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Urbeth 07-19-2010 05:27 PM

Harsh or not, I am being honest. And to me that is important. My reasons for posting it inside the OOC were for everyone to understand and know how I feel. I have tried not to say anything because we're all supposed to be nice and get along, but what good is being nice when you're not having fun? I thought that was the point of role-playing to have fun--for everyone to have fun--not just a few people.

Pip, I know that you started this event because you felt nothing was really happening in the role-play. But I felt plenty was happening. My character was finally getting introduced to the other characters. But the event itself must be played out a certain way to a certain end--the end you want. You tell other players that their characters need to respond a certain way because it's what you think it should be. Annalesia even said that people would play their characters out the way that they thought best.

So I don't want to have to "just nod and agree" anymore--if standing up and voicing my feelings makes me mean and harsh, then I'll take the criticism. If it means that I should leave the role-play, I will do it, but I have stayed because I have been asked to. I am not asking you to agree with me or change everything for me, but I would appreciate being heard and respected--not told constantly to just go along with whatever needs to happen for the event to be perfect.

I am not asking you to quit the role-play but I think you could try to respect other players and not ask that they "just nod and agree" to get what you want.

Pip 07-19-2010 07:01 PM

I never expected it to be this long winded. In my mind it was a relatively short event. I'm accepting of opinions, but wouldn't you be a little peeved if you'd been under a constant strain to make everyone happy, and then someone else comes along telling you you're doing it all wrong in their opinion?

Alright, maybe I am unbearable sometimes. That I can admit, at least. And maybe I am bossy, moody, angry, big-headed, arrogant, annoying, short-tempered, misunderstanding sometimes, a little pessimistic, and a bitch a lot of the time. There you go. I've just told you most of the things people hate me for. Yes, I am ordering you around. Yes, Anna has slapped my hands for it. Yes, many people have complained about it. But you may have to put up with me, because like you say, I shouldn't change the event completely, as this would bring us back to square one and ruin it completely.
And anyway, I meant the "Just nod and agree" in a completely different context. A context that is as follows;
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Originally Posted by Pip (Post 1767856483)
I search Gamma Rays before I did all this, just to work it out.

I know, Flux, but like Dia said. Fantasy. And this Gamma ray storm is a storm caused by a Sun storm. (Just nod and agree for now. It was this or a freezing star. )
The acid is not just more exotic, it has a completely different molecular structure. Elements that have nothing to do with Earth. ^^

As you see above, I said this to avoid a lengthy conversation that would go around in circles because we are in an RP where we have a shapeshifter, mind reader, etc. And also because I was not willing to waste my time proving a brain child of mine if it is unprovable. This is a fantasy RP. You readily accepted my character Seraphin, even though there was no proof that it was possible. You readily created a character that could control gravity without there being proof to it.
If you can accept all those things, why are you unwilling/unable to accept my magical Gamma Ray storm?

There, I said my part. It may be harsh, but like you said,
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if standing up and voicing my feelings makes me mean and harsh, then I'll take the criticism.
I'm not undermining anyone's authority. Sure, before the event your character was making friends, but I think that for a large proportion of the rest of us, nothing was really happening except from pointless posts on my part. Megumi's and Seraphin's conversation was more of a non-versation. (no offense Dia.)
Darcy was completely unwanted and out of character.
Maybe something was going on, and maybe I'm ignorant saying it wasn't. But like you said, we came here to RP in order to have fun. Is it fair that everyone but one person is having fun?

diamondt 07-19-2010 07:04 PM

I like nonversations the best really XD Very interesting and yet you're not saying anything at all XD

Annalesia 07-19-2010 07:12 PM

Sorry guys. It took forever for me to figure out how to get the internet here to work.
And I'm trying to keep from getting super depressed...

diamondt 07-19-2010 07:14 PM

Aww ._. *huggles... or pretends to be* We'll listen if you want to tell... And else we'll just huggle you as far as we can ^-^

Annalesia 07-19-2010 07:18 PM

I had to leave my boyfriend's..
I won't see him again until Christmas.

diamondt 07-19-2010 07:27 PM

Until christmas? That's quite the while o.o You guys do have skype or something, right?

Annalesia 07-19-2010 07:33 PM

No, we don't. But that's what happens when you are underage with a long distance relationship. You can't help who you fall in love with.

We'll see each other on holidays every few months. Then we'll be together for the summer. But at the end of the summer he gets shipped off to the war for five years.

It's definitely a hard relationship..

diamondt 07-19-2010 07:37 PM

Five years...? Then my assumption he isn't underaged wouldn't be that of a stupid one right?

Annalesia 07-19-2010 07:39 PM

He's seventeen. He turns eighteen in February though.

diamondt 07-19-2010 07:41 PM

Ouch... I can't understand, but I do feel with you ^^; Which is practically the only thing I can do sitting on my chair in holland ._. *feels useless.. well useless in this situation.*

Annalesia 07-19-2010 07:41 PM

It's okay. My mom will be back in town on Wednesday so I won't be alone anymore.
It would be easier if he would text or talk on the phone though..

diamondt 07-19-2010 07:42 PM

Can't he? o.o And don't you both have an account at some site like facebook or something? o.o

Annalesia 07-19-2010 07:44 PM

No. He doesn't really do computer stuff because he has to focus on school and marine training.
He doesn't like to text and talk on the phone lately...

diamondt 07-19-2010 07:52 PM

Aww... ,_, That's quite sad towards you...

Annalesia 07-19-2010 07:55 PM

Yep...I might not be able to post for awhile actually. I'm having trouble with it..

diamondt 07-19-2010 07:55 PM

^^; We'll support you the best we can =3 Right guys?! >o

Pip 07-19-2010 08:27 PM

Ja blad!
We will like... support you, badman!

There. That was my awful chav impression to cheer you up. (:
I am sorry to hear of that, though.

Flux 07-20-2010 01:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Pip (Post 1767866577)
I never expected it to be this long winded. In my mind it was a relatively short event. I'm accepting of opinions, but wouldn't you be a little peeved if you'd been under a constant strain to make everyone happy, and then someone else comes along telling you you're doing it all wrong in their opinion?

Alright, maybe I am unbearable sometimes. That I can admit, at least. And maybe I am bossy, moody, angry, big-headed, arrogant, annoying, short-tempered, misunderstanding sometimes, a little pessimistic, and a bitch a lot of the time. There you go. I've just told you most of the things people hate me for. Yes, I am ordering you around. Yes, Anna has slapped my hands for it. Yes, many people have complained about it. But you may have to put up with me, because like you say, I shouldn't change the event completely, as this would bring us back to square one and ruin it completely.
And anyway, I meant the "Just nod and agree" in a completely different context. A context that is as follows;


As you see above, I said this to avoid a lengthy conversation that would go around in circles because we are in an RP where we have a shapeshifter, mind reader, etc. And also because I was not willing to waste my time proving a brain child of mine if it is unprovable. This is a fantasy RP. You readily accepted my character Seraphin, even though there was no proof that it was possible. You readily created a character that could control gravity without there being proof to it.
If you can accept all those things, why are you unwilling/unable to accept my magical Gamma Ray storm?

There, I said my part. It may be harsh, but like you said,


I'm not undermining anyone's authority. Sure, before the event your character was making friends, but I think that for a large proportion of the rest of us, nothing was really happening except from pointless posts on my part. Megumi's and Seraphin's conversation was more of a non-versation. (no offense Dia.)
Darcy was completely unwanted and out of character.
Maybe something was going on, and maybe I'm ignorant saying it wasn't. But like you said, we came here to RP in order to have fun. Is it fair that everyone but one person is having fun?

My opinions (and that's all they are):
  1. As a player (and it shows in your characters as well), you change moods quite often and suddenly. If you (as a player) would have your character act in a way which is uncharacteristic of them, wait until you're in the proper mood to post.
  2. Darcy seems to have to have to be the center of attention for the entire group.
  3. I have fun with the characters other than Darcy. She seems to need everything to go exactly her way, despite the fact other characters will not act the way she wants them to, and some characters may despise Darcy and scheme to bring her harm. Darcy is a character Quetzalcoatl diametrically opposes, and will actually go out of his way to see her brought to harm; just the conflict of personalities.
  4. People (and characters) are like grains of sand in a fist: the tighter you squeeze, the more slip through the cracks.
  5. This genre went from fantasy to science-fiction the moment you started bringing in a lot of Dr. Who. Although the line between fantasy and science fiction is blurry to begin with, the level and amount of technology Darcy brought in removed the mystery which defines fantasy. When you can claim to be powering a vessel (which can incidentally move through time and space) on a singularity, and the character knows that, you have moved beyond fantasy straight into science fiction. Not that the reclassification is a problem (it does prohibit any of the races or abilities), but then when asked to back the events up with scientific principals, asking one "nod and agree" is not a valid answer.
  6. Annalesia slapped your hand for getting out-of-line. Unfortunately, she's busy with personal issues right now and hasn't been present a whole lot, and her fellow Elite prefers to try to ease over all the bumps rather than make a confrontation (via PM or thread). The rest of us don't have the authority to tell you what we feel Darcy should do (or not), but you feel you have the authority to dictate to us how our characters should respond. Let our characters act the way we have them act and respond to us the way we respond to you; trust that we won't screw your character over because we don't want to ruin your fun any more than you want to ruin our fun.

Urbeth 07-20-2010 02:07 AM

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I'm accepting of opinions, but wouldn't you be a little peeved if you'd been under a constant strain to make everyone happy, and then someone else comes along telling you you're doing it all wrong in their opinion?
All I have ever asked is that you be flexible with introducing events to everyone. Flux and I tried to get out of the event as a whole, but we were forced into it. I spoke up then that I wasn't interested in playing out a Dr. Who role-play. I don't begrudge you borrowing enemies from the series because coming up with them is understandably difficult, but I think that forcing all the players to conform to a specific episode to the point that Megumi is pregnant just like Amy Pond was a bit much in the way of "borrowing".

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Alright, maybe I am unbearable sometimes. That I can admit, at least. And maybe I am bossy, moody, angry, big-headed, arrogant, annoying, short-tempered, misunderstanding sometimes, a little pessimistic, and a bitch a lot of the time. There you go. I've just told you most of the things people hate me for.
This I am ignoring because it's not worth arguing over. But I will say that just because people may criticize you doesn't mean that they hate you. If someone called me bossy, I would try to think about the way I act and try to become a better person--and not blame someone else for finding faults in me.

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Yes, I am ordering you around. Yes, Anna has slapped my hands for it. Yes, many people have complained about it. But you may have to put up with me, because like you say, I shouldn't change the event completely, as this would bring us back to square one and ruin it completely.
It would "ruin" the event, but it wouldn't ruin the role-play. We could all wake up with no memory of what happened and go back to where we left off before the Dream Lord arrived. It would ruin the plot for you because now you have no reason to have Darcy killed off--making all the other characters feel bad about how distrustful they were and how she was such a martyr--and have her reborn--so all of our characters will love her. But even though Doctors are supposed to be reborn different("When she was dying she became a different person. Different looks, different personality, different body but the same brilliant mind."), I am inclined to believe you will play her the same way as Darcy is the embodiment of you.

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And anyway, I meant the "Just nod and agree" in a completely different context.
I know the context but in general, that's all I have been doing for this entire plot-line so you get what you want.

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I'm not undermining anyone's authority.
But you are undermining my freedom as a player to choose not to participate in the current event because the "Birdsong can be heard everywhere", even out of the room, down the hall, by characters who have never even seen the Dream Lord.

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Sure, before the event your character was making friends, but I think that for a large proportion of the rest of us, nothing was really happening except from pointless posts on my part. Megumi's and Seraphin's conversation was more of a non-versation. (no offense Dia.)
That doesn't mean you create an event and force everyone to play it.

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Darcy was completely unwanted and out of character.
Not even sure what your point is with this statement. If you weren't playing her the way that she should have been played, is that really the fault of everyone else?

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But like you said, we came here to RP in order to have fun. Is it fair that everyone but one person is having fun?
So in other words, I am the only person not enjoying myself and I should just quit? If that's the way everyone else feels, then I will. I don't want to bring other players down. But then again, I am not ordering anyone around or asking them to "just nod and agree" all the time either.

emiko_firecaster 07-20-2010 02:34 AM

you know, i dont think your the only one having fun here... though ill admit that it is getting a little to scifi for the fantasy aspect we started out with. the first time i saw darcy i recognized dr who... my thought was however, i wonder how this person will play a time lord. the only problem i have noticed is that you are taking too much from dr who, and not enough from your imagination.

Pip 07-20-2010 05:42 AM

Oh, alright then. I will pass over the critisism against my actual person because I just woke up. Taking apart my whole post. What exactly does that do to prove your own point?
And as for science-fiction and fantasy, does my character have to be some strange half-human, half-plant thing to be seen as fantasy? Sure, Darcy is disliked. I made her that way. Maybe if I stay long enough, her next version will be pleasant because I am sick to death of having to justify the way I play my character.
Do you, in the middle of a play you're watching stand up and have a go at the actor because you dislike them?

Tell me this then, if I am so heavily disliked here, why should I stay? If all I'm doing is annoying people, messing up their characters, bossing people around and causing arguments.
Maybe I should just have Seraphin and Darcy pop their clogs. It'd save us all an awful lot of time. But I actually want to RP, and seeing as this one seemed fine, I joined it. The leader wasn't an idiot or a hypocrite. The leader is extremely pleasant, the people are thoughful. I think that I know that, both Urbeth and Flux are very pleasant. But I'm not. I seem to be unsuitable for roleplays. I want to try, I do. I'm just unwanted. I'll tell Anna. I'll kill Darcy and Seraphin off. You'll have your peace.

EDIT: I am NOT changing my mind. I don't want to have to continue this.

Flux 07-20-2010 06:51 AM

For an experienced RPer (8 years now) to a less experienced one:
  1. Don't give up - you'll never learn anything if you don't do it.
  2. A leader is not born to the position, nor do they come to the position overnight. A leader is born from a follower. Rather than trying to lead immediately, learn from the players around you, note how they react. Only after you understand why the actions of a leader are good (or ill as the case may have it) can you strive to make good decisions. The road is strewn with landmines, and you will run into some; the only thing you can do is prepare yourself and make you recover when you run into one.
  3. Don't be afraid to ask for help if you don't know what to do or have the answer - you're not expected to have all the answers, just to know where to find them.

Pip 07-20-2010 06:56 AM

Lovely, lovely, lovely. Thanks for that, but, I've had my share of landmines. Everytime I joined an RP. Maybe because the creator was often the same, and I knew him and he was an idiot who made important roles for only his closest friends.
I accept that advice, and I thank you for it, but I feel like I'm a wee little primary schoolgirl who is being scolded for not playing nice. Maybe I didn't play nice, but I guess roleplaying on Gaia ruined my perspective. I've roleplayed four years now, acted and written stories even longer.
Gaia ruined my style. I just wanted to start my roleplaying anew, but old habits are hard to break.

Urbeth 07-20-2010 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Pip (Post 1767873041)
Oh, alright then. I will pass over the critisism against my actual person because I just woke up. Taking apart my whole post. What exactly does that do to prove your own point?
And as for science-fiction and fantasy, does my character have to be some strange half-human, half-plant thing to be seen as fantasy? Sure, Darcy is disliked. I made her that way. Maybe if I stay long enough, her next version will be pleasant because I am sick to death of having to justify the way I play my character.
Do you, in the middle of a play you're watching stand up and have a go at the actor because you dislike them?

Tell me this then, if I am so heavily disliked here, why should I stay? If all I'm doing is annoying people, messing up their characters, bossing people around and causing arguments.
Maybe I should just have Seraphin and Darcy pop their clogs. It'd save us all an awful lot of time. But I actually want to RP, and seeing as this one seemed fine, I joined it. The leader wasn't an idiot or a hypocrite. The leader is extremely pleasant, the people are thoughful. I think that I know that, both Urbeth and Flux are very pleasant. But I'm not. I seem to be unsuitable for roleplays. I want to try, I do. I'm just unwanted. I'll tell Anna. I'll kill Darcy and Seraphin off. You'll have your peace.

EDIT: I am NOT changing my mind. I don't want to have to continue this.

  • I picked apart your post to address what I could with clear thoughts and to make it easier to read.
  • I didn't argue the fantasy bit. I have read Fantasy novels with angels which is why I never had a problem with Serephin. I didn't really understand Darcy at all until I the event because I didn't know about Dr. Who.
  • And as for your play analogy, I would stand up and leave a poorly acted play. Although, I wouldn't compare a role-play to a play but rather an improvisation skit in which the actors are forced to react to each other on a whim.
  • I neversaid I disliked you. I have only been trying to tell you that I don't like how you have been manipulating the role-play. I do not like some of the actions you have taken and requests you made because they are unreasonable. But as a person, you are nice most of the time and usually polite about pointing out things and asking people to change things. You do research, which is good.
  • I don't think giving up is the answer either. I think Flux is experienced enough to really help you unlearn your bad habits that you claim you learned from Gaia--which I have seen is not the best place for role-playing. You both did a great job working together to work out the dream stuff for Embeth and Tesla. I would even be willing to let you play out some enemies in our other role-play (Mythic University) on occasion for practice if you would like under Flux's guidance.
  • I don't mind sitting back for a while and letting the event finish. Mythic U is almost ready to start and I have some impatient players.


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