All believers of any religion seek to proselytize. Even atheists do this with great vigor in the form of teaching Evolution in schools.

I know plenty of christians who believe in evolution. Not teaching it is far more an exercise in pushing religion than teaching it is.

Do you believe in the theory of evolution, Bearzy?

Yes, because I studied biology and there is literally no reason to disbelieve it. I do not, however, think that evolution disproves creation. I see no reason that God (the Christian one, or anybody else's, but I grew up with the Christian one) could not have kickstarted the process. Limiting a figure such as God to human understanding always seems like a bad idea anyway, so why limit Him to having created the world as it stands now?
If you insist on doubting evolution simply because not all of the facts are in, despite the fact that there is ample evidence from a wide range of sources, then I am amazed that you are able to have faith in God on only the word of the Bible.

Do you believe that your 2,999th grandfather was a fish?

I think Bearzy's point was that you can believe in both God and in evolution. It is possible that there is a God or gods who put life onto this earth and after that, evolution made us all who we are today. So neither would disprove the other's existence and they are by no means mutually exclusive.

What do you think of this theory, Mr. Wrong? that both God and evolution can exist together

That's awfully specific, Mr. Wrong. I feel like you're being contrary for the point of being contrary, not actually contributing to the discussion in any way.

I wonder if it is possible for a 2,999th grandfather to be a fish

no, I suppose it is not

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well, animals did come from the ocean right...so maybe it is possible

I will have to ponder this further before coming to a conclusion about the possibility of a 2,999th grandfather being a fish

I'm asking if you believe man evolved from fish.

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I believe as the bible says and that is that God created. There is no mention of any evolutionary process in the bible. You have asked me before how do I know what is the truth and my answer is simply this: if it isn't in the bible, it isn't the truth.

Let's say for the sake of the argument that man did come from fish or that man evolved from apes or chimpanzees then why are there no fossils of creatures that are in the between stages of ape evolving into man?

If fish grew legs and walked out of the ocean then why don't we see fish with legs anywhere? Where are the fossils? Did the evolutionary process stop? Why did it stop?

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I cannot fathom how one can wholeheartedly believe in something when all the facts are not in.
With the word of God, all the facts are in.

Before I answer your questions, I have one of my own. Which translation of the bible do you use? Do you believe that every translation is truth? Even when they contradict one another?

And yes, I believe that we descended from common ancestors to fish. There are no intermediate beings because that's simply not how it works. How it works is that there would have been an ocean dwelling creature that resembled a fish but that would not have been a currently recognisable fish, that had children that were slightly different to it, which would have had children that were slightly different, as according to natural pressures. It's a long and gradual change over many generations, not "one day a fish grew legs". As for us not seeing fish with legs anywhere... axolotls very much exist.

I'm not a scientist, but I do know that the common image seen of evolution is an oversimplification of something that is quite complicated.
If you want to see the in between stages of human evolution take a gander at this.

Your faith in the unfailing nature of the bible is very impressive, I have to say. I personally find it tricky to have true faith in humanity's interpretation of God, so long as churches continue to disagree with one another over the most basic of principles.

Honestly it's more like 125 millionth grandfather might be a fish... or a hamster of sorts.

Mr. Wrong - You seem to be adamant that the world was created in your ideal. The hebrew translation is variable in the way that it can be translated. Additionally language evolves over time (this has been proven) so the original meaning could be lost for many of the words. That is to say, that the entire world may be reading the bible wrong, and not know it.

Also a question for yall... howd you derail a topic about France to religion?

First of all, let me tell you about myself. As salvete and the Wandering Poet are already abundantly aware of, I am a hard sell kind of guy. I don't come off as being diplomatic even when I try. I see the world as having the potential to be very wonderful place if everyone got along. But, obviously we do not. The reason for this, to put it simply, is because most people want to live outside of the word of God either by choice or ignorance.

I believe that anything living your life outside of the bible is insanity. It's an obvious truth to me. Think about this: what if everyone obeyed the Ten Commandments? Would our world be better off? No doubt about it. Like everyone else I have my shortcomings, but I am making an effort.

What I find upsetting is that there are those out there who actively work against God and the word of God. Some are so bold that they even do this from within the church i.e from their own ministry or an existing one. The bible says these people are false teachers and false prophets.

The way I see it, the theory of evolution is born out of a hatred for God or at least that is what is has been perverted into since the time of Charles Darwin. And so these alleged scientists, like Richard Dawkins, are really just rabid atheists bent on turning people away from God and their arguments and proof consistently come up short in proving their theories.

You offered a photo of an ape skull. According to the information provided with the photo this skull is a replica. Frankly, this means the skull could have come from anywhere. Now, I fully understand that the process of evolution is to take millions of years and fish don't evolve into men overnight or in two weeks. But there simply are no fossil remains of an intermediary of ape and man to be found. If there were, it would be touted as the most important archeological find of all time. Alas, the missing link remains missing.

The fish photo you put forth was that of an axoatl, which is classified as an amphibian. And an endangered species at that. Cute thing, though. This only raises more questions about intermediary fossils. What is the next step? Will it be a reptile? An alligator or crocodile? A Komodo dragon? What about the snake? A snake has no legs.

Evolutionists believe that birds are descendants of dinosaurs. But the book of Genesis states that birds were created BEFORE land animals. So, how can a Christian go along with the theory of evolution when Creation and Evolution are so clearly incompatible with each other.

As for the bible I use, its a New King James version. Why do I choose it versus any other translation? Because this was the bible I learned growing up in church. And more recently, it's the bible used by pastors that I trust are teaching the correct word of God. I trust my pastor is teaching the word of God because he consistently references scripture.

It all boils down to faith. Whatever you choose to believe requires faith. Even believing in nothing requires faith since you believe that you are right in choosing not to follow God's word and simply doing as you please.
We've got to stand for something or we will fall for anything.

because Mr. Wrong brought up the Bible