Suicide
 

Your view of suicide follows along what I've heard called the Existentialist view. True, no one will remember in a hundred years. I tend to go with the idea that...even if it won't matter a hundred years from now, it does matter now. Whether or not it'll fade, it deeply affects people who have lost someone in this manner. A human life is precious to the people who have been touched by it. I've known several people who have attempted suicide, and even during tough parts of their lives, they are still glad they weren't successful. Suicide may be seen as giving up, but I consider it to be somewhat of a lack of resources. You know, someone is unable to get the help they need, can't find the right person to listen to them, can't hope that tomorrow will bring anything good. Whether it is wrong or right doesn't matter to me. The fact is that it happens.

As for me, I have thought about it before. I've never tried it, and hopefully, I never will. For now, I am important to close friends and family, and I'd rather be remembered by them for doing something good and caring rather than something horrific that would leave them scarred.

It's true that the government writes war casualties off as statistics, but they do the same for deaths in general. Still, it really depends on who committed the suicide about whether or not it'll be remembered. Van Gogh and Hemingway are both remembered for their works more than they are for their suicides.

I have thought and tried it... really wasn't worth it in the long run
i swallowed a whole packet of sleeping pills and i was rushed to hospital... i screwed up my kidneys
I thought about it mainly because i had no friends my family didn't care about me... my father bashed me my older sisters boyfriend raped me (i was 9) and a whole lot of other things were going on in my life
Not as much anymore i have a few friends now and i avoid my parents at all costs

Suicide should be someone's choice if they choose to do that. I don't think anybody or any laws should take that right away.

But I think your view on people that have died is a bit skewed. Ancestors no matter how forgotten they have become will always be there in that part of history in that time and they are still a part of your blood.

Though we may have forgotten about them for a time you can always find out who there were. Often times you can find out more about them with just a little bit more digging. Its easy to forget about all of the people who have died but in remembering them you might just learn something about yourself. Because you are a bit of them.

Its easy to say that nobody will remember you but you don't know that. Maybe 200 years from now when your dead someone in your family will remember you, and find out about you. Maybe even find some connection with who you were in life.

Back onto the topic of suicide, I had a close friend kill himself in High School. And while I wished he hadn't done it, I do believe it was his right to do so. But I think suicide is a selfish thing in some conditions. If you have a family to take care of or children that aren't grown up yet, I think it would be a terribly selfish and inexcusable course to take. Suicide doesn't just affect that person, especially if others depend on them.

It's true that in the long run when you're gone, no one's going to care. To the general population, you are just a number. If you look deeper into it, taking your own life does effect the lives of others around you. I think that when people threaten to kill themselves, they really don't think about it enough.

The way I see things is that people can do whatever they want with themselves as long as they're not hurting others. If someone does choose to kill themselves, they have the right to. It's just something I think that most people need to really think about. There's always someone who has it worse off and forces themselves to live through it.

I've tried it before and it's not something I would try again. It's just not worth it. It's emotionally draining, physically draining, and it made me realize that I have more than I thought I did. I do think it's a bit selfish if you look at the fact that if someone close to you were to die you'd be effected by it.

I do feel suicide is a very negative thing...however it's not right to keep people alive for whom life is too much suffering. I feel people who object to all suicide have not suffered any sort of intensive pain to know what it's like. Suicide should be an option for terminal disease victims who are in severe and constant pain as a last resort. All other options should have been tried before the person resorts to suicide.

I was in intensive pain for two days to the point where I did not eat, sleep or do anything. I was in too much pain to either stand up or lie down. I felt my existence dwindle to the level of the pain.
Now this experience got me thinking....What about people who suffer this level of pain day in and day out for weeks on end?.. I started to stand up to people who naively were saying how suicide was bad...always bad and should never be allowed.

A person should not do suicide for emotional issues, depression or mental illness. These conditions are not terminal and there is treatment available for them.
This kind of depression is most often the type called a permanant solution for a temparary problem. These people should be stopped from doing suicide, by force if necessary. Some may regret a suicide attempt as their issues are resolved.

It would be best if persons deciding to choose suicide as an option for themselves see a pyschologist and or a doctor...Maybe a second opinon on both. After they have been screened and there are no options left for whatever they are suffering from, then suicide can be considered.

Just because something wont be important in a hundred years doesnt mean it wasnt important when it happened. No one will remember my life but I can still make something good come of it.
Anyhow.. I spent a good chunk of time in high school thinking about suicide. Id cut for a while. In and out of counseling. Nothing was really working. Eventually I started to keep a stash of pills in my room, adding to it every once in a while (so my parents wouldnt found out). Before I got the courage to take them I told someone about it.
My life wasnt that terrible. There was no meaning to it though, everything felt like it was going in slow motion. Every day the same thing, it was like I was numb to the world. So, anyhow.. not a good reason to try and kill yourself. Ive learned that now.
Suicide is too rash a choice for something that may only last a little while. If Id have killed myself when I wanted to, I would have never met the love of my life, experience college, known my amazing group of friends and lots of other things that currently fill my life with hope and love.. and happiness.

Personally...I think suicide is selfish beyond belief. Sure, no one will remember 100 years down the line...but what about NOW? The fact is, people WILL be upset now (unless you're just a total all-around ass who's managed to alienate everyone, in which case who the hell cares?), and that SHOULD matter for something, you know?

The fact is, EVERYONE'S life "sucks." Life is a total bitch. If everyone were to look, everyone will always find SOMETHING to complain about. The question is whether or not you FIXATE on those things you have to complain about. It annoys me to no oend when people do that...because you know what? On top of everyone having something to complain about, EVERYONE ALSO HAS SOMETHING TO BE THANKFUL FOR. Really, I know it's hard not to fixate on the negative...but suck it up people, no one's life can be perfect.

If things are totally craptastic at home, and I mean REALLY hellish (abusive parents, drugs all around, that kind of crap), I'd support running away before suicide. Because once again, THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO WILL BE HURT.

For those who have lost their fear of death, suicide is nothing more than the "easy way out." And honestly, it's selfish beyond words to just take the easy way out and hurt everyone you leave behind so badly that you likely don't even know the HALF of it.

The only exception I can make to see it as acceptable is, for instance, someone with a terminal disease. Someone with something there is no other escape from, and it'd take them anyway. Or perhaps in the case of sacrificing yourself to save another (for instance, if you're the end of the rope of people dangling off a cliff and you cut the rope and let yourself fall so the others can climb up, though that's a rare case), it could even be seen as noble. But for the normal pressures of life? Even the abnormal pressures of life? No. Just no. Don't be selfish.

That said, I have thought about it. Even tried once. I tried by slashing my wrist...luckily I heal too fast for the cut I made to have done it. The scar is almost invisible now, and I'm thankful beyond words for that. I don't want to remember the state of mind I was in at the time. I was screwed up beyond belief. Only reason I want to remember ANYTHING is to keep it from happening again. I lost a lot of close friends through that phase...and needless to say it drove me nuts.

I'd also considered drowning myself or overdosing on a really powerful medicine was on (which actually may easily have been part of the cause of my idiotic state of mind). Never tried it though. Didn't have the guts to go through with drowning, was afraid I'd get caught before the pills took effect and end up rushed to the hospital.
....I'm really, really terrified of the hospital. o__e;;;

I got out of that eventually and realized just how stupid I was. Fixed most of the things that were bothering me. In reality it WASN'T EVEN HARD. If I could do that, then so can damn near anyone else.

That's mainly why I feel the way I do, actually.

Just for religious reasons.


I tried it when I was about 14, obviously I failed. D;
I was drunk when I tried do to it, I'm glad I didn't though. ;D

Erm, drown myself? Lolol.

I felt alone, and like everyone around me was against me. My mom had this asshole boyfriend who litterly made my brother and my life a living hell ans she'd just stand by and watch, when I'd defend myself or my brother against his verbal abuse my mom would beat me. :/

Not anymore? Haha.

I believe suicide is a choice, but that most people who are in the state they are in when considering suicide aren't up for making the right choice. I've known a person who at some time tried to commit suicide by hainging but failed because he was cut down before he died. he tried it again two other times by overdosing, but was rushed to the hospital before he could die/.. today, he is glad that he didn't die..
i think a lot of people at some downpoint in their life consider suicide. I considered it, because at that point i really didn't have any friend, and no one seemed to care really,. but now i have more friend than i have time to spend with them, and i know that i have the opportunity for a successful life, so I'm glad i never went through with it.
also, for many (not all though) suicide is rather selfish, because even though it seems like no one cares, there is probably someone who does.. and for those who really have no one, it robs other of the chance of a future friendship. you never know when your life is going to go back up, and by taking your own life, you will never find out..
not all people are forgotten. i can name many people who dies a long time ago, that i had no way of personally knowing, who i admire today.. if you don't want to be forgotten, do something that could change the future, and you can become famous. that way you will never be forgotten..

This topic seems to be more suited to the debates forum, so I'll be moving it along there.

In my honest opinion? Save for the exceptions I already listed, someone who could do that doesn't really deserve to have anyone care about them.

You have to give to receive. I don't think I could bring myself to genuinely care about someone who knew that by performing a selfish action, they would hurt me, but wouldn't care anyway. Unless you count hormones and lust as "caring"...and that case only happened once, for the record. >w>;

Honestly, I feel sorry for someone who could be so skewed in their thinking. Someone like that needs some damn help...and a boot to the head. That's how I was for a while, and honestly I hate myself for being such an IDIOT.

For emotional issues, there's ALWAYS another way out. Be it therapy, changing your attitude, even medicine in extreme cases (though honestly I think medicine is overused, but that's a whole different can of worms that I'm not about to open), there is always SOMETHING.

That's fanfuckingtastic for you, but for some people that's not so simple. :\ Why, in fact, some people might be depressed or something and have trouble coping. This trouble coping might even bring someone to believe that they have no other options than to commit suicide. It's not about 'oh dear lord my mommy didn't buy me a PS3 imma go take 10 pills' it's about feeling like you have no other options. Seeing how your problems apparently cleared up at the snap of a finger, I doubt you'd get it.

They didn't clear up "in the snap of a finger." It did take work. But once I was willing to actually DO SOMETHING to get through everything, it was a hell of a lot easier than I imagined.

I have yet to see someone who didn't have an easier time working through emotional issues after realizing that they WILL have to do something THEMSELVES and actually DO IT. Whether it's seek help or just look at things differently, I have yet to meet ONE who didn't have an easier time with it.

Saying "Oh I'm trying!!" and doing the same effortless half-assed crap over and over again doesn't count as accepting or trying, by the way. Believe me, that's what I did for years. You can't cheat yourself.

Granted, some people are in rather...abnormal situations. And I don't expect EVERYONE to have EVERYTHING change; some people are in situations where a lot of it is beyond their control. Believe me, the one major thing that I still have issues with is well beyond my control; I fully understand that there are people who have the same but worse. But still, it's no excuse not to TRY AND DO WHAT YOU CAN.

Suicide is the effortless solution. The effortless answer to a tough problem...is usually cheating.

...Do you really think that someone who is miserable enough to commit suicide doesn't want to try and get better? You're acting like they kill themselves because they're too lazy to commit to treatment.

Some people have been severely depressed for long enough that they've given up hope of ever getting better. At that point, someone saying 'you can fix this, just try harder' not only sounds totally impossible but probably just makes them feel even worse. :\
Despite your best efforts to help yourself, you can still fall into self-destructive patterns. What happens when just trying your best does nothing and you're still miserable? Frankly, telling someone who has no idea how to cope at all to just try harder isn't going to get you anywhere.

For the record, I'm not at all advocating suicide (in case anyone is getting that out of my posts) I just feel that people suicidal people get more crap than they deserve.

Suicidal people are usually given negative feedback, which only re-inforces their self-destructive cycle. Sometimes if you're able to bring someone out of their depression (which is an awful lot of work, trust me) then they can resume normally.
I once entertained the notion of suicide, but the thoughts of how it would affect my friends and family usually snaps me out of it. I'm one of those people pleasers, I can't stand when anyone is mad/disappointed/depressed because of me.
I could really only see suicide as noble if it were in the context of Socrates' death, where he was outed by his own society, so to die with honor (so to speak), he committed suicide. But that situation rarely comes up in contemporary culture.

Honestly I've little if anything against the people themselves. But the fact is, if you're REALLY trying and it's not working, you're trying the wrong thing. A lot of the time, you'll need help to figure out what the right thing is. That's NOT a bad thing. I needed help too. But in the end it all comes down to you - and the attitude I usually see with people who seek help for changing their situation is usually "Okay, here, you do it, you fix me; I've tried everything, so now I'm giving it to you." Which doesn't work. The only way anyone can help you is if they help YOU find the solution you couldn't alone.

I remember when I was in therapy, my first thought when I was told to try a certain method, my first thought was "Wait, I have to do the work!?" Which, looking back, was stupid.

The fact is, I fully understand that depression warps your mind and makes it hard to think clearly. But it's still POSSIBLE.

Maybe I'm just so bitter because I'm still mad at myself. I mean, if I'd gone ahead with anything...I would have missed out on a LOT. And I believe in an afterlife in which I would be kicking myself quite hard right now. I wouldn't actually get MAD at someone, especially not to their face, for being suicidal...it's just the concept really that pisses me off.

I don't believe in giving up, with VERY few exceptions. Life is not one of them, save for the cases I listed in my first post. And for the record, that German multimillionaire falls into the category of terminal illness or the like. Basically something that can't be recovered from no matter what. An emotional state is never that.

True, but perhaps these people simply believe that they CAN'T fix themselves. The more you believe you're doomed to misery, the less likely you are to want to take an active role in trying to help yourself. I, for example, know that I have to put effort into recovery but why bother putting effort into something when I know it's not going to work? If a therapist can throw a solution at me, fine, but trying and failing just reaffirms the belief that there is no getting better. The truth of the matter is I'm probably going to feel like the situation is totally hopeless until someone manages to convince me otherwise. Then you'll see effort.


That's a terrible thing to say. And for the record, if someone is that desperate for attention they probably need it.

I've thought about committing suicide a couple times in the past, but I'm too chicken to go through with it, and life always ends up getting better from that point on anyway... that and the fact that it just didn't seem like it was worth the effort, nothing seemed bad enough to put myself through that sort of pain.
That aside...

I think it's unfair to yourself to kill yourself. Even if you don't believe in a God who would be upset with you for it, or if you don't have anyone who will miss you, it just seems wrong in ways I can't describe.
Granted, I guess it depends on your age and status in life, but you don't see 50 year old people who have had a couple kids and have actually done stuff wondering if they should off themselves. At least not usually.
Usually those who are interested in committing suicide are teenagers who are going through a tough time and are depressed for some reason and, if they just bothered to take a couple emotional steps back, could probably find another way to deal with whatever life was handing them. It might be a more difficult way, but it's still another option.

It's unfair to your potential self to just do yourself in when you're a teenager. I know when I was a teenager who was thinking of suicide I hadn't fully developed into the person I am now, and I know I'm not fully developed into the person I'm going to be later on.

And it's unfair to kill yourself when at you're at your very lowest low. You have to really think about "how high was I when I was at my highest?" Admittedly, as a teenager you may find that answer lacking, but it's still something you have to consider. You really have to evaluate your emotions.

Where is your life going?
How wide is your range of emotion?
What particular thing in your life is preventing you from reaching a high point?
Are you suicidal only at a certain of year/month/day? It could be a bipolar or hormonal thing.

and blah blah blah, the list goes on.

I think people who are suicidal should try running away first. Steal like... 500-750 bucks from one of your parents (or even ask, depending on the kind of parents you have), take a bus somewhere you think is fun, and then just go through your normal routine there, or hell, go off and do something you think would be awesome to do. And then go home (or not if you think you could survive where you ended up). If that experience didn't change your feelings at all, and you still feel like life is hopeless, then sure, kill yourself.