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magikjaz 05-29-2010 10:36 PM
hahaha Lostin - that scared me too when i went away years ago. Short story - when i left i forgot to clean up the clothes from the floor of my room (on the 2nd floor) which actually turned out to be a good thing cuz when they got back from driving me to school they found out my waterbed had sprung a leak and the only thing that saved the floor from collapsing was that my clothes soaked up all the water lol

Lost in Austen 05-29-2010 10:37 PM
WOW!! haha. That's funny. Too bad I don't have a waterbed, cuz then I could use that possible scenario as an excuse to not have to clean up everything. ^___^

magikjaz 05-29-2010 10:39 PM
lol yea - i'm sure moms don't even care tho - it's that whole "if your friends jumped off a bridge would you too?"

Lost in Austen 05-29-2010 10:41 PM
Yup. It definitely falls into that category. :mrgreen:
They say that almost as much as "If you do it right they first time, ya won't have to do it again."

magikjaz 05-29-2010 10:42 PM
haha ain't that the truth! sometimes i think there's a secret parent school where they learn all these sayings ;) since i don't have kids i don't know the secret handshake yet

Lost in Austen 05-29-2010 11:16 PM
Yeah, hehe.

Did you see "Cold Blood" yet?

magikjaz 05-29-2010 11:29 PM
not yet - just saw Vampires of Venice and next week they're showing Amy's Choice - no spoilers but is it good?

Lost in Austen 05-30-2010 12:07 AM
Yeah, I liked it a lot. :)


Non-spoilery facts:

One character said "shitload". I didn't know that was Doctor Who vocab. :XP
A "sick bay, upstairs" in the TARDIS, was mentioned. Cool! :mrgreen:


Spoilery stuffs...X



Sad! Sad! Sad! Sad!!! :cry:
RORY HAS TO COME BACK :(

Scribbled Lore 05-30-2010 12:48 AM
Am I the only one who was displeased with the episode "Amy's Choice?"

Lost in Austen 05-30-2010 01:23 AM
What did you dislike about it?
I thought it was alright.

Scribbled Lore 05-30-2010 01:55 AM
Because it's a bit spoiler-y..

SPOILERX

I was unhappy with the baseline of the plot - that Amy had to choose between Rory and the Doctor and what each of those men represented. It was the "age old" dichotomy of the adventurous, unattainable bad boy and the steady, if boring, reliable boy from next door; will Amy choose to live a life of adventure and daring that in the end is meaningless or will Amy choose what's "best" for her in the long run thereby living the "meaningful" life of a mother and housewife where she has huge regrets in her old age?

Why did Amy have to choose? I really think that the relationships Amy, the Doctor and Rory had developed at this point in the story would have been a great point to leap off into exploring a nonmonogamous relationship between the Doctor and his Companions. These three could have easily formed a Vee with Amy at the point where she could have been romantically (or sexually) involved with both men and the Doctor and Rory could have developed a close friendship. Instead we have it reinforced that monogamy is the only "proper" way to have a sustainable romantic relationship even in a universe full of different possibilities.


Then again I've been unhappy with several aspects of the way they've decided to portray the relationships with the 11th Doctor.

magikjaz 05-30-2010 02:02 AM
scribbled Lore - i haven't seen that episode yet - it hasn't aired on bbca yet and i'm not allowed to search for doctor who on the interwebz cuz hubby and i watch them together - when i watch it I'll have to ask you what you didn't like again

Scribbled Lore 05-30-2010 02:08 AM
Completely understandable!

C.Z. and I actually sat down together to watch the latest episodes online today because we don't have regular access to the BBC America channel. When we're watching a series on a regular basis it's considered a serious breech of protocol to watch an episode without the other and whoever does so ends up on the couch, sans pillow or blanket.

We take our shared fandoms seriously.

magikjaz 05-30-2010 02:18 AM
lol same here! sometimes it kills me to have to wait to watch things cuz he works late and we generally DVR everything.

Scribbled Lore 05-30-2010 02:21 AM
*nod*

We have a series recording set up on C.Z.'s parents DVR and since we see them once a week it's not so bad but we're always a couple days behind everyone else in seeing the new episodes.

DVR and its glorious ability to record an entire series on command is part of the reason I'm going to college and aiming for a Master's in Library Sciences and Information. The freedom to set a recording and go do something else instead of being a slave to the television is so awesome!

Lost in Austen 05-30-2010 02:40 AM

My Spoilery ReplyX


So you don't believe monogamy is necessarily best?
Besides, the Doc never would have gotten involved with her anyway. He's the Doctor, remember? If she had chosen him, he woulda been none too happy about it.

Scribbled Lore 05-30-2010 03:08 AM

Spoiler-y ContinuedX

Absolutely - there's no reason to believe that monogamy is the One True Way of having a sustainable romantic and/or sexual relationship.

The Doctor's refusal to be openly or seriously involved with a Companion is rooted in the belief that a monogamous relationship is the only valid relationship and that these relationships must last for a lifetime. How many times have we seen the Doctor struggle with the issue that his Companions age at a speed and in a way he does not? If it were accepted as common belief that a relationship that is romantic and/or sexual in nature does not have to be a lifelong relationship and still be considered valid then we could see the Doctor finding the companionship he desires in his Companions.

This would mean that we could move beyond using the Companions and their feelings for the Doctor as a catalyst for angst and emotional turmoil on his point as a way to force character development in both the Doctor and the Companions. It would allow the writers for the series to explore a whole new range of possibilities in character development.

Part of the reason that I loved Donna Noble's character so much was because she wasn't the romantically sexual attraction for the Doctor.

Lost in Austen 05-30-2010 03:21 AM
(At this point I think we've moved far enough away from the plot of "Amy's Choice" that we don't need spoiler tags anymore, lol.)

Well, I agree with you about Donna. It was so refreshing to have a companion who wasn't in love with the Doctor!! Especially after Rose and Martha. But I think a lot of us fans were feeling the same way about Amy. We wanted her to stay with Rory.

Let's say they were, in fact, to have this "nonmonogamous" relationship and explore its possibilities, as you say. Rory would have been in constant fear that Amy liked the Doctor more. His already somewhat-troubled self esteem would drop even more every time he saw her smile at the Doctor. It's obvious why monogamy is widely praised and practiced. Chaos generally ensues if you don't stick to that sort of lovelife. :lol:

Scribbled Lore 05-30-2010 04:09 AM
( Agreed. )

I think at this point we have to separate the discussion into two parts; nonmonogamy and the specific case of Amy, Rory and the 11th Doctor.

On nonmonogamous relationships..X

..in these sort of relationships you have to throw out the window what you've been taught all your life is the right way to think about love. There's a lot of cultural baggage surrounding what's considered a normal relationship - the heterosexual pair - and how these relationships work.

Jealousy is no longer considered a deal breaker, or even really acceptable, but rather a way to see that something is off or imbalanced in the relationship; Partner A is upset because they feel Partner B is spending too much time with a social club or group, like a LARP group for example, and Partner A becomes jealous of the LARP group. This is where communication becomes a big factor in the health of the relationship.

Instead of giving Partner B the cold shoulder, initiating a shouting match or getting physically violent with Partner B, Partner A lets Partner B know that they need to talk and they address the problem of Partner A feeling left out or lonely. From there they can find an agreeable solution and viola! Jealousy has been dealt with.

Proper honest communication becomes the lifeline of the nonmonogamous relationship along with the understanding and respecting of boundaries. Honesty with yourself is also vital and knowing and respecting your own boundaries in order to respect the boundaries of others.

It's also important to know and understand that nonmonogamy isn't for everyone but does work for some. These people may not be in the majority but, and this is a personal opinion right here, if there were to be a shift in the way that Society portrays and deals with personal relationships of romantic and/or sexual basis then I think it could become a more common, and accepted, style of relationship.


In regards to the specific case of Amy, Rory and the 11th Doctor...X

..do I think that nonmonogamy would work for these three as the story is at this very moment?

No, absolutely not.

Amy isn't at all honest with herself about what she wants out of life and love. She's doing what she thinks she ought to be doing instead of evaluating and deciding for herself what she wants. I'm personally appalled that she hasn't been forthright with Rory about the complicated feelings she has for him.

Rory has absolutely no self-esteem or respect or respect for Amy. He has no faith in her that she would choose to be with him for her own reasons and that's a shame. He simply does not trust her.

Neither of them have really sat down to talk about what they want out of life, let alone together, and because of that they're coming to the relationship with completely different expectations. That alone could cause the entire relationship to fail without even factoring the Doctor in.

The 11th Doctor is in no place emotionally to even consider being involved in any way with someone else right now; he's still smarting with the emotional trauma he was dealt as the 10th Doctor and he's reacting to that wildly. At any sign of fate or destiny he blindly heads the other direction.

That being said, the 11th Doctor is arrogant and snide. He believes he knows what's best for Amy irregardless of what she wants and makes that quite clear. He has no respect for her as an individual.

In all these three are like text book examples of Ways to Fail in a Nonmonogamous Relationship.


The point I'm trying to make is that it didn't have to be written this way. Instead of breaking new ground in literature and media, the writers chose to rely on, mostly negative, tropes that have already been done a thousand times before in story telling.

TL;DR: Monogamy isn't the end all and Doctor Who is full of relationship fail.

MinaBaby 05-30-2010 05:49 AM
"Wibbly wobbly timey wimey"

One of the best lines ever. Oh... and, "Hello... I'm the Doctor.. Basically, -pause- Run." Super bad-ass line

Hello ^_^ I saw something about the doctor and jumped right in....
So, I had my friend over the other night, and she's never seen Doctor Who before, she was trying to get me to watch a scary movie and I said I don't do scary movies. She wanted to know why, I said, "I have a hard time sleeping after watching certain episodes of Doctor Who, let alone trying to watch a scary movie."
So, I ended up trying to show her the Library episodes, which kept me up for a good week from the ghosting and such, "Donna Noble has been saved. Donna Noble has left the Library." and "Hey, who turned out the lights."
Well, she didn't find that creepy or scary in the least. So I said to her, "Okay then, would you like to see the fan rated "creepiest Doctor Who creature ever"?
HA! So I showed her Blink from season 3 with David as the Doctor. The first time the Angel in the garden moved, she freaked out. When she was in the Police Station and sees them on the church, then blinks and they are right next to her outside the window, she flipped out, "Oh hell no! Oh hell no! Turn it off! Turn it off!" Then near the end when they are in the house watching the Easter Egg on the DVDs and they stop looking at the Angel and then turned with it almost in their faces with it's teeth bared, she screamed BLOODY MURDER. I had to pause it with ten minutes left cause she was flailing and screaming so much. Took me about half an hour to convince her to just WATCH the rest.
Let me tell you, I don't do scary, and I didn't even scream at that episode the first time I saw it.


That was fun -devilish smile-

(Sorry for the uber long post)

magikjaz 05-30-2010 06:02 AM
hahaha that's awesome MinaBaby! 2 of my favorite episodes too! I didn't scream when i watched them, but they stayed with me. Heck, i even get a little jumpy around statues ;)

and side note I"m a huge horror movie fanatic. Right now hubby and I are watching Daybreakers

wibbly wobbly timey wimey has got to be one of my favorite lines ever

MinaBaby 05-30-2010 06:11 AM
"yea, it kinda got away from me."
hehe I soooo loved David Tennant as the Doctor, I wasn't sure if I would like Matt Smith.... but I have to admit, he's good
and I sooo love Amy, loving her accent and her bad-ass attitude
BUT! Donna has GOT to be my favorite, she was his BEST FRIEND and I loved that about her, and she never took any shit from him.
HA that made me think, when she found him again.... the atipose episode or however you spell it....... at the end when she was getting all her luggage and such
"I just want a mate." "WHAT?! You want to mate?! Well not with me mister!"

oh, that was sooo great lol
BTW, does anyone but me feel that it's really shitty of them to bring the Daleks back? yes, yes, I know they are his oldest and greatest enemy... but THEY are the reason that Donna CAN'T remember the Doctor and all of their GREAT adventures, she GREW as a person, and because of the STUPID Daleks, she had to go back to how she was before.... and that's just sad

magikjaz 05-30-2010 06:29 AM
I"m still not entirely sold on Matt Smith - but then it took me almost a whole season to warm up to Tennant after Eccleston - I'm kinda liking Amy so far but i have to admit in hindsight I do think Donna was my favorite companion of the newer Doctors, and yea it's kinda crappy about the Daleks. But like hubby said to me you can't have the Doctor without Daleks ;)

MinaBaby 05-30-2010 06:38 AM
Yea, I know.... but they messed up poor Donna because of those.. those.. THINGS

btw, is it just me, or is the rainbow coloring and new voices creeping anyone else out? and they are bigger too.... like, fatter

Lost in Austen 05-30-2010 12:29 PM
Mina: "You ain't matin with me, Sunshine!" :mrgreen:

spoiler conversation with Scribbled LoreX

Jealousy, competition, anger... they are all part of human nature. Which means, of course, that since the Doctor's not even human, Rory would end up experiencing these emotions on a much greater scale than the Doc would. (Remember in the episode "Human Nature" when it never even occurred to him that the human John Smith might just fall in love? Well there you go. That's how he thinks.)

As to "Would it work out right now?", then no, absolutely not. And you'll see why, after watching "Cold Blood" hehe. :P


Don't read *this* bunch of spoilers unless you've seen "Cold Blood"....X


This is in quotes because I also posted it in our perma-thread.

Quote:
OWE MAI FREEKEENG GAWSHNESS. O-o
This episode had me in tears. I was just beginning to love Rory, too!! And yeah, um, Karen Gillan was so much more convincing in this death scene than the last. xD

My gut feeling is that Rory will be back... But then, it's not like the promo pics showed the Doctor, Amy, and Rory. It was just the first two. So maybe he wasn't meant to be a permanent companion afterall. Dangittt. -_- Well, the fact that the Doctor found the engagement ring is what really confuses me. It's unclear whether HE remembers Rory or not, but he did look curiously at the ring. So maybe that'll be how Amy eventually (and hopefully) remembers him...

And the piece of Tardis shrapnel? HOSHITTT. I was laughing through my tears. Giggling with excitement for the upcoming awesomeness. This is gonna be one cool finale.


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