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aq_aria 10-13-2009 04:31 AM

Well I'm definitely for breastfeeding. I was,my sisters and brother were and my baby brother is doing it too. For those moms on the go I recommend a pump. Some moms work and can't stay with the baby. If you don't want to give your baby formula just pump a few bottles. The problem with that is that you don't know how much your baby will drink during the day.

Anahata 10-13-2009 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Amelia (Post 1765216466)
Personally, I don't like it. I doubt I'm ever going to breastfeed, but thats my choice.
If I take my shirt off and run down the street, yeah I'm going to get arrested for public indencency. Some cases I don't mind people breastfeeding in public, but other times it just annoys me. I don't want to look at other women's breasts. When I'm walking down the road and a women is sitting outfront doing that? Couldn't you just go inside or into your backyard?
One time I was going into a store, and there was a women on the curb breastfeeding, and it was completely unnecessary.
Also, at a party I was at once, a mother's young child came running up to her, lifted her dress, and began breastfeeding, and she continuted her conversation like nothing was wrong.

One of my biggest problems is women who do it at parks or beaches. Once I was at a park with my mother and much younger brother while a women was doing that, well my little brother came running over to us asking what her breasts where. If you're not going to let your 4 year old watch tv or movies with nudity, why do I want that when going to a park?
I honestly think it's rude, but thats just me.

Also, it's not going to starve if you don't breast feed. I have a lot of friends who breast feed in there homes, and take a bottle with them when out in public.

Then again, I don't see why shirtless women would be a big deal.
Men can run around without shirts on, and yet if a woman does that, she'd get in trouble. Breasts are meant to feed children. There's nothing sexual or inappropriate about that.

The only reason seeing boobs feels like it's offensive is because in certain places, people (mostly men) have sexualized the idea of breasts over time. There are still countries today where women walk around without shirts. It's not a problem for them. Go figure.

So I don't get the whole boobs-are-a-big-deal-and-totally-rude-to-show.
That's just my opinion, personally.

Keyori 10-13-2009 05:14 PM

@Anhata, I think it kindof is sexual (not breast feeding, but breasts). There are several nerves in the nipples that are very sensitive and can trigger arousal. This can also happen in men, but to a much lesser degree (or it just makes them feel "weird").

Also, it seems that anything that directly involves child-rearing should be covered up (genitals, breasts, and baby bumps).

Anahata 10-13-2009 06:33 PM

"because it relates to child-rearing" is a dumb excuse to cover up anything, I think.

A lot of women actually don't have super-sensitive nipples, and I know a lot of guys that in fact do. The image of a shirtless man can definitely arouse women as much as the opposite, so even the fact that a bare chest could be taken as sexual isn't taken into equal consideration between the sexes, is it?

Amelia 10-13-2009 10:07 PM

But this isn't a debate on what's fair for men verus women, is it?

And breats are a sexual thing because that it what society has made it. If from the moment I'm born I live in a culture where things like that are found inappropriate, well chances are it's going to make me uncomfortable.
If other countries have shirtless women, well that is good for them. That's another country, with a different culture, beliefs, and values.

Son Zack 10-13-2009 11:08 PM

I support public breastfeeding. Sometimes I think the mothers could be a bit more discreet about it, I know there pervs out there that get off on that sort of stuff and that bugs me. I don't like to see creepy people staring at a mother feeding her baby the natural way.

Personally, it doesn't bother me. It's a natural process, and I wouldn't want the baby fed in some sort of dingy bathroom instead. Breastmilk is very good for the baby! That packaged stuff can't compare.

Sometimes I find it not difficult to stare when some woman flaps it out infront of everyone, but I manage to be polite and just let it be. In America, our society seems to look on mammaries as serious naughty bits, and a lot of us grow up with similar view points - they shouldn't been seen in public. For some reason, breasts seem to attract the attentions of straight men and are viewed as sexual symbols and objects. Perhaps if we didn't strive to censor the world, it wouldn't be so weird and our society wouldn't be so covertly fixated on sex. Repression only makes it worse xD

People who think of breastfeeding as sexual or arousing have some serious issues, in my eyes.

Anahata 10-13-2009 11:15 PM

@Amelia: Hey, I'm just saying that where you come from doesn't HAVE to define you. If you can see things from another point of view, hell, watch more documentaries with shirtless women or something, maybe breastfeeding wouldn't bother you anymore.

I just think people being offended or whatever are silly.
And I didn't grow up in a thrid-world country, either. That is all.

I Love [Put Name Here] 10-16-2009 01:22 AM

I don't see anything wrong with it. Most of the women I've seen breastfeeding in public are some what covered up. They have a blanket covering the breast and baby. It shouldn't be illegal to do it in public, I mean a baby got to eat.
It really not the mothers that are breastfeeding that is making it bad, it is how people see breast that are making it bad.
Breast are usual seen as something sexual. If you take that train of thought and bring it over to what breast are really ment for, it turns negative. There is nothing wrong with breast, everywoman has them. I don't see why someone should be offended when a mother is trying to use her breast for what they are made for.
In my mind if breastfeeding is illegal, than shouldn't girls showing to much clevage be illegal? What about woman running around without a bra and their nipple shows through?
If exposing your breast in order to feed a child is wrong, than shouldn't exposing them for sexual attention wrong as well?

Tsukipon 10-16-2009 01:27 AM

Breastfeeding is fine in general.

Just don't do it in public. I don't think it's cute. I actually think it is gross. Yes, it is part of life. Just, do that at home. Your husband may like it, but not the general public, small children.

Stop it.

But I actually don't think it should be illegal. You don't like it? Don't look, walk away. That is what I do.

Double S 10-16-2009 01:58 AM

I don't like it. At all. It's just a little inconsiderate in my opinion. No one really needs to see that, especially children. And while some may say it's not sexual, I think it is. A woman's breast is not the same as a man's chest.

If you want to breastfeed, do it in closed doors. Get a pump if you're going to be out and make a few bottles.

Tsukipon 10-16-2009 02:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Double S (Post 1765236642)
Get a pump if you're going to be out and make a few bottles.

HAHAHA. That line made me life. That is so funny.
I didn't even really know women did that.

Keyori 10-16-2009 03:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Anahata (Post 1765223001)
"because it relates to child-rearing" is a dumb excuse to cover up anything, I think.

A lot of women actually don't have super-sensitive nipples, and I know a lot of guys that in fact do. The image of a shirtless man can definitely arouse women as much as the opposite, so even the fact that a bare chest could be taken as sexual isn't taken into equal consideration between the sexes, is it?

I agree, and I understand where you're coming from. I was just pointing out that, to society as a whole, that is typically the mindset you'll come across.

Kris 10-16-2009 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Double S (Post 1765236642)
I don't like it. At all. It's just a little inconsiderate in my opinion. No one really needs to see that, especially children. And while some may say it's not sexual, I think it is. A woman's breast is not the same as a man's chest.

If you want to breastfeed, do it in closed doors. Get a pump if you're going to be out and make a few bottles.

The women are inconsiderate?
Well, pot, meet kettle.

How can you sit by and declare that a woman feeding her child is inconsiderate, when you basically just asked a woman to stay at home until her child is old enough to eat on its own? :| Honestly, such hypocrisy is astounding.

These women don't do it because they want people to see it. They do it because their child needs to eat. I'm sorry if it's a newsflash to you that children eat, but, hey, it's a fact of life. Shocking, isn't it? Who ever heard of a child needing to feed, right?

I honestly think that asking people to cater their actions to you, because you are prudish against nature, is more inconsiderate and rude than most things a person can do. If I need tampons should I be disallowed to go to a male clerk, because it might make him uncomfortable? Should I not read books or magazines about women's sexuality because it might make someone feel "icky"? Should I not talk about homosexuality because it'll make someone uncomfortable?

Or, since everyone has different things which make them feel uncomfortable, should we leave it to the person at fault to deal with their fault, instead of burdening and hurting women and children?

Tsukipon 10-16-2009 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Kris (Post 1765239643)
The women are inconsiderate?
Well, pot, meet kettle.

How can you sit by and declare that a woman feeding her child is inconsiderate, when you basically just asked a woman to stay at home until her child is old enough to eat on its own? :| Honestly, such hypocrisy is astounding.

These women don't do it because they want people to see it. They do it because their child needs to eat. I'm sorry if it's a newsflash to you that children eat, but, hey, it's a fact of life. Shocking, isn't it? Who ever heard of a child needing to feed, right?

I honestly think that asking people to cater their actions to you, because you are prudish against nature, is more inconsiderate and rude than most things a person can do. If I need tampons should I be disallowed to go to a male clerk, because it might make him uncomfortable? Should I not read books or magazines about women's sexuality because it might make someone feel "icky"? Should I not talk about homosexuality because it'll make someone uncomfortable?

Or, since everyone has different things which make them feel uncomfortable, should we leave it to the person at fault to deal with their fault, instead of burdening and hurting women and children?

If you read the last line of the post - she did not say that women should stay in their homes all the time. I don't know about making bottles with a pump or whatever, but if that is possible-then they could do it. They don't have to, of course. Can't force them.

If women go out for a few hours or whatnot, usually the baby doesn't have to eat every minute. But if they get to that point, don't just sit in the middle of a restaurant and pull open your blouse.

Besides, how can you say that Double S wants people to "Cater" to her? She didn't say that breastfeeding disgusts her or that she hates the act. She just said that she thinks it is inconsiderate. She thinks-opinion. She is not going around to these women on the street saying "stop it-you are being inconsiderate!"

Yes breastfeeding is nature. Animals do it, humans obviously can do it. But in our society when a woman's breast is sexual, most people don't want to see it.

I know a lot of woman are well covered with blankets and that is fine I guess. I personally don't like breastfeeding in public either. Because a lot of people don't like to see public breastfeeding - they are burdening women and children? Not really. Double S isn't even saying this act should be illegal. She is just expressing her opinion on the act. She will get over it. We all will get over it. These women won't stop and we can't make them.

Philomel 10-17-2009 02:30 PM

Um, forgive me if I'm mistaken, but isn't public breastfeeding already illegal in most places? As in, it's lumped together with "public indecency" and women who attempt it are cited for it. It's perhaps more often looked-over than streakers and whatnot, and it occasionally makes the news if the arresting officer is particularly rude about it, but I'm pretty sure they aren't allowed to do that. So yeah, there is a way to prevent women from breastfeeding in public, and they're doing it currently.

And as far as what society finds 'sexual', the entire female body is sexualized, with or without clothes. Just about every woman's worth, at some point or another, is estimated based on her sexual attractiveness, and that determines how she's treated by society. Even with the breasts alone, if someone's going to stare, they're going to do it regardless of whether or not there's skin showing. To suggest that making women deny their infants food because they're in the wrong place for "that sort of thing" will keep their every feature from being sexualized in one way or another by someone is simply an attempt to cover up the true reason for it -- women are expected to be ashamed of their bodies, men are not. The end.

whitebeast 10-17-2009 02:47 PM

There is nothing wrong about breastfeeding in public.

I think there are some public places that have designated areas for it.

People should just mind their own business? ^^

It's when you're not in the proper area for it in public that becomes a problem. If there's no area for it, I suppose going to the bathroom wouldn't be such a bad idea. Problem in that instance is if you don't know where the area and/or bathroom is. D:

I don't what's embarassing about it.

Shouldn't be mothers be proud that they're actually giving their babies what's due? I know women who get frightened by the idea of it since it deforms their breasts for good or sth. O_o

However~ I do think that you shouldn't be bringing out such young babies out in the public in the first place. Shouldn't they stay home where it's a far more safer environment than to bring them in public areas? Babies who are still breastfeeding aren't that strong yet and need to be kept in almost sterile conditions if possible.

The only instance when they should be taken out is when it's time to see the doctor or some really inescapable family event.

Otherwise, please let them stay home where it's safe.

@[email protected] A mall is not a safe place.

Whenever I see babies being breastfed, I don't mind much. Then I continue on with the thought of why did their parents have to bring them out bothers me.

Worse I think I saw breastfeeding/bringing out of the super young baby once when I was commuting. AND THE VEHICLE WAS OPEN AIR.

I began to worry about the kid's immune system.

I have odd concerns I know. >_>;

Slide 10-17-2009 07:10 PM

I don't think there's anything wrong with it! A mothers gotta do what a mothers gotta do ya know! When I notice somebody's doing it I just ignore it because I'm pretty sure the mom doesn't want stares. So if you see it don't get all "Why are you doing that in public?!" Just ignore it. :P

madamelsie 10-17-2009 08:00 PM

i don't have a problem w/ breastfeeding in public. i just don't want to see anything, as in the way of partial boob or whatever. i've heard that in switzerland or somewhere like that, they have special cafes for breastfeeding mothers. i think that's genius. not just b/c they're out of the public eye, so to speak, but b/c they're around people going through the same thing they are, so they can communicate w/ other mothers and stuff. that's a great idea.

Tsukipon 10-17-2009 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by madamelsie (Post 1765245458)
i've heard that in switzerland or somewhere like that, they have special cafes for breastfeeding mothers. i think that's genius. not just b/c they're out of the public eye, so to speak, but b/c they're around people going through the same thing they are, so they can communicate w/ other mothers and stuff. that's a great idea.

you know, I think that is genious! That would be really cool if we had something like that in the US, if there aren't placed like that already.

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Originally Posted by Philomel (Post 1765243828)
Um, forgive me if I'm mistaken, but isn't public breastfeeding already illegal in most places? As in, it's lumped together with "public indecency" and women who attempt it are cited for it. It's perhaps more often looked-over than streakers and whatnot, and it occasionally makes the news if the arresting officer is particularly rude about it, but I'm pretty sure they aren't allowed to do that. So yeah, there is a way to prevent women from breastfeeding in public, and they're doing it currently.

Though the act bothers me personally, I don't think it should be illegal. I think if women breatffeed, they could be out of public but I guess sometimes that cannot be the case. I would look away and keep about my business if I saw that. I actually have never seen a woman breatfeed in publlic though. I just don't think it should be illegal. How can a mother feeding her child be illegal? Don't like? - Don't look.

Double S 10-17-2009 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Kris (Post 1765239643)
The women are inconsiderate?
Well, pot, meet kettle.

How can you sit by and declare that a woman feeding her child is inconsiderate, when you basically just asked a woman to stay at home until her child is old enough to eat on its own? :| Honestly, such hypocrisy is astounding.

These women don't do it because they want people to see it. They do it because their child needs to eat. I'm sorry if it's a newsflash to you that children eat, but, hey, it's a fact of life. Shocking, isn't it? Who ever heard of a child needing to feed, right?

I honestly think that asking people to cater their actions to you, because you are prudish against nature, is more inconsiderate and rude than most things a person can do. If I need tampons should I be disallowed to go to a male clerk, because it might make him uncomfortable? Should I not read books or magazines about women's sexuality because it might make someone feel "icky"? Should I not talk about homosexuality because it'll make someone uncomfortable?

Or, since everyone has different things which make them feel uncomfortable, should we leave it to the person at fault to deal with their fault, instead of burdening and hurting women and children?

Firstly, can you read? And don't even go about how I am attacking you, because you completely disregared my post. Don't sit there and type out a few paragraphs because of the first few lines.

Of course babies eat. Everyone does. And you know what? So do grown people.
I shouldn't have to be on a train and see a woman just pull down her shirt, or whatever she may do, and have the baby drink milk. It's not like no one is going to look when a woman pulls out her boob, whether they are perverted or just freaked out.

There are pumps. Baby formula. They do not have the breastfeed in public. And my sister tried the pumps, and she said they didn't hurt. Not to meantion that my entire family was fed via formula, and we are all fine. As have my nephews & nieces, and they are more then healthy/smart. My half-sister was breastfed, and she's not in the best health at all. I'm not saying breastfeeding is unhealthy. But niethe is the formula. So, don't try to tell me that women have to feed their children in public using their breasts.

It has nothing to do with what is natural, it's about caring about those who are around you. Reading a homosexual magazine is not the same as coming on the train with your lover and having sex. Tampons are advertised on TV. He will get over it. Breastfeeding? Not on TV. Well, nowhere available to those under 18.

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Originally Posted by madamelsie (Post 1765245458)
i don't have a problem w/ breastfeeding in public. i just don't want to see anything, as in the way of partial boob or whatever. i've heard that in switzerland or somewhere like that, they have special cafes for breastfeeding mothers. i think that's genius. not just b/c they're out of the public eye, so to speak, but b/c they're around people going through the same thing they are, so they can communicate w/ other mothers and stuff. that's a great idea.

This idea is wonderful, and should be put into place in more countries/cities.
Because women do not have to be confined to their homes/cars/whatever, and can be in the company of others. Bonding, and making friends!

Keyori 10-17-2009 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Double S (Post 1765245758)
Firstly, can you read? And don't even go about how I am attacking you, because you completely disregared my post.

I'm not really sure what this is about, but based on your attitude it seems like an attack to me. Just saying.

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Originally Posted by Double S (Post 1765245758)
It's not like no one is going to look when a woman pulls out her boob, whether they are perverted or just freaked out.

You know, if we changed the social stigma to be that people are respectful and intentionally look away, then no one would look. But we, as a society, have to change.

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Originally Posted by Double S (Post 1765245758)
There are pumps. Baby formula. They do not have the breastfeed in public.

In a perfect world, sure. I don't think you're aware of the cost of those things though. Not all mothers can afford it.

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Originally Posted by Double S (Post 1765245758)
It has nothing to do with what is natural, it's about caring about those who are around you.

It shouldn't be. It absolutely should not be. Breastfeeding is natural, and in no way should we condemn it. Society should change to be respectful towards breastfeeding mothers, instead of staring and ridiculing and whispering under breath about how indecent the mother is.

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Originally Posted by Double S (Post 1765245758)
This idea is wonderful, and should be put into place in more countries/cities.
Because women do not have to be confined to their homes/cars/whatever, and can be in the company of others. Bonding, and making friends!

My last summer job had a mother's lounge just for that. Unfortunately not all companies see the value in this, and personally I think it would be less expensive from an infrastructure standpoint and more considerate from a social standpoint to just allow mothers to breastfeed in public.

If we teach children that it's okay for mothers to breastfeed in public, then that is how it will be. We can change things, but you have to be willing.

It is wrong that we have taught women to be ashamed of their bodies. It is wrong that we condemn them to bathrooms and cars and homes because their breasts are icky evil sexual things. It is insulting to tell them to hide themselves if they want to quiet a crying hungry infant. It is insulting to say, "No, we are on an airplane, go hide yourself in the toilet so your spawn will stop disturbing everyone else, don't you dare do it out here."

Are we no better than cultures that cover up womens' hair, face, ankles, and arms? I don't think we are. We can't even let mothers feed their children. Because people think it's gross and unnatural and you should just do it some other way because I am offended that you would do something the way we have done it for centuries.

Double S 10-17-2009 09:52 PM

Surely, breastfeeding is natural, but so is reproduction, and the act of sex.

And no one wants to see that.

Kris 10-18-2009 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Double S (Post 1765246280)
Surely, breastfeeding is natural, but so is reproduction, and the act of sex.

And no one wants to see that.

Yes, because it is a sexual act.

Explain to me this: how is breastfeeding a sexual act? How is a child eating a sexual act?

I'm glad your sister could pump, but your sister is not everyone. What is good for one person is not good for everyone. For someone women, pumping just doesn't work. For others, it is too painful to do. Formula is expensive and not as good for the child.

madamelsie 10-18-2009 01:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Kris (Post 1765247494)
Explain to me this: how is breastfeeding a sexual act? How is a child eating a sexual act?

I don't think that was quite the point Double S was making. She was just saying it's a natural act that no one wants to see. Don't think she meant it was a sexual act.

Philomel 10-18-2009 01:38 AM

And I don't think Kris was saying Double S thought breastfeeding was a sexual act. She was saying that intercourse is a sexual act, which is why we're not okay with seeing it in public. It isn't because there's nudity, because there are ways around that which don't detract from the offensiveness of it in a public setting. It's not violent, it's (usually) not breaking any laws besides the obvious. So, there's no real comparison between sex and breastfeeding.


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