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MasterOfSpazz 09-17-2011 07:31 PM

when I got one the person was the same gender as me. I'm sure you could ask about making sure it was the same for you

Kah Hilzin-Ec 09-17-2011 10:01 PM

It's time to celebrate! :cool:

*points at page number*
:ninja:

MasterOfSpazz 09-17-2011 10:10 PM

Are you being Dirty Kah?
lols ^_^

Kah Hilzin-Ec 09-17-2011 10:19 PM

Am I? *winknudgewink* :P

MasterOfSpazz 09-17-2011 10:23 PM

Lols, I think joo are Kah ^_^
but that's ok.
Spazz is kinda dirty too sometimes >.>

`Kitami 09-18-2011 12:04 AM

Spazzy:: It doesn't matter, I'm equally scared of men and women. People of both genders have hurt me.

Kah:: 69!! :P

I'm pretty much always dirty, at least in my mind. Makes life more fun. :lol:

MasterOfSpazz 09-23-2011 05:42 PM

Spazz has come to the conclusion that gender should not exist.
It is rather useless.

sarofset 09-23-2011 08:12 PM

It is a useless social construct. I've said this before. ...Of course someone jumped all over me for it, but still.

The_Crow 09-23-2011 08:33 PM

Gender is a social construct. I'm still annoyed that it comes into play when you're setting up an RP, but it is what people expect... I can't tell all my players to be androgynes.

MasterOfSpazz 09-23-2011 10:07 PM

Yush. Is very useless

Glitter Golgotha 09-24-2011 07:01 AM

I wouldn't say that gender is useless, nor would I say that it is entirely social. Gender roles, maybe, but not the concept of gender itself.

MasterOfSpazz 09-24-2011 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Glitter Golgotha (Post 1769922310)
I wouldn't say that gender is useless, nor would I say that it is entirely social. Gender roles, maybe, but not the concept of gender itself.

I believe it is. Gender is a construct of your sex. Sex is not useless, tell the males from the females. Gender tells you what is expected of your sex. Gender and sex often get confused.
Atleast that's my take on it

sarofset 09-24-2011 09:44 PM

The thing is that it's completely arbitrary, as evidenced by the fact that some cultures have different ones, or more than two gender roles.

MasterOfSpazz 09-25-2011 11:10 PM

Such as what Saro? I'm not exactly a buff on other cultures ^_^

sarofset 09-26-2011 12:01 AM

You know how in America and most of the west, women have traditionally been the ones to stay home, and gave been called housewives? Well in Germany, it's not like that. Being a "Hausman" is, and has been fairly common. No one thinks you're a wuss, no one calls you a freeloader, it's great. lol. Also in ancient Egypt women could own land, have positions of office, etc.

MasterOfSpazz 09-26-2011 12:03 AM

Oooo, cool
*hugs Saro*

sarofset 09-26-2011 12:04 AM

o///o

Thank you spazzy. :)

`Kitami 09-26-2011 02:59 AM

Spazzy:: My favorite thing that I've learned about a culture (relating to gender anyway) is about berdache or "two-spirit people". These were Native Americans, usually men, who would dress and act like women, and were allowed to marry men if they wanted, because essentially they had two spirits- one of a man and one of a woman.
Thing is, they weren't social outcasts or anything because of this, they were actually highly respected and sometimes considered to be holy, chosen people.

The_Crow 09-26-2011 07:20 AM

I kept one book from one of my university courses titled Women and the Conquest of California because there is a paragraph talking about the Native Americans/First Nations/Indians and how they had at least a dozen different names for gender types, not our binary, and they all seemed respectable, and as you said sometimes 'holy'. I might quote that paragraph on the front page. They really went all out and covered everyone. There would even be a name for Saro's gender role in Native American theory. Our binary... is just too limiting.

Quote:

Originally Posted by `Kitami (Post 1769928223)
Spazzy:: My favorite thing that I've learned about a culture (relating to gender anyway) is about berdache or "two-spirit people". These were Native Americans, usually men, who would dress and act like women, and were allowed to marry men if they wanted, because essentially they had two spirits- one of a man and one of a woman.
Thing is, they weren't social outcasts or anything because of this, they were actually highly respected and sometimes considered to be holy, chosen people.


Kah Hilzin-Ec 09-26-2011 08:23 AM

As close-knit communities, I wouldn't be surprised at their recognition and acceptance of different gender identities and preferences. It is when communities become too large, when you cannot know everyone's name, when we start to feel the need for a very limited number of stereotypes to keep a social order. Hopefully, the larger societies will learn how to behave despite a bigger gender-ids catalog in a future not so far.

TanaChan 09-26-2011 08:01 PM

Tana's Luck is turning around!!!!!!! *squeals happily*
I now has a bf, and I get to move out of the shitty little barracks room I live in!!!! YAY!!!!!

`Kitami 09-26-2011 08:07 PM

:D Congrats Tana!!
I'm happy for you! :hug:

TanaChan 09-26-2011 08:16 PM

O_o Kitami ish preteh.....but also scary >.>

mikuhiko 09-26-2011 08:29 PM

When I was younger... I had toy cars and I had barbies, I had dresses and I had pants.. my hair was short and then long, I never liked the color pink I loved the color blue, my mother supported my 'lack of feminine qualities' whole heartedly while the rest of the family worried about how I would turn out. Currently I love wearing men's shirts and jackets but my hair is longer than most 'girly girls' that I know. Heck I still love toy cars and dolls the same when I was younger, my fiancee is a guy but we both think we were meant to be the other gender because of the qualities we have, mind you i'm more maternal than he is... anyways this is a long post eheh, i'm just happy to be myself no matter if people label me as things i am not or think i should be different. I only own one dress but i have 5 men's shirts and 2-3 men's jackets and i own men's sneakers. sooo... pffft to gender stereotypes for me. ^^; I'll stick with just being me. no matter how 'weird' that is by normal real life standards.

TanaChan 09-26-2011 08:31 PM

But being weird is the fun part ^_^


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