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Kris 07-31-2007 07:15 PM

The [real] Brother's Grimm
 
Am I the only one whom read these stories? I surely to god hope not. They're rather interesting, and if you don't read them, you should look into it, they're a great read. Most people think they're childish, but they aren't by any means.

My personal favorites include Rapunzel, The Seven Ravens, The Little Brother and Little Sister, The Twelve Brothers, and the Frog Prince (or Iron Heinrich, depending on what version you're talking about).

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Favorite Grimm stories?

What versions of those are your favorite?

If the French version of Rapunzel make you pee your pants in laughter. :lol:

Knerd 07-31-2007 07:45 PM

I just finished up a study on the original versions of many fairy tales, so the Grimm Brothers popped up once or twice. I spent quite a bit of time on “Rumpenstunzchen," and how it became Rumpelstiltskin.

It's a bit amazing how simplistic the original tales were. Disney has added so many little nuances to the way we tell them, that the text seems almost boring to kids now. I tried reading a few stories off to a child I baby sit and it nearly bored her to tears. I had to pop in a movie just to get her happy again.

I just have a few problems with the way the Brothers Grimm recorded their tales. They hardly ever gave credit to the tellers who allowed them to copy the first tales, or they instead gave credit to higher class ladies who only heard them through their nursemaids of old. Often, the men simply said the stories were from the country, "anonymous peasants" who told them in the fields, when instead they just took them from salons and other publications around Europe. If you want the original original versions, you need to dig much deeper.

Luumi 07-31-2007 08:18 PM

I read a collection of the Brothers Grimm a few years ago that was thicker than the 7th Harry Potter book. I liked all the stories that got turned into Disney movies, because the Grimms write them so wonderfullt. Disney twisted the tales so much I could barely tell what they were. Anyway, I was really into that for a while, but then I became bored with their stories. I was planning to research them more, but it never really happened. ^^;

`Cassiopeia 07-31-2007 09:49 PM

I love the Grimm stories!
My favorites were Frog Prince and Cinderella

ToriKat 08-01-2007 03:46 AM

  • Oh goodness! You're not! XD

    When I was in the third or fourth grade, I read the original Brothers Grimm anthology. I was so confused as to why the stories didn't match up with the Disney animated films. XD Heck, they weren't even like the Grimm's Fairy Tales animated series from Japan.

    I found a site that has all of the stories translated. Occasionally, I'll read them. Brings back memories. So interesting. <3
    I can never remember the title, but one of my favorites was the one about a girl who married a king. He left her alone for awhile, telling her she could go into any room except one. Her curiosity got the best of her and she ventured into the room - to find the bodies of all of his previous wives in there! XD It CREEPED me out as a child. Still like it. XD

Sun 08-01-2007 12:24 PM

I've never read them but i knew that the Disney story's aren't really loyal to them.

Knerd 08-01-2007 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by ToriKat
  • I can never remember the title, but one of my favorites was the one about a girl who married a king. He left her alone for awhile, telling her she could go into any room except one. Her curiosity got the best of her and she ventured into the room - to find the bodies of all of his previous wives in there! XD It CREEPED me out as a child. Still like it. XD


Bluebeard, I believe.

I can't find a web version of the story online, but here is Charles Perrault's writing. At the bottom of the page, there are some links to other sites as well.

Skrae 08-02-2007 06:43 PM

I was finally able to obtain a copy of the original tales, re-collected, and was ecstatic.
I'm still reading through it, and my favorite ending is when one of the evil women tells how she would punish someone who had done what she was guilty of, and then she gets that fate. I'm not sure which story it's from, but it made me laugh.
The stories are very gory compared to those we read as children, but I like the original Grimm stories better. They don't gloss over the imperfections of people.

ToriKat 08-03-2007 06:34 PM

  • @Knerd: That's it. XD

    I have been looking for the site with the compilations of the tales...but I wonder if it's not online anymore. >_<

Knerd 08-03-2007 08:08 PM

^ I know that it's sometimes hard to post Grimm's work, due to copyright laws. Most online sources avoid it altogether.
But if you do find it again, please post the link.

Kris 08-04-2007 02:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sun
I've never read them but i knew that the Disney story's aren't really loyal to them.

No, they aren't. At all, by any means. They're AWFUL. Dx;;

Chexala 09-08-2007 05:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Knerd
I just have a few problems with the way the Brothers Grimm recorded their tales. They hardly ever gave credit to the tellers who allowed them to copy the first tales, or they instead gave credit to higher class ladies who only heard them through their nursemaids of old. Often, the men simply said the stories were from the country, "anonymous peasants" who told them in the fields, when instead they just took them from salons and other publications around Europe. If you want the original original versions, you need to dig much deeper.

I remember reading about that in the introduction the collection I had. Irritating to a degree, but on the other hand, those specific peasants probably hadn't created the stories either. They were folk lore, oral tradition, so they'd probably been passed down for generations, so those people just happened to be the ones the Brothers picked it up from. I don't mind so much the lack of credit to the sources so much as I mind calling them Brothers Grimm stories, because that implies that they wrote them.

One thing I found interesting when I was reading the introduction was how much the Grimms cleaned up the stories. For example, in Repunzel, we're used to hearing that she accidentally complains to the witch one day that she is heavier to haul up than the prince. The original version that they copied down however, had Repunzel asking in confusion why none of her clothes fit anymore, because she'd gotten pregnant, and didn't know it. So, considering that the Brother's Grimm did some editing, by the time these stories get though Disney, they're totally different. I try not to think of any version as being better or more true than another, but simply very, very different interpretations.

Choir-Angel 09-14-2007 01:38 AM

Oh! I love the The Brothers Grimm collection. I actually only recently bought it, so I haven't been able to read very much. So, I couldn't tell you which is my favorite. Out of the stories i've read so far, I like them all. lol. I love the originals, the Disney stuff is great for learning morals (I guess), but the Brothers Grimm is more fun. ^_^

Indy Lyon 10-11-2007 11:15 AM

Grimm
 
i absolutely adore Grimm Fairy Tales
Favs include: The Seven Ravens, Twelve Brothers, The False Princess, Little Roughskin and the good old version of Cinderella, which is so much better than the Disney we all know and watched, when the doves peck out the sisters eyes was cool, and it made sense that the steps were beautiful rather than ugly.
I think i have an older Grimm book but if you read Roughskin and The false Princess it's very cool.

P.S- Old Stories rock.
P.S.S- did you know that the Rapunzal story had to reeditied when the Brothers first published it because the story indicated in a scene where rapunzal is being dressed and measured by the witch and she says that the dress is getting tight around the middle (this is while the prince has started visiting too) oppsie :wink:
nudges and winks all round cause we know what that meant "evil giggle"

jamilee-nicole 10-11-2007 03:21 PM

Heavens, the Grimm Brothers are MOST DEFINITELY not for children!

Has anyone ever read the absolute original versions of all the old stories?

I do not remember if the Grimm Brothers did Sleeping Beauty or not, but the story is definitely more graphic than the Disney-fied version we get.

Like when Arora (or whatever she is called) is sleeping, a king finds her. So entranced he is with her beauty, he rapes her unconcious body. She gets pregnant, gives birth in her sleep, and her child (a boy, I think) sucles on her finger, dislodging a splinter from the spindle the moron touched. She wakes up, and things get worse. I think in some versions the story ends with cannibalism and murder.

Freakishly disturbing stuff, no?

My favorite Grimm stories is Rupunzal.

Did you know that the prince knocked Rupunzal up before she was banashed from the tower and he thrown off it and blinded?

I am pretty sure she had twins.

This is dramatic stuff, huh.

Neto 10-11-2007 06:34 PM

I have a complete and unabridged Grimms' Fairy Tales book. It has really wonderful stories that are completely different than how Disney or any other retelling has made them.

"Sweetheart Roland", "Ashputtel", "The Wolf and The Seven Little Kids", and "The Queen Bee" are my favorites.

yar im pocky 10-11-2007 07:57 PM

I don't have Brothers Grimm but I do want then books. My twin has them.

Kiralisha 10-12-2007 08:17 AM

I love finding well illustrated versions of their stories. It makes them so much more special, and I have a collection that has really stunning artwork.

I don't know if I could pick just one that I liked above the rest, but I do love Bluebeard for rather unknown reasons. I suppose some part of me just likes stories about dead bodies in forbidden rooms.

ljosberinn 10-13-2007 05:36 PM

  • I love fairy tales and folk tales a lot and I really like all the stories the Brothers Grimm collected.
    I have a wonderful, albeit rather small, illustrated collection, I've had it since I was a child. The illustrations are so incredibly beautiful.

    In that version of Rapunzel (because people were talking about that story), she does complain that the witch is heavier than the prince (so obviously, it's a revised version of it?) but it ends with the witch throwing the prince down from the tower and he lands with his face in a bed of thorns that prick out his eyes. He then wanders the desert, blind, until he hears Rapunzel. She's given birth to their twins (a girl and a boy) and they live happily ever after (in the desert, with him blind, but.. together? xD )

    Also, in the "original" Little Red Riding Hood story, she sleeps with the wolf, and the moral of the story is to teach young girls not to sleep with 'wolves' (men who don't want anything else but sex from them). The wolf also makes her eat her grandmother.

    I've heard about the version of Sleeping Beauty where she is raped and gives birth to twins (because it's more symbolic than just one child ;] ) who proceed to suck the needle out of her thumb while they are looking for her breasts for milk.

    I read about the story of Cinderella likely orinating from China - you've heard about the Chinese shoes the women would wear, they were so small they had to bind their feet? Well, Cinderella was of high class, so she would have had very small feet, but her stepsisters weren't. Also, in my version of the Grimms brother's version of the story, there is a tree she planted on her mother's grave. In that tree there is a bird, a dove if I'm not mistaken, who gives her the dress to dance in. The bird also helps her solve the tasks her stepmother gives her. In the end of the story, on the way to Cinderella's wedding, two birds (again, doves, I think) sit on the shoulders of her stepsisters and pluck out their right eyes and on the way home, they pluck our their left eyes as punishment for their folly.

    I'm more used to the Grimm's versions of the stories, just as I'm more used to H.C. Andersen's versions of his stories. I'm afraid I don't know Perrault's collections too well though. I'm going to add those to my wishlist for Christmas, I think. ;D

Garnet Phoenix 10-13-2007 09:02 PM

I adore fairy tales and folklore, but I have yet to read any of the Brothers Grimm's original stories. And from what everyone else has posted, I think I will enjoy their stories immensely!

Smiley160 10-13-2007 10:50 PM

I Have heard of it i was about to buy it but i kinda saw a naruto comic in english and those are hard to find where i live so i had to have it

Solitare 10-14-2007 04:17 AM

Although I have read most of them I find the Grimms brothers to be morbid! I think they must have had very disturbed childhoods! :)

Lady_Solange 10-14-2007 05:41 AM

I just love their version of Cinderella. I always laugh when I hear they cut off their toes just to get a shoe to fit. Ah, they're stories are so gruesome, they're great. :D

Indy Lyon 12-18-2007 03:16 PM

Ahem
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jamilee-nicole
Heavens, the Grimm Brothers are MOST DEFINITELY not for children!

Has anyone ever read the absolute original versions of all the old stories?

I do not remember if the Grimm Brothers did Sleeping Beauty or not, but the story is definitely more graphic than the Disney-fied version we get.

Like when Arora (or whatever she is called) is sleeping, a king finds her. So entranced he is with her beauty, he rapes her unconcious body. She gets pregnant, gives birth in her sleep, and her child (a boy, I think) sucles on her finger, dislodging a splinter from the spindle the moron touched. She wakes up, and things get worse. I think in some versions the story ends with cannibalism and murder.

Freakishly disturbing stuff, no?

My favorite Grimm stories is Rupunzal.

Did you know that the prince knocked Rupunzal up before she was banashed from the tower and he thrown off it and blinded?

I am pretty sure she had twins.

This is dramatic stuff, huh.

firstly Skrae, that story was probably the FALSE PRINCESS but you can read another version of it by Shannon Hale called GOOSE GIRL.

Jamilee i have never read that original of Sleeping Beauty, where did you get it? Rapunzal being pregnant i have know and have mentioned, i saw it mentioned on a program on the brothers.
But i must tell you that those sort of stories would have been enjoyed back when the Brothers were alive, considering that hanging was still a family-day-out spectator sport in those days just shows what people were exposed to in those times.
The pale, soppy and happy stories we are exposed to would have been too tame and unrealistic for the people of the 19th century (i am not sure of the collections debut), plus the Brothers collected these stories from all around Germany and surrounding countries, so different, if frightening stories wouldn't have been massed together before the Brothers did, adding to solitary tales.
Plus i am not quite sure that the Grimm Brothers intended that the book be targetted at children at all.
I just found them good (plus they sacred my babysitter :twisted: )

Raining Skittles 12-23-2007 06:29 AM

Aww, I looked on the internet for the Brother's Grimm stories when my drama teacher mentioned them, but all I had found were ones that ended happily, and she said they weren't happy endings. I'd love to read the REAL stories. Stories like these really catch my interest, I wonder if I'll ever read the true stories you're all talking about xD


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