The pediatrition who raped/assaulted over 100 children, what should his punishment be?
 

yeh..Debate about what his punishment should be..I vote on sending him to a prison in outer space...if we had a prison there...Don't want him here on this planet...

I'm guessing his punishment will be life in prison, plus a class-action lawsuit on behalf of the parents of the affected children. And he'll lose his license.

But I can't make a call on what his punishment should be, any farther than what the law already dictates.

I am certainly hoping it ends up being life in prison..without chance of parole..if he got parole I would be so angry.

But you could state your opinion on what it should be..

I also forgot that he'd obviously also have to register as a sex offender.

I'd hope he doesn't get parole. I think he should be punished to the fullest extent of the law.

I think that he should be isolated in a high-security prison. Like, isolated. Alone. In a cell. With no one to talk to, not let out; his food is given to him through a door, he has a restroom in his cell, and he never talks to another soul again in his life.

That is the most severe punishment imaginable, don't you think?

I think that can be considered cruel and unusual though, since people can die from not having contact from other people at all.

So, perhaps long periods of isolation, with intermittent contact with others.

I vote for chemically nutering him and putting him in prison for life without parole

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Off topic but I clicked your eggs :D

i would say that we should wait and decide how due process will take his course.

but if we had the chance to deal out punishment ourselves, i guess life imprisonment to death via humane methods should be dealt.

He should go to jail, a regular jail and have karma kick his ass like he deserves. Let's see ho he likes it when big thugs do to him what he did to countless little kids!

Um, can we stop promoting murder and rape as punishments, please? It's one thing to support legal killing in the name of revenge, but it's really disturbing how quickly a right to bodily integrity and the ability to give or withhold consent gets thrown out the window when people are pissed off. You people need to remember that it is not who the victim of this act was that makes it horrible, it is the act itself. I would also like to mention how amusing/infuriating it is, what people are saying about him. If I hear one more "I'd never have taken my child to someone who looks like THAT!", I'mma smack somebody. Yes, it wasn't that someone who was either a pedophile or just an opportunistic sexual sadist was given absolute trust with children on a daily basis, it's his beard and long hair that made him hurt all those kids.

Now that that's out of the way, I definitely think he needs to be given a life sentence. As many in this forum know, I am against pointless punishment, but considering how many children he hurt, and how long this went on, and all that he was willing to risk to do it, I don't think he would ever stop and the only way to positively ensure that he will not ever be around another child and have the opportunity to hurt her is to keep him locked up. I do think they'll probably need to keep him separated from the general populace for his own safety. I don't buy into this idea of inmates killing every child molestor that walks through the door, but considering how publicized his crimes have been, he'll definitely have a target on his back.

Thanks for saying this. I was thinking it, but every time I tried to put it into words it came out as a string of obscenities :lol:

That man is sick in the head.
I vote for prison for life with no chance of parole and psychiatric counseling.

I know what he has done is absolutely atrocious and makes me want to throw up, but he needs some kind of help.
He will pay for what he has done in prison after he mulls it around in his head and others find out.
But he didn't murder anyone. Anything involving death is too harsh. And bodily harm is illegal.

Castration, plain and simple. Rapists, especially those who rape children, should get thier dicks cut off.

Sorry for anyone offended, but the future mother in me does not tolerate abuse against children. Rawr mama bear rawr

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chemically eh? You're much more kind then I

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Originally Posted by xtoxicenvyx (Post 1766628196)

Ahahahaha that sounds so dirty xDD

I have found that a lot of people think that using violence to prevent violence is the way to go, but that just doesn't work. We need to go to the root of the crime, figure out why we have such high crime rates, and try to fix that problem, instead of spending all our time and energy on punishments. They obviously need punished, and in this case I wanna shoot the guy's dxck off... but i know that won't resolve anything.. We need to try to fix the problem that is causing our society to fall apart...

Anyways...

@Philomel: I agree that he needs to be put away somewhere for the safety of children in our society..he obviously has some problems that he needs to work through.

@Admiral Nano: I agree that he obviously has some problems and needs some counseling, but the insanity plea doesn't work often, and I believe that he needs to stay in prison for a while to think about what he has done wrong..I know he obviously has mental problems..but he's been doing this for years and never bothered to even try to seek help. i dunno...but that's what I think..i think.. i dunno, kinda in debate with myself right now....I can't believe this went on for so long without anybody realizing it..

going to the root of the problem is all well and good, and the theory is sound, but putting that into practice? It is not easy, nor is it practical.

Society (ALL societies) have a LOT of root problems, and it is those problems that are the most difficult to fix. Education and counseling are important, but there are SO many issues and SO many people that it is impossible to eradicate all of the factors that contribute to something like this. Especially when the factors themselves are not even that well known.

And when we are presented with an individual like this, swift, immediate action is needed. Yes he has mental problems. Yes he is disturbed. You know what? i don't care. he Abused. Children. THAT is what i care about. This man needs to be punished, harshly and swiftly, because of what he did. We can bemoan the state of society later.

So, your solution to the problem (unless kids being raped by the people they trust isn't a problem, in your eyes) is revenge? I have to say, that sort of shows where your concern lies, and it certainly isn't with the victims. Punishing people does nothing but make you feel better. It doesn't stop others from committing the same acts, because they know as well as we do that they must commit the acts AND get caught before they can be punished, and rapists, particularly those of children, are rarely caught because they're rarely reported by the victims. Sure, let's "chop off his dick", as one person so eloquently put it. Let him be raped. Let him be brutally murdered. And it might make you feel good to see someone you dislike so much in so much pain because really, we all have a sadistic streak in us, but it will not prevent a single child from being harmed. If anything, it might make the potential child predator watching the news say, "Well THERE'S where he went wrong; don't let them live and they can't tell anyone". Social reform is what stop victims from being made in the first place. That's what is most important to me. I don't care how brutally I punish someone after they do something, that something they did can never be taken back and the victim of their actions can't be un-victimized. I'd prefer to put my energy into preventing it from happening in the first place. So kindly keep your revenge fantasies to yourself, and stop mocking the people who are actually trying to find solutions to the problem.

@ bl00dy: I'm not condoning him to make the insanity plea. In fact, I believe that the insanity plea is the biggest joke of a safety net psychopaths, sociopaths, and anyone else who claims to have a mental disability (unless documented by a doctor) have when they're in court. (I know it sounds contradictory, but they know what they did.) As for nobody realizing it, children are very easily intimidated. Why do they not speak up when they're being bullied in school until they end up depressed, beaten up, or something bad happens? The doctor must have scared these kids into keeping quiet. Or, he could have gone the "I have candy!!" route. I don't know for sure. But either way it was quite wrong. The creep will pay for what he has done.

Um, considering that it's only attempted in something like 2% of court cases and works only a fraction of the time (a psychologist must testify that they are not mentally accountable for their actions, and even then it's unlikely the defense will work), it's hardly a "safety net". Furthermore, being judged insane does not mean you necessarily don't know what you did. It could be the inability to control what you did or, as with children who commit crimes, the inability to distinguish right or proper behavior from wrong. For instance, in the case of sociopaths, while they rarely are allowed to plead insanity because they are, for the most part, highly functioning people who few feel any sympathy for, they lack empathy, among other things, meaning that they have no reason but the chance of punishment to not hurt others. And, as they're often self-destructive anyway, that's not much of a deterrent. And, even if they successfully use the insanity defense, they don't just get set free. They will, most likely, spend the rest of their lives in mental hospitals that, in all likelihood, are worse than prison would have been.

Sorry for the rant, but it upsets me when people act like the insanity plea is an excuse or get-out-of-jail-free card.

I'm not saying that it's a get-out-of-jail free card. I know people have been sent to prison regardless of whether the insanity plea went through or not.

I think he should get an indefinite sentence to prison. He will only be able to get out once he is proven to have been rehabilitated...aka lots of psychological tests and essays he will have to write and just a lot of work to prove that he has changed. But I do believe people can change. And even after he gets out (if he gets out) he would still be monitored.. I just don't think that life imprisonment is necessary if there is thorough proof that the convicted can change his/her ways. The point isn't to punish, it is to keep the menaces of society out, and I think that as long as he is no longer a menace he shouldn't need to be locked away. His freedom, of course, could potentially never be obtained however.

First of all, insinuating that children being raped isn't a problem to me is ridiculous and purposfully inflammatory and wrong. I obviously found it an issue, so chill the fuck out at attack me for what I'm REALLY saying.

On that vein perhaps i did not express myself clearly enough (so full of Teh Rage as I was) so let me clarify. I am not in the least bit against social reform. I Like social reform. It's a very good and necessary thing. I am, however, a realist, and as a realist i understand that social reform is difficult, arduous, expensive and takes a LOT of time. And in that time, we still have children being abused.

Now, I would be offended by your insinuation that all I care about is violence and revenge and making myself feel better for the atrocities that happen, but since you so obviously misinterpereted everything i said, I'll let it slide. What this man did? It was horrible in ways i don't even want to think about. And yes, as a society, things need to be done so that this never happens again. And as an individual this man needs to pay for what he has done in a way that measures up for his crime. Is that not, after all, justice? And far from inspiration, harsh crimes are a deterrent for criminals, and killing children is not a good way to wash ones hands of a situation. Everyone notices a missing child. Everyone notices a dead child. Not many notice a child that is small and frightened and too terrified to speak.

Harsh punishments are a deterrent, that's why murderers get harsher punishments than scam artists. Prevention is better than correction. Naive idealism gets jack shit done so think about what you say before you poke the angry bear

I insinuated nothing. I merely made a note of it in case you tried to back away from 'children being harmed' as the problem and toward something else.

Harsh punishments are not a deterrant. The harshest punishment we have, the death penalty, does not serve as a deterrant. Like I mentioned, to get punished, you must get caught, and everyone thinks they are smart enough to not get caught, or at that moment view it as being worth the risk. Social reform is the only thing that does have any chance of working. If you wait until after someone has committed a crime, it is too late. And you bitching at people for discussing how they might prevent things like this from happening in the future instead of continuing the same old crap that we know doesn't work definitely doesn't help.

Why give him life in prison without parole? That bastard deserves to be executed. One shot to the head, simple and effective. ;)

I know that the system works in its own ways, but since this is asking what should the punishment be...I'm sticking to my statement.

Once again, you misunderstand me. I am beginning to think it deliberate at this point. Let me restate

I did not think it was necessary to spell this out because i figured that the above statement highlighted my sentiments pretty clearly, but i was mistaken. For that i apologize.

I want very much for society to reform. I want to take the steps toward social reform. I want to prevent this kind of thing from ever happening again because i do not want any child to ever experience such horrible and scarring abuse.

In other words, to restate my point once more to hopefully circumvent any possible confusion, I think social reform is important and necessary and that prevention is better than correction and that we need to do it. I also know that such a massive undertaking will by nature be imperfect, expensive, longterm and take a huge amount of manpower. In the meantime there are children being abused and abusers who, whatever you may feel about my emotions on the matter need to be punished. Do you suggest we forgo the punishment of all criminals solely because thier punishments do not stop other criminals for doing the same thing? If we do not punish insurance fraud, you can bet your sweet butt that joe schmoe who wants to scew over the corporations would come out of the woodwork by the millions to claim money that is not thiers. If we do not punish those who rape children, you can bet your ass that what we will get is a whole bunch of raped children. Absolutely harsh punishments are a deterrant. As far as death penalty and deterring, we could each probably find five different sources for each side, because, really, how do you measure deterrance? Surveys? "Did you keep from commiting a murder in the past one (1) year because you were afraid of getting the death penalty?" a if yes, b if no.? Statistics? Ever hear of correlation does not mean causation? I'm not saying that such statistics are WRONG, I am simply stating that at the end of the day, no one really knows.

And I am not "bitching" at anyone. I am stating a radical opinion in a vehement way and am disagreeing with those who think that a harsh punishment is not warranted here. If you feel that i am "bitching" at you, perhaps when one phrases their argument in a way that is not personally inflammatory against the person they are arguing against, they will receive a reply that is both well thought out and devoid of the "bitchiness" that one may exude when being attacked.

Just a thought, of course. I could be wrong.