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ToriKat 07-12-2007 05:28 PM

NOOOO STEALING! >_< (c) by ME!!!
 
  • I noticed when I first began, I didn't really care about adding anything to my artworks except my signature. I wanted people to know that "ToriKat" drew this picture right here! :D

    Then I decided my art could be a tool to boost my ego. I wanted more page hits. D: Totally arbitrary to whether people like my works or anything, but it was SOME marker that people were looking! So I made sure that all of my submissions had the link to my website gallery.

    Later, I got hit with art theft. Since I am relatively unknown, a couple of people got away with it until they started stealing from more well known artists. But no one could seem to identify who drew my works because once you blot out my signature, it's unknown. ._.;;

    As a result, I started moving where I put my link. I like to craftily put it somewhere that if you tried to remove it, it would make the artwork look lacking.

    But here's something I noticed. People who aren't very good (sorry sorry for saying it like that) tend to be the ones who are the MOST anal about people not stealing their works. They will put (c) by their name and add in the descriptions "NO STEALING! THIS IS MINE!!!11one"

    I chuckle, but then I relate it to the fact that like them, if the art did happen to be stolen, no one would really...notice. Like in my situation.

    At one point in the beginning, I remember I got really anal about one girl copying my friend and my artworks' poses. Her characters had the same face and pose down to the wrinkles in her clothes. It was as if she printed out our work, traced it, and just drew in her original character. And she got a ton of comments on how nice her picture was. :x

    Discuss:
    -Do you leave some sort of marking, link, or unique signature on your artworks?
    -Do you watermark your works? Excessively even?
    -Do you leave little disclaimers not to steal your works?
    -Just how paranoid are you about others taking credit for your hardwork and talents?
    -How do you interpret someone who draws their character in a pose EXACTLY like yours with the same expression, mannerisms, etc? Is that plagiarism?

luciole 07-12-2007 06:44 PM

I always sign my work, and add a link to my website as a watermark somewhere on the pic.

About theft.. thievery.. imposters, etc, well, it's hard to catch and stop them, as it is just something that happens. So I don't mind much if someone does steal my works, because I know that they don't gain anything from it and my skill does not decrease.

People who raise hell and etc on online art thieves are lulz XD.

About 'stealing' poses, etc, well.. its annoying but eventually they'll grow out of it XD.

However, I get really PISSED if someone tries to sell my works. I mean oi.. I'm poor enough as it is, and you're stealing from me?? Die die die!!

ToriKat 07-12-2007 06:53 PM

  • @luciole: Oh my, that's something I forgot to add in the discussion...people trying to get away with selling your art. That's honestly the only thing I would worry about if I ever got good enough to be concerned with it. XD

    With the exception of how possessive I am about my original characters (I love them so T_T), I'm pretty much blah on how much I care nowadays.

luciole 07-12-2007 07:13 PM

T_T thieves will sell anything if theres a chance it'll make money. Or idiots selling our pics as phone wallpapers.. etc. Bah!
Yeahh it'd suck to get OCs stolen and made into RP characters.. ick.

nocturnal miyu 07-12-2007 09:00 PM

i don't think i've had my art stolen as of yet (cuz my art isn't great... XD )...

well, for most of my artwork , i usually put a signature and a (c) somewhere, but usually somewhere that can be easily erased... well, so far, i've mainly been drawing gaia avatars, so there isn't much to steal from... however, if it is a bigger commission, then i do leave an excessively big watermark saying char (c), art (c), and my DA site smack in the middle on top of the piccy if i plan on posting it anywhere. but i give a pretty clean copy to with just a small signature and (c) to the commissioner.

i don't really leave disclaimers unless i open a shop, then i put it in the rules, but i don't put it on my picture. i have a hard time enough trying to put my signature without feeling like i ruined the piccy. ^^;

since i'm not a great artist, if someone were to steal my art, i think i'll be flattered and pissed off at the same time. flattered cuz my art was worth stealing... pissed off cuz well, you know, i spent a lot of time on it. i never had a problem with art yet, but someone stole my layout before when i used to make websites ages ago... i think all i did was e-mail the person and ask him/her to stop using it. i don't really think i was mean or anything about it. (at least in my memory, i wasn't mean about it.) the person kindly took it off and everything was fine.

(an no one will ever copy my poses cuz i don't know how to draw poses... XD ) i'm not sure if it's considered plagiarism... i think it depends... if it's evident that they took a tracing paper and traced it and changed the hair style and color of the clothing... then yes... but if they were looking at it and drew it on their own, i'm not too sure how to consider that. because personally when i started to learn how to draw, i looked at small pictures of animes that i liked and just enlarged them. of course those are definitely under the category of fanart... but if the pose is similar but not traced, i'm not sure if i would consider it plagiarism. i guess it might be unless the person credited the first picture as a reference.

Melilot 07-12-2007 11:47 PM


*sighing*


-Do you leave some sort of marking, link, or unique signature on your artworks?
I leaves my kanji signature there most of the time.
People are less likely to remove it since... kanji
And, I don't really care about art theft.
Why wouldn't I be able to prove myself should the rare occurence that someone steals my artwork... happens? I really don't understand.
It hasn't occured to me yet so I don't understand really...


-Do you watermark your works? Excessively even?
No. I hate it when artists do that. So... I don't do that. It ruins the picture so badly in some cases.
I hate it when some artists will show samples on a site like this, and they will say: "OH don't steal!" in text, and then put in red letters all over the pic: "Copywrite Me!!!!" or "DON'TSTEAL". It pisses me off.
If you're selling your artwork for 100g on gaia, chances are it's not the type where someone would steal it and you need to put ugly red lettering on it. Sorry, but true. :|
You also can't assess the quality of the artwork enough to comment or purchase from them.
Some people go to STUPID, ignorant heights.
However, if it's a fairly well done pic, and it's one of your best, personal bests even, and you know it; if it's something 'popular' where a stupid person would steal it, like a unicorn or a nice cute fairy or popular anime character, by all means, to keep people from stealing, put a watermark.

I go through like a hundred deviantart and gaia shop links and journals per week. (I exaggerate, but it seems like this).
"People who aren't very good (sorry sorry for saying it like that) tend to be the ones who are the MOST anal about people not stealing their works. "
I find on my travels that it's true.

-Do you leave little disclaimers not to steal your works?
No, because what's the point?
Should someone want to steal your artwork, they won't care what you said.
Oh yeah. Like that deters a thief.
Artist: "Oooh please don't steal my artwork! Oooh! ;o;"
Thief: "Oh! She/he knows that people have a tendency to take or direct link artwork! OMG! Maybe I shouldn't!"
It upsets me.
It's like... there are some isolated communities on deviantart or sheezyart or smaller communities. Not alot of inbound or outbound links.
Why are you going to say that to what's virtually your friends? People
It kinda hurts me (I get over it) when people say "oh please don't steal..." the same people have been supporting you for months. =_=
And just because [insert pop'l artist's name] got their art stolen (But doesn't really care, interestingly enough) by some company far off on the other side of the world to make some unsuccessful t-shirts and notepads doesn't mean that you're next...
I know a few artists that have got that into their head. Interesting.


And it's not even like: "Oh, just look away if you don't like it."
They're on little doodles, these disclaimers can be on the picture themselves!
What is the point of showing the pic if you are going to ruin it with a paragraph of text?

-Just how paranoid are you about others taking credit for your hardwork and talents?
Very low level of paranoia.
I know I'm not that good.
And with lower level artists, it's a bit rare-er that someone would steal...
A smart art thief will take art that isn't absolutely perfect, but still looks like a person put time into their work.
They'll steal from someone who isn't that well known (In yur case.)
But that's not the majority of art thiefs.
It's flattering the first time. (I did get a piece stolen. Was a doodle). Annoying, but slightly flattering.
The 3rd, 4th, and 11th time it happens, it's unnerving. I can see how it's unnerving after the 3rd time. Because, sites like deviantart and elfwood are supposed to protect your artwork. Scripts to protect artwork should really protect.
And some other artists will go 'bananas' should they see something that reminds them of a pic.
The art community is there to help. Or should be.
But... if you're the artist, how hard is it to prove that your arts show a correlation between this ONE pic in the person's gallery, and your entire deviantart gallery, journals, scraps AND pics IRL?
(No really. Tell me of experiences. I want to hear the artistic drama. <3)

-How do you interpret someone who draws their character in a pose EXACTLY like yours with the same expression, mannerisms, etc? Is that plagiarism?
Yes. Something like that should only be presented in a scraps or doodle gallery, with reference to where the pose was from. That is, if that is practice.
Other than that, one should contact said artist with proof.

However, you cannot copyright poses. There is a difference between copying directly and referencing.
There are threads with like... 50 pages battling over how big the line between this is. I wish more people would acknowledge that...There's only but so many generic pinup poses or fighter poses to go around...

You take this chance with art when you put it out there.
Even on the streets or gallery, or when you're selling your art, someone could just walk off with it.
That's what happens.
What they say is: if you can't deal, don't put your art out there.
I've seen it on many an art forum stickie. Many an art site disclaimer.
Not to say that I don't understand how getting art stolen feels.
It is the EXCESSIVE heights.

Sounds wrong, but some of these things need to be said and heard...

How I deal is:
Me personally, the art on the paper isn't as important as the art in my mind.
Okay, someone stole the original. But the art is in my mind. They can't take that, you know. :|
They can't reproduce my style.


Saying a character is (C) you or your friend, or 'this' character is (C) nintendo is a completely different thing. It is necessary.
For example, at the end of the comment: "...
Robalt, Faelyn © their creator/s."
It is one of my recent deviantart favs.

hahah... </rant>
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(C) 2007 Murasaki no Ryuu. All rights Reserved.
Please don't steal. :[



ljosberinn 07-13-2007 12:02 AM

I used to put my full name and year the photo was made in see-through letters, right across the photo. Since the letters were see-through and not too big, it didn't distract too much, but it was pretty hard to get around it anyway.

Then again, back when I did do that, my photos weren't that great. xD

Nowadays, I don't care too much about it. I just post small versions of my photos so that I own the big versions and people can't really use it for much. Meh.

Haven't ever had anything stolen that I know of. I'm not well known or anything though.

foggyday 07-13-2007 04:12 AM

-Do you leave some sort of marking, link, or unique signature on your artworks?

yes, but nothing too hard to take off actually. Maybe because i don't really care or i havnt had the experience of how i would feel if someone stole my work. Because god knows who drew it~and you can always do more~

-Do you watermark your works? Excessively even?

isnt this the same question as last?XD..well just 1 signature..or sometimes typed on some. Some that i really like i would watermark~^^

-Do you leave little disclaimers not to steal your works?

hm..maybe sometimes i might have mentioned' just don't steal it..XD even tho i know no one would' sort of little things...mentioning it without really thinking or caring??

-Just how paranoid are you about others taking credit for your hardwork and talents?


if they are not selling it and making profit when i should have, i really don't care. like i said to the first question you know.
To my self, i always suck~

and i also agree with some of Melilot's points

-How do you interpret someone who draws their character in a pose EXACTLY like yours with the same expression, mannerisms, etc? Is that plagiarism?


well, if its not copied line to line, maybe just used as a reference, i would be honored. For i do the same, using other art as a reference to posts and such. But i would NEVER copy it exactly~{PS: - -why would you also copy expression?if so..then just say its a copied image...like those practices you do..master copy or something?i don't know how to say it properly in English..= =}

fongmingyun 07-13-2007 04:52 AM

I've always been too lazy to do anything but sign my work normally with my name and kanji mark (which is also my name, lol, I'm Chinese., but people understand better when I say 'kanji').

I mean, I knowingly rsk putting my work online that it will get stolen, so I don't worry about it. The exposure's worth more than the occassional one or two people saying "hey I drew this" when they didn't. Actually, I wouldn't mind if someone didn't link back to me - it's only in the case they claim to be me that'd scare me. For example, Adele Sessler has a bloody stalker than goes aroudnto cons and pretends to be her and even calls herself Adelle Sessler... but like, if someone claims they did a piece of yours and obviously can't relplicate it... well, they're not gonna get very far, now will they?

Only people stealing my OC riles me up. That's sorta happened once. Someone took the pic JadedIce drew for me and used it for her RP character without credit (it was a b/w pic, though, and she like, changed his eye and hair color, lol). She bitched right back at me. But hey, I can draw and she can't, so like, I'm still better off, haha. I think the only reason it bothered me so much was cuz her character sucked - LOL. Fallen angel :p

fanart gets stolen more for obvious reasons. Not so much sstolen as shared, too. so does sexy girls, says jahichan.

That said, other than the Rivek thing, I've never had my work stolen. and that wasn't even really my work.

Twism 07-13-2007 05:55 AM

I never really put too much effort into watermarking~. I put my name and webpage...most of the time...so that random people seeing it can know who did and it where if they're interested.

Of course, my art gets stolen like whoah apparently from the number of emails, notes, PMs, etc. I get. (I think I fall into the category of not-so-well known artist...but has art that looks like effort was put in ^^; )

So maybe that's a bad idea TT;;.

I've never been able to make a larger watermark look good though T_T. And I'm lazy by the time I actually manage to finish a picture.

Florentine 07-13-2007 07:01 AM

  • I wonder why the less skilled among the artist community would be so anal about their 'works'. Seems to me to be either low selfconfidence and/or a way to appear more important and attract more attention.

    I put a small watermark on my commissions, in one of the bottom corners, and it works fine for me. If I draw fanart, I put a see-through watermark somewhere along the bottom that is slightly larger than my usual one and contains the adress of the gallery I post it in. Fanart is abused so much that it's almost always necessary to leave a mark on it if you don't want to see it plastered all over the internet. Of course, I also credit the creator/lawful owner of said character.

    Art theft is nasty, but I wouldn't be one to go all berserk over it. It's when people try to make money off of someone else's work that I get pissed.

meririm 07-13-2007 11:16 AM

-Do you leave some sort of marking, link, or unique signature on your artworks?
When I do not forget, sometimes I slap "meririm" in a corner. Pixel art is mostly too small, though.
Resources and comics usually have a link to my sites somewhere, but that's in case people want to see more.

-Do you watermark your works? Excessively even?
Nope. Then of course, I've no talent, I'm not exactly expecting to get stolen.

-Do you leave little disclaimers not to steal your works?
It depends on what - my dolling site had this "do not claim as yours/do not direct link", but that's common on dolling sites. And people just do not listen.

-Just how paranoid are you about others taking credit for your hardwork and talents?
Actually, I'm not that concerned, though if it happens, I DO raise hell. Because I'm mean like that.

-How do you interpret someone who draws their character in a pose EXACTLY like yours with the same expression, mannerisms, etc? Is that plagiarism?
Unless it is traced, I'd say:"no", though I woudln't do that.
If the picture's colors, clothes etc are somehow similar, I'd reconsider.

Zefster 07-13-2007 04:30 PM

I usually leave watermarks on fanarts, only because I don't understand why anyone would try to steal my original character art. I don't fear art theft that much, only because I'm a relatively unknown artist...so even if someone stole from me I would remain blissfully unaware. XD

I usually also leave a small signature on commissions too, just so people know who drew the art if they want some themselves P:

galy 07-14-2007 12:58 AM

i've had my small share of art theft, but it's no big deal.

you're very right about the lesser talented bunch making the biggest deal over the whole watermarking/do not steal thing.
i never mention stealing at all unless it's from a commission and the person buying needs to know the limits of the usage of the piece i created for them.
it's ridiculous to say THIS IS MINE, DO NOT STEAL!!!! that is just common sense.

the only time i do a large transparent watermark is when i photograph something sewn or done by hand. when it's digital work, i put ©my name, the year and my devart site. nothing elaborate and very small. i don't do it so it won't get stolen, i do it bc there has to be a way of my signing it. if it were a painting i would sign on the back. it's just a way of letting people know who did it.

CLAMP 07-14-2007 07:09 AM

I have to leave a signature conceled so tey can't steal. It sucks that they would even steal from someone who has worked their but off on a pic. All they probably do is use a lame Paint program to white out the sig. When They steal from anyone I get sick and confused, as I don't know why someone would even do that.

Chroma 07-14-2007 05:04 PM

Oh maaan, scaring me. XDD
I simply leave a signature off the side but it can easily be erased >3>;; Sometimes I forget..
But I don't think my art will ever be stolen ROFL

What I find funny is if someone steals art from a person and then writes.."This is my artwork, steal and die" :twisted: Seen that...The stupidity XDD

But yeah, art theft isn't a big deal unless there's profit involved :3
I respect all art theft polices 8D

Melilot 07-14-2007 08:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chroma
What I find funny is if someone steals art from a person and then writes.."This is my artwork, steal and die" :twisted: Seen that...The stupidity XDD

But yeah, art theft isn't a big deal unless there's profit involved :3
I respect all art theft polices 8D

What's even more funny if someone steals stolen art from an art thief and the art thief gets mad.
I wonder if that's ever happened...
(I don't doubt it tho. I just want to hear an episode o' that.)

stilettolover 07-15-2007 03:36 PM

I always think to put some sort of watermark on my pictures since my signature is "Ari" and not my gaia/mene/DA username, but I always forget. ^^; I don't think people would steal my art, either.

I have seen my onigiri animation in a couple places, though. Most people remove it after I ask and the rest have credited me, though..

Twism 07-15-2007 03:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Melilot
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chroma
What I find funny is if someone steals art from a person and then writes.."This is my artwork, steal and die" :twisted: Seen that...The stupidity XDD

But yeah, art theft isn't a big deal unless there's profit involved :3
I respect all art theft polices 8D

What's even more funny if someone steals stolen art from an art thief and the art thief gets mad.
I wonder if that's ever happened...
(I don't doubt it tho. I just want to hear an episode o' that.)

Yup yup O_O. I've seen that happen~.

There was an art thief on DA called Callista-chan. She actually got really popular on DA, too, for quite a while before she was finally caught. (On the front page a lot and stuff ^^;;; ). And so a couple of times some art thieves stole "her" art and she'd post and rant about it in her journals and stuff...and everyone would give her sympathy and the thieves would be banned..... :?

You know what the most ridiculous part was? She actually talked a LOT about art thieves in her journals! She even published an "interview" she had with an art theif O_O;;! She asked "the thief" a bunch of questions about why they stole, whether they felt guilty, etc. etc. The funny part about the interview was that it almost glorified the thief, talking about how clever and yet easily they changed the pictures and stuff O_O;. Seriously. We're pretty sure now that the thief she was interviewing was herself =_=".

Chroma 07-15-2007 07:08 PM

@Twism and melilot:
Whoaaah..didn't think that was psychologically possible *__*;
Art thieves these days :,DD;;;

ToriKat 07-15-2007 07:41 PM

  • @Twism: *jaw drops*

    I remember seeing "Callista-chan"'s art...and wow, I can't believe she was an art thief. :x I kind of don't understand why her and her sisters' - or whatever - galleries are still up. To make a statement?

Sarasvati 07-16-2007 04:02 AM

Twism: Oh man, I remember when that went down. There were a lot of people when it first came out that couldn't believe someone would go to such lengths. Didn't she even post a journal at first claiming that the people who had found her out were horrible liars? And her really big fans were attacking the people that stated she was a thief at first too. It was messy.

I usually just sign my initials somewhere small into the work. It always annoyed my art teachers, especially my painting teacher. She'd force me to sign my work, despite having the hidden initial signature.

When my friend and I first started our site (in sore need of updating), she watermarked my images for me at my request. Then we both just nixed the idea. If they're going to steal it, they'll steal it. Even if they're selling your work, some websites are extremely difficult in getting someone to take the stolen work down. Some of the more popular artists have such a problem with it, I don't know how they maintain the energy, to be quite honest. :\ I don't worry about it anymore because I don't think anyone would want to steal my artwork. It's not the type that typically gets stolen. (laughs)

There was only one time a piece of mine was published in a school newspaper, without my knowledge. I actually was really annoyed about that, because the art they published was a self-portrait. I didn't want my ugly mug everywhere. 9_9

I'm also of the camp that no pose is truly unique/it's all been done before. If it's something obvious, like tracing, or repeated copying of one's work, I can see the problem. If they're just referencing the same resources and it looks similar, I don't see the problem.

Deidara 07-16-2007 04:48 PM

:x I hate art theft!

A couple of years ago, I used to have a polish website where I posted all my fan drawings, art, and such. Then, once I learned English, I started exploring English websites. There was one person (not using names) that had made an english website that claimed all of my artwork as their own. I didn't use watermarks or signatures so nobody knew. D: I tried to contact them and such to get them to shut down their website, but they continued. Eventually, I just shut down my website, and because they didn't have any more art to steal, they shut down their website.

:D So... I learned my lesson. Always watermark/sign your art!

chai 07-23-2007 05:42 PM

I've noticed it a lot too, how mediocre artists are super uptight about marking the shit out of their works. Or people who sign "_____ @ DEVIANTART.COM" on all their pchat works. I think it's either a case of being uptight or having a huge ego like "I drew this, look at me! I want attention!!". It's one of my biggest sources of art-related irritation lol.

I honestly don't bother watermarking ANY of my art. At all. I don't really give a crap. I'm 99% sure nobody's going to steal from me, and the one time I had an "art theft" it was a girl copying my bust shots to create her own to sell as commissions. Well I was kind of "wtf" but I let it go since that's... how I learned.

I honestly don't care, but really awesome well-known artists like luc should of course be advised to watermark since art theft is much more likely for them XD

kimu 07-24-2007 05:25 PM

I just mark it where its super hard to take it out without making the picture look CRAPPEH xD
I sometimes forget though. But oh well, if they steal my work, Im gonna go moar then anal on em.


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