PETA is horrible. They actually love putting animals to sleep if it means that the animal won't be used for something meaningful like food. Here's a story:

A truck with Pigs is going down the road. Mysteriously, there's an accident. PETA arrives on the scene immediately without anybody else knowing about it yet. The police eventually arrive and see that they are trying to euthin... that word which means mercy killing (I suck at spelling). Anyways, the police stop them and the company says they can't do that because these animals can still be cleaned and sent off to the factory. PETA says that they should be allowed to kill the animals.

PETA also TEST ON ANIMALS. That's right, you heard me. Those hipocrites put meat eating animals in cages and big rooms and make them only eat soy and vegatables. These animals die from malnutrition, but they claim they are making progress. I think this is sick, straving poor animals because those hippies want to fight for the underdog, and since racism is pretty much illegal, they choose animals to fight for. They just want to be famous for fighting for someone's rights, they don't care what they kill or strave to death in the process.

I am only against animal testing when it's for cosmetics purposes. Medical is necessary. But what PETA does is just sick. Plain and simple. PETA also pays terrorist organizations to help them blow up buildings and such, always endangering innocent human lives as well as animals. Again, they're theory is that it's better for the animal to die than to have it's body used for a good purpose. They claim that meat factories are torture chambers, as if the people who work there are sick freaks. When in fact, the companies try their best to make sure the animal is put through the least amount of pain possible.

I know all of this because I was very close to a member of PETA at one point in my life, and I decided to do the research, and was so disgusted at what I found that I couldn't even respect that person anymore.

Here here! That's fantastic. XD This point is pro death penilty and anti animal testing for cosmetics, exactly how I feel. XD XD XD

It's simple. If testing on one animal to stop, say, diabetes, duh, of course it's OK, at least it's saving lives. If it's to smear greasy cream on a poor little bunny for the sake of 80 year olds wanting to look 20 again, no. Definately not. PETA takes it too far. I mean, they are just crazy. :\

Get the difference? :'D

EDIT: I read it and realized I sounded mean. XD I didn't mean to sound so... Judgemental, what I meant was that if it's for a good purpose and if the animal tested is in a comfortable situation, with food and cleaned cages that are a good size then testing on them should be OK, I mean, even if they are going to die at least other people will live and the people after that will benefiet from that. If it's for purposes such as cosmetics or sport then it's disgusting. I mean, seriously. Why do you kill for sport?

I can imagine a PETA for them too. XD

"That's disgusting! We will protect them, these chemicals are deadly and should not be tested on human! Kill... Kill that bunny there!"

oh my god.

i DESPISE PETA. Seriously.

If you truly love animals, PLEASE DIE. RIGHT NOW. just because they don't eat meat doesn't mean that they aren't killing animals. to build the houses they lived in, to produce the food they eat, FOR THEM TO LIVE, animals are sacrificed. "ANIMALS ARE NOT OURS TO EXPLOIT"--my foot. just think about it for a second. the land their house is on right now contained life before. and the fields in which crop grow--things lived there. and don't even get me started on their hypocracy when they 'put down animals to end their suffering.' @[email protected] (and technically, humans are animals too... so if you really love animals, PLEASE STOP TERRORIZING YOUR FELLOW ANIMALS. please.

and despite what PETA might say, animals DO NOT deserve a human's rights. they cannot reason--they cannot do the things we do--they have NO CAPACITY of doing so, maybe in a few million years, but as of RIGHT NOW, they are not human beings. they are not capable of doing the things we can--so why should they get equal rights? even human babies and children, who are capable of becoming fully functional human beings (come on, you can't tell me that a child/baby has the same mental judgement as a fully grown adult would D: generally speaking of course) are not given the same rights. so why should animals be given the same rights as a human adult?

i never said they deserved NO rights :/ all life IS precious--i just value a human's over an animal's and feel that an animal doesn't deserve FULL human rights. but yes, an animal too deserves dignities.

but i don't really see how your post related to my post as i never specified that they shouldn't be treated--for the lack of a better word--humanely.

it's true I mean when you think about it humans are doing what they need to survive and flourish, it's the instinct of all species to do so, and if we weren't the dominant species whatever was, would do the exact same thing, they may not be able to live in our habitat but we probably wouldn't be able to live in theirs and they probably aren't going to say oh poor little humas let's close off an area of city for them, animals do what they have to to survive, is a lion going to stop eating meat because it's unethical? of course not so why should I have to give up chicken? I know there is evidence (evidence not proof) that humans used to be strictly herbavores (via our teeth and pH levels in our stomach acid) but that was a long time ago and during times of hardship (like the ice age) when plant life was scarce is probably when humans started eating animals to survive, it's a theory, I don't know if it's true no one does my point is animals are tasty xD (but seriously we've grown to need the nutriants that are provided by meat but that can now be ixed with vitamins and dietary supplements) and I will admit that as we have a higher level of conciousness than most animals (I'm not saying humans are better than other species, in fact I acually believe quite the opposite) which does leave us to a certain degree obligated to maintain certain aspects of the environment and habitat and other species and what not but seriously people draw the line SOMEWHERE!!! and on that note...


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I do believe in animal rights and all, but I agree with most people here.
Animal testing is a necessity and PETA is over the edge insane. x-o
I won't post a bunch since it would probably just be repetition but I do say that we have to draw a line somewhere. And I think that's what we're discussing right now. Is testing cosmetics the same as testing medicine? etc.

One thing to keep in mind is cognitive capacity. Different creatures are capable of different levels of mental abilities. For example many animals don't truly develop a sence of "family" or any particular closeness to eachother. They don't comprehend fear, or lonlieness in the same way's humans do. Many are incapable of conciously thinking in future or past tense in ways such as humans do. (as far as our current psychological experiments have shown us). There are exceptions, but assuming that all animals have a concept base same as humans is not particularily correct. An insect having a family is not a logical situation at all. Many insects will eat their own young if food is short. Why has your bunny not figured out in a 10 minute period of time how to throw the clasp on it's cage? It hasn't because it's mind is not developed to a degree to facilitate that degree of planning or orginization. Many animals operate on simple action reaction instincts. Ie. if it growls run away ect...

A sad truth in existance is that you have no rights by default. You only have the rights that you have the ability to defend, or that others defend fo you. You do not have the right to life, nor the right to happieness, nor the right to freedom. You have these rights becuase you exist in a society that protects these rights for you. These animals have the rights that they have in nature the same rights as us. When they start killing us that is when we will know that we have lost our rights and they will have the power to decide what we are allowed or not. Natural selection at work, eventually who knows, mabey humans will fall prey to natural selection as well, naw... we'll kill ourselfs off way beofre that.

Honestly, to the people who say they oh-so "love" animals and still have the mind to speak the words "it's alright to just treat them as our servants and eat them and kill them as we please", it's complete bs. Although animals do not possess the intelligence that humans luckily to possess, do not give the excuse for humans to kill them. If we call ourselves "human beings", what example are we presenting, a bunch of monsters who's being fed off with corpses? Oh yeah, that's humanity for you. Assuming the word, "humility" somewhat derives from the common sense "humane" which somewhat suppose that the nature of humans are noble and humble in personality, in a way.
You look down upon animals because lack the "capacity" in behaving as human beings naturally do. However, I don't see much different. Some animals hunt others for foods because they lack the ability of growing foods such as wheats, vegetables, and so on. Their inabilities in living are their curse. However, humans, who calls themselves the intelligent beings, can't live any different than them? One classic story I've always seen on TV, if your enemy hurts you, and you hurts them back, doesn't that make you as worse as your enemy?
The word, "rights", is dependent. Through a sense of logic, I guess that's how people come to establish the rule that a child doesn't have the same right as an adult because of their judge mental development or whatever. However, through my experience, for ex: in middle school, the principals are the ones who decide everything, like dictators; they make up ridiculous rules for us to follow and they don't even set an example themselves. Some don't deserve the "rights" they claim to have. Giving anything a "right" for any matter is like to reminding others to treat this being with some moral sense. Meaning you should considerate how you treat them. Don't do things that you wouldn't be like treated to you.

We did wrong in our past in abusing the general animal species, but that does not mean we tore up our houses and civilization in making ourselves the same as animals. You can, of course. But there's no need. In calling out animal's right is like saying, "Leave them alone, and stop feeding off them bastards."

On the subject of PETA, my little knowledge of it and its true doings will have to take me sometime to give my full opinion on the matter.

Of course, in the past, humans can't even treat their fellow friends in a righteous moral. Perhaps expecting the mass to think and to expand their humility a bit more are too much to ask for. >_> But when you look at the numbers... Hitler kills like 6 millions. Stalin has a record of 20 millions. The meat-eaters beat them with the average of 425 millions per year. If God doesn't wipe this insane killer anytime soon, meh, it's just going to kill itself. (Hint hint: Global Warming >_>)

I don't understand why people think they are all above animals.
People need to learn that we don't own this world, but are merely sharing it with other living things.
I don't think we need to be putting other living things though pain for cosmetic reasons.
we shouldn't hurt a poor helpless animal just to make people look pretty or smell good.
Put yourselves in their shoes for once.
what if you were smaller, weaker, or less intelligent than someone or somethingt else and they thought that because they were bigger, smarter, and stronger than you they thought they could do anything they wanted to with you.

I'm against animal testing completely, even for medicinal purposes. There are plenty of people out there willing to die for religions, then I'm willing to bet there are plenty of people out there willing to die to see other people continue to live. Hell... we have people who do that every day, they're called soldiers. We have an in depth enough understanding of chemistry to know when things will have disastrous effects if they're mixed... else we wouldn't have pharmacies able to go "Well you're taking these two things, and the chemicals in them have adverse reactions". We wouldn't be able to say that chemical A plus chemical B create massive explosions. Thus, we have the ability to deduce that this chemical introduced into a living thing probably wouldn't go well. We rule out the really bad stuff, and use HUMANS to test out the stuff we can't be sure of. If we're good enough to take the medicine, we should be good enough to allow it to be tested on us.

At the base of it, humans ARE animals. We operate like animals, we have acted like them from day one. The only difference is that we've become more psychologically developed than most. Does that make us better? No. A dolphin is smarter than a minnow... would you say that makes him better? Of course not, because humans are so arrogant about their own existence that we insist that we are better than both of them and they're both "just animals".

Now... nature has predators and prey. Humans have been predators from day one. We hunted in packs, lived in packs... operated very much the way wolves and the like did. If an animal was too big or too tough for us to kill on our own, we grouped together. Animals do that every day in the wild. Am I against us eating animals for food? No... I quite like hamburger. However, I agree with those who have said that they disagree with the way live stock are kept.

At one point in time, we hunted for our food. I mean REALLY hunted. Even animals like cows were hunted. It's only our laziness and the all mighty dollar that have changed the way we do things like that. Just keeping animals penned up is going against the natural order of things, so obviously us putting ourselves above 'animals' is doing the same thing.

I despise the system for teaching us we are better than everything else on this planet simply because we were born human. So our speech is more developed and we evolved faster than everything else. Does that mean we simply have the right to farm animals as food and clothing products? Our advancements medically are outstanding and cheating nature. And who gets the credit for curing diseases? The doctor or the lab rat?

There can never be equality on this planet it we continue to treat those which we deem lower than ourselves, as "live stock"

PETA is a bit eccentric, but yeah.

ALF can readily be comared to Hitler

Yes, that's right.

Those people are insane and need to be put in mental institutions.

I thinkt hey'd rather their dog or whatever bear their children than their own wives.

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^ Correction, PETA and ALF are worse than Hitler, at least Hitler did plenty of good things.

xD

You mean before the whole Jew must die !!1!!!111eleven16! and world war II thing?

C:

The guy did at least advance technology.

Computers and the Atomic bomb grew up together.

Computers were children of neccesity for more powerful weapons, and look at them now.

Common household items, irreplaceable.

Thank you Hitler, for starting the War that made these amazing things 8)

Actually, if you look at the beginning of Hitler's time in power, he did a ton of good things for germany. He strengthened their economy, cut down on crime rates, etc. Did a lot of things in a short period of time that most leaders who'd been in power there couldn't manage in long periods of work.