reasons, you call them bullshit excuses, they have science and logic behind them.

I don't have cancer, I can't help cure it. I don't have aids, I can't help cure it. The best I can give them is some organs to stare at and examine before they put me through plastination and hang me up in a classroom.

Finally fuck you for accusing me to WANT this cannibalism so bad. I don't really give a FUCK if I can eat a person or not, I just want to understand why not. Nobody asks why not. That is why we are ignorant. So speak ill of me if you would, but understand that you haven't even pierced the surface of my psyche, and every ill word you speak of me is a lie.

I think what Justin is trying to point out and is quite clear to me is that you have absolutely no respect for the human condition, or for humanity at all. And at certain times, yes I could agree with that. But riddle me this, Yoshaki: Pick someone very dear and very close to you. They are healthy in all meanings of the word, and they die. Would you eat that person? Honestly? Deep down, in your heart of hearts, would you eat that person that you loved so dearly?

That's MY issue with your dogged and completely pig-headedly stubborn stance on cannibalism. I don't care about the state of the world and I really don't care how much money it takes and how much space they take up: I am going to make damn sure that my loved ones get the burial they deserve, not just passing through some other person's digestive tract. It's disgusting and just...utterly revolting. All people who die have people who love them....and they all deserve proper burials or cremations or whatever. THE. END.

Also, going back to the slaughterhouse idea, it's easy for a human being to kill an animal because it doesn't look like him. How many people are you going to find, outside of murderers, that will kill human being after human being with absolutely no thought one way or the other? It'd be enough to drive a sane, normal man completely out of his mind.

Okay, everybody needs to go back and read the debate forum rules. Particularly the part where it says debating is allowed and arguing is not. Then go ahead and read the part where it says to respect other people's beliefs.

Calling each other pig-headed, ignorant etc. is insulting and if it doesn't stop, I will put a stop to it.

It's really a a shame, because I had a few things to contribute to this topic, but now I can't because I have to watch it from a detached viewpoint knowing I'll more than likely have to close it when justin and St_JimmyHavok go on another tirade insulting Yoshaki and he responds with profanity.

So, just stop doing it.

Got you comrade. Kinda why I messaged you, I felt kinda bad for losing control of my nerve. It is one of those things that actually really embarrasses me and I figured I needed someone with authority to put me in my place.

On response. I would. Yes I would. Understand the sadness that I would feel would be absolute. I could barely handle losing this person, but what I care about is their life. Their life, their soul, and what they had done with me. No longer could I ever see this person, who had been alive for years of my pathetic life, alive. ALIVE.

I don't care about their body. Really for every person that has died in my life I have never seen them buried, I couldn't stand it. My bipolar disorder would shift drastically to the south and nobody would hear from me for days. I couldn't go to school, I couldn't talk to people, I couldn't have fun, I am a wreck of a human being completely incapable of common function. You don't even know how much death wrecks me. Between the fear of my death, and the fear of the death of my loved ones my paranoia about the thing is absolute, I scream myself to sleep at night feeling his cold hand on my shoulder some nights. When I was five years old I began a tirade that ended with me spending three years of my life, for every single day, shaking and crying until I was asleep.

But it is their life. Their soul. Their emotion. Their mind. Never their body, the same as if I die my body would be nothing to me. An empty shell, without me in it. The last depression of a man who feared death so much that it encompassed half his reason for living. I'd want it destroyed. Burnt. Blown up. Hung up as a decoy so a soldier could make it past a choke point. EATEN. Just please...please get rid of it. In the end...it isn't me. I was me. And I am gone.

As for the slaughterhouse, understand that no human brought into circulation would ever be alive. If you are asking what humans would cut up another human being for amusement or occupation without being insane or criminal...how about an anatomist, a scientist, a surgeon, ect. They all cut people up with little to no psychological problem at all. They just do it, and then when they are finished it goes to it's purpose.

Look- I'm sorry I feel so strongly about my family. I respect your opinion- really I do! It's just the fact that this entire subject so deeply disturbs me. Personally, I sleep better at night, knowing my loved one's have been safely buried, and that their souls are with the Lord.

Have you ever considered that maybe, just maybe, it's your fear of death that's brought you to the conclusion of cannibalism? I've seen my fair share of burials and have my beliefs; you've stated you haven't been able to attend any burials, due to your condition (which, I apologize, I had no idea).

I apologize for any insulting words I might have said; it just seemed to me that you are doggedly stuck on this issue and were only accepting a few other people's thoughts, and to be honest, I got very frustrated. Couple that with the fact that I really do NOT agree with the idea up for debate...pretty potent combo. Again, I apologize. I just can't imagine pieces of somebody I love become no more than hamburger....

I know it isn't. I've feared death for a long time. The only thing that it has given me is a lack of care for dead forms and an absolute wish for some form of immortality. It is interest in my heritage that has caused my interest in cannibalism.

A good deal of my blood traces back to the Polynesian island groups. My people at one point practiced cannibalism. They stopped really only because the white man came by and forced it so. They also banned tattooing, tribal leadership, and local language. Though we bypassed all those barriers with time...not cannibalism though. We still do some of the greatest tattoos on earth, until they finally both died of old age our nation was lead by our tribal leaders, and many of us still speak the language. We are quite proud of our heritage, because unlike most tribal groups we were able to gain our independence back and no longer live in suppression by white overseers. So if anything has driven me to wonder about this it is just a bit of hereditary pride.

I accept all thoughts as another person's opinion. But this is a debate thread so if I think they are wrong I will try to argue against it to the best of my ability. I have conceded to the strong arguments here, but I won't just roll over to any counter-statement. I am just a little too prideful for that. xB

Ok I'm just gonna give up on the morality issue because people seem to brush that aside very easily. Which is cool.

Here's another thought I had: In many ways, cannibalism is seen as very primitive. (No offense to Yoshaki's ancestors.) In a world obsessed with going forward, why would we as civilized human beings ever resort to something seen as primitive? I mean...look at how cannibals are portrayed in the media. There are STILL jokes about the Donner party (or was it family?). Look at how quickly Jeffrey Dahmer was locked up and put away. Even in movies- more often than not, cannibals are either the villains in horror films, or used as comedic props. It's right up there with human sacrifice. With such a bad light cast on the idea, it's no wonder people seem to not favor it.

Also there's the idea of something you've lived with your entire life. If you raise chickens for example, which a friend of mine does, you develop an attachment and find it very hard to kill that animal to eat it. Same goes for people- you grow up around human beings every day. You could sit down to your man-steak in the evening thinking to yourself: "Is this Todd from accounting? Was this Aunt Sally?" and it may or may not affect you in a similar fashion.

As to your arguement on attachment, I think to be able to eat human meat without a care in the world, we would have to lower our opinions of ourselves to lower than the lowest creature. Think about it: How are human beings able to carry out horrible acts of cruelty upon each other, like slavery? We lower that person to lower than a second-class citizen...as less than human; no better than an animal. Look at Silence of The Lambs: the 'killer' in the movie, not Hannibal Lecter, lowered his opinion of his victims to no more than dumb animals for his harvesting. That's what I see this idea as. If we could lower our opinion of our fellow man down to no more than a dumb animal, then what's going to keep one person from going on a rampage, killing because he's hungry? In that way, cannibalism would prove devastating to our culture. The poor and the hungry would change their world view to see that any human being could become the food they so desperately want, and what's going to keep them from having it?

Yeah, the killer in the movie had mental problems, but I digress. How did people enslave other people and not care? Same concept.

I see harvesting as recollecting.

There are poor and desperate people in first world countries too, and what's going to stop them? That's what I was asking before. (I live in North America, so maybe our bums are different from your bums. lol)

And as to your PS, sadly I see the answer as no. We can't tell a lot of the time. *sigh*