Meh, it's ok newts, it's just never struck me befor is all lol. Would there be zombies in other countries?

That would depend on the source. I assume the disease would be developed in a lab, and it would either escape through biological warfare, or through a crash at the lab. In the case of the former, it would spread like wildfire. In the case of the latter, it might be isolated to the continent. Of course, for either case, we have to consider infected humans trying to escape without realizing they're going to turn regardless. It wouldn't surprise me if people trying to escape carried it across oceans or country borders, causing more chaos, more spreading, etcetera. Prepare for the worst, I'd say. And that's COMPLETE GLOBAL SATURATION. Of zombies.

Dang... it would be a problem.. We would have to head out to were food can be found or grown, but away from civilization, cause I think if the goverment got invovled, they would bomb the hell out of the infected citys.

Definitely. The worst place you can be is a densely populated area. Cities are a no go, save for very early on to get supplies. And even then you've got other humans to contend with. It's not worth the risk. Best to set up shop somewhere rural, maybe out in the Mid-west if you can make it there. Plenty of open ground for farming, distance and flat land for miles around. If anywhere in America is safest, that's definitely up there on the list. Mountains too, though you'll need warmer clothing and it's more difficult to find somewhere to fortify up there.

I'm glad I live far enough on the edge of town, I can make a quick escape lol

All good stuff!! I'm glad the town I live in is a ghost town!! lol.

My guess for how it's going to take place, I think that it will be developed in a lab, it's hard tell what all government powers would be behind it, seeing as how they are all corrupt money grubbers... so every country is screwed!! I could see them doing it kind of like, have a test group and control group... and it all goes horribly horribly wrong! It would probably start with small groups in all the smaller third world countries, cause they wouldn't test on any of the wealthier countries. However, that doesn't stop it from spreading like wildfire!

I agree with Newt, mountains or big open areas would be best! It would be harder to fortify a spot in the mountains, but well worth it if you could. However, farming might be harder, and also getting to places to find supplies should we start to run low.

I think if there was a zombie virus, it could break out like the Ebola virus almost did in the US. Luckily the strain that exposed itself in Washington had a small tweak in it's DNA and only infected the imported monkeys. Imagine if the original strain broke out. It almost did. They say it would kill 9/10 people or something like that for the strongest strain. The other strains were not as fearsome, but still. And you never showed symptoms until a week after infection, and then it's too late. But all it would take was for an infected person to get on an airline where people were going to fly international, and sneeze on them or in the ventilation system. Voila, worldwide infection.

That is some crazy stuff!! How it can be nowhere, then BOOM.. world wide infection!! However, considering that the odds of the ZA happening.. especially on December 21st 2012, are practically in the negatives, its hard telling how it would happen or what type of virus or infection it would be!! Though I do really /really/ hope that it does happen!! Otherwise all this planning would be for nothing!! lol

Though, it is hard telling, talking about weaker strands and all that. There could be multiple, multiple types of zombies, all over the world!! And just think, those could mutate with other strands... it could be unstoppable!! I don't just mean the infection, but the actual zombies themselves!! Hmm... I WANT IT TO HAPPEN NOW!! I must know what's going to take place! Too many questions!! lol

Yeah, that's the main problem with mountains. You need to be prepared ahead of time. Have supplies for a long time prepared, and that can be difficult, considering the hefty costs that come with owning the property, possibly constructing the base there, food, water. A fresh spring could probably be located, and we could hunt, but I wouldn't want to use anything bigger than a .22 rifle. Sound likes to echo in the mountains. And that'd take a hell of a shot to hunt with. Crossbows or something of that sort would be preferable, if a bit difficult to get used to.

Then there's the problem of getting there. If you can get there, zombies can. And if you travel by vehicle any distance, it's going to be a real attention grabber. But that's a problem anywhere. Travel.

That's very true! We have to hope that we aren't found... preferably by anybody!! Cause as careful as we would be, there'd be that one idiot who leads them all too us!! Costs would only really be an issue if this is being constructed beforehand.. which while it would be the better option, it might not be an option at all!! There could be zero warning, and no time to prepare!!

There would have to be groups of people, some to stay and guard the base, and others to travel out and steal what they could, or hunt, what have you.. regardless, there's obviously a lot of risk involved!! As far as travel grabbing a lot of attention... that's why the cupcake cars are /bad/ ideas!! XD

However the only thing I don't quite agree with, "if you can get there, zombies can." That's true to a point! but if you were able to some what of a tower, no doors or windows on the ground, or second floor levels, just a retractable ladder that may keep the zombies out, unless... they mutate and have wings.. then, everyone is fucked!! lol

Well, that's true. You can take precautions to keep zombies from getting right up inside your shelter, but I meant in a little broader sense. In that, if there are roads and such to get up to a place in the mountains, there's an easy path for a zombie to follow along on.

You're right, though. There can be no time to prepare. The main problem I see with building shelter after the fact though is material. It takes a lot to build even a simple house, let alone one with insulation for the winter months, or supports to hold it up if zombies do manage to reach the legs and beat at them a bit. That's supposing you can gather and transport all the materials without other humans ambushing you and trying to take your supplies. Can't trust anyone in these events. People can be downright bastards, especially when they're surrounded by carnivorous corpses.

Well, that's a good point! They can follow up to a point, but not get inside. I guess really that's the important part!

And it would be difficult building a shelter after the fact. Especially a building with high defenses, and lots of room, should there be more people there than just a couple. However, finding any supplies comes with risk, but in moments like that, it's risk you have to either take, or die! And even if it comes to humans attacking you for supplies, do what you have to do, even if you have to kill them!! Better them than you, and if it's over food, or building materials.. well, those will become worth more than gold in those days!!

Welcome Newt! Good to see ya again!

I think staying mobile in a Zombie World would be best. Settle down for a bit, scavenge/hunt/seasonal grow foods, then when seasons change, pack up and move before drawing too much attention. Use my armored car idea for transport, get a semi with a coal-truck bed and it could make a really good temporary shelter for travel since it can only be entered from the top, not the back, in case they learn to work doors. Cover it up and nobody knows your are there and you are protected from rain if you use a good tarp.

hmm, I'm kinda unsure about the options. Both of them seem like they would work, it's just a matter of what could work the /best/ and that's a tough one!! IF you had a permanent shelter, that was proven to be zombie proof, and a good area to hunt grow, find materials... that would be perfect!! But then it seems like you would have to leave eventually, otherwise you travel out farther and father every time to find supplies when the ones near by dwindle down!! So, traveling may be a better choice.. its just hard telling

It's true both options have advantages and disadvantages. It really depends on where you are and what situation you are in at the start as to which one would be best. Eventually, you'd have to head out if you wanted to know what happened to the world but that could be months or years even if you have a good shelter and supplies like food, water, ect.

Could the zombies get us if we got hold of a fully stocked cruise ship?

Good to see you too, Drizzle. It's been too long.
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Quite true. Frankly, I'd prefer to run into a horde of zeds than a few humans with guns. Humans are unpredictable, and dangerous. Never know who's gonna snap, what they're willing to do to survive, stuff like that.

Frankly, I'd like to get a little patch of land out of the way and build a shelter there big enough for a small group of people to hold out, with some supplies prepared.
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I see a few problems with a mobile fort, though there are with any other plan too. If you're on wheels, you need gas. Stocking up isn't too difficult with gas cans if you make sure to keep them filled, but working pumps could be a problem. Without power, you can't get into them 9 times out of ten. And gas stations tend to be in fairly frequented areas, save for the more rural ones, which means the chance of zeds kicking about there.

Then there's the noise factor. You're driving around in a big truck, you're going to make a fair bit of noise, and anyone with eyes, zed or otherwise, will see you. Never know quite what that's gonna draw in.

It does allow easier finding of supplies, though. I'll give it that, and that can be integral. Especially once you start gathering people. Always fresh ground to tread, maybe picked at by other humans, but probably a fair supply in most places, supposing you stick to the outskirts of towns and such.

@ Gailia: That....is a really good question. Some zombies don't need to breath...but you can't really climb the side of a cruise ship so that's not an issue. You'd need fuel and supplies but you could just dock and use the mobile fort long enough for supply runs....OR combine all the plans. Have a small hold-up place somewhere where you can grow food, use the mobile fort to move back and forth through the fort and ship and for supply runs, then stay on the ship out at sea when possible.

@Winged Newt: Yeah very long! lol. Hope you are good.

Only problem with a ship that big is the need for a proper crew. Maybe something a little smaller. If it's not airborne, then being able to get out to sea would be fantastic. Zombies can't generally swim, so any that try to follow us would end up on the bottom of the ocean floor, maybe picked at by fish. They'd deteriorate that much faster, too.

The currents will take them to Australia.

That place is scary enough without a zombie virus. I'm not getting within 100 miles of there. lol.

LOL, what's wrong with Australia?? XD

I think the ship idea is pretty awesome!! But again, with finding supplies.. you could use a smaller vessel to return to land and find supplies, but what if that boat can't handle the weight? Idk, maybe it would work out fine.

And like Newt said, zombies wouldn't be able to swim (hopefully) that shouldn't be an issue at the very least!! haha

GIANT SPIDERS. nuff said

Considering how strict they are with bringing things into Australia already, I wouldn't be too surprised if they managed to cut off flights and actually avoid the infection. Supposing they got wind of it early enough, that is.
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A decent sized ship should be able to hold a sizable amount of rations for a small band of survivors for several months. The only problem is acquiring said ship and said provisions.

Giant spiders...that can catch birds, 90% of the life forms in Australia is poisonous or venomous too. I still think Hugh Jackman is poisonous if he bites someone.