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Queen Fool 08-29-2007 02:51 AM

Unfortunately it does, sometimes. I'm not pretty, and a lot of times a new year starts with me being treated like crap by people I don't know, and it dies over time. Either they get bored or they get to know me and look past my plain face and out of shape body.

At my dad's work, they fired a lot of people from other departments. He said that it was a man doing the firing, and mostly men and less attractive women who were fired. Sounds like someone's a little biased.

Ashtara_Silunar 08-29-2007 02:45 PM

Sure, looks determine a lot about how people view us. But don't forget, part of that is body language too. An average-looking girl who seems confident and polite is always better off than a rude beautiful girl with no self-esteem.

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Looks can also be a disadvantage. Another one of my friends has a large chest. She was a Double D at age 15 so you can imagine. Everything is natural btw. She feels like she's getting all the attention at the wrong place. Noone else cares about her personnality or her feellings. Everyone immediately puts a stereotype on her: SLUT... She tried all sorts of things. Like wearing long dresses etc. but then people would look at her even more strangely. She feels like she has to be sexy...

I would hate being defined by the way I look. I mean we don't choose to be born the way that we are.

I know the feeling. I know a lot of girls would love to have big breasts. I promise, it's not all it's made out to be. I usually wear sportsbras to make my chest smaller. >.< I'm a jeans and T-shirts kinda girl, and that helps quite a bit. As does the bf, who likes me crazy brain and all. :D

Xia 08-29-2007 06:27 PM

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At my dad's work, they fired a lot of people from other departments. He said that it was a man doing the firing, and mostly men and less attractive women who were fired. Sounds like someone's a little biased.

I have noticed stuff like that happen before too. I think that pretty girls and people who are not as fat have an easier time getting hired. I think that it can be especially hard for bigger people to get hired, and that's really sad. Maybe it's because the employer thinks that if a person is fat, they won't be able to get as much done, or customers might not want to work with them as much.

Queen Fool 08-30-2007 01:42 AM

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At my dad's work, they fired a lot of people from other departments. He said that it was a man doing the firing, and mostly men and less attractive women who were fired. Sounds like someone's a little biased.

I have noticed stuff like that happen before too. I think that pretty girls and people who are not as fat have an easier time getting hired. I think that it can be especially hard for bigger people to get hired, and that's really sad. Maybe it's because the employer thinks that if a person is fat, they won't be able to get as much done, or customers might not want to work with them as much.

I've noticed that. I have flab, but I'm not overweight, so I haven't really experienced it myself, but some of my friends who are larger get treated badly. One girl I knew...she called someone planet face, so everyone called her the sun for a few days...mean, but amusing, seeing as how she was extremely rude and threated to kill someone with a cheese grater. :roll:

Xia 08-30-2007 08:21 AM

Lol a cheese grater. Wow it seems like this girl has issues. Plus, if you are going to verbally insult someone, planet face is an odd use of words. X3 Anyway, now im getting off topic....but hey. It's going to happen once in a while. ^^

koren_suzaku 09-01-2007 02:49 PM

I feel beauty can get your foot into the door of opportunities. But if its all you got ... youll be lucky to marry a wealthy man and stay at home and be his trophy wife.

If you are truely special, talented, smart ... youll get the opportunity you deserve <3

A Scanner Darkly 09-01-2007 08:21 PM

I believe that beauty does become a factor when applying to a job with a lot of face-to-face interaction with customers. Companies want to make their workplace as appealing to the eye as possible, even if it means hiring less-than-qualified employees. The Hollister and American Eagle here will randomly offer jobs to teens and 20-somethings that fall under the description of "hot." I have a cousin working for Abercrombie & Fitch, and she agrees that looks sometimes will get you ahead in life.

I've been personally affected by that idea. Ever since I was 10 ((I'm 14 now)) teachers and popular, more attractive students have treated me like a crook. I'll admit that I do dress somewhat like a person who might start something, but many of the people who've judged me about it know better than to think that. Rumors have been spread about myself and others like me about using psychadelic drugs or drinking, yet other, more good-looking people who actually do smoke pot, have sex, etc., are left alone.

Niren 10-28-2007 08:32 AM

Sadly, how attractive you are is how you are treated. When we walk down the street and someone who is obese we start to move to the side to let them pass, or if we are in a store and someone more attractive walks in and asks for help, people will immediately go to that person even if you are there before them and have asked for help. Our world leaders, with some exceptions, have been chosen on their looks. Dont agree with me? Look at all the leaders. They could be considered attractive if not good looking. Even though we try not to we base our opinions on how people look. If anyone says "No I never do that" then they are lying. Ask your self. Have you ever had a crush on the dorky person who is over weight, has an acne problem, a homely face, and where's dorky glasses? No we usually fall for the attractive guy even if the other guy is a gentleman and is very nice. We might look at Guy 1 as a friend but never as a love interest. Our society is based on how we look and will forever be no matter if we know that judging a book by its cover is bad we still do it.

Sash 10-28-2007 01:31 PM

Absolutely. Was there ever a doubt about that?

You can be brilliant, talented, smart and charming, but when it comes down to it, you can only get so far without projecting the right image, and much of that image is based around what you look like. People are shallow and self-absorbed, and they don't like talking to people that they think are below them. So when it comes to mingling with the successful, they believe a successful person comes fully equipped with good looks and a marketable life. Anything other, suggests that there's some facet of one's life in which they're a failure.

Blood Stained H3art 10-29-2007 05:12 AM

I think people make a huge thing out of looks and I think it is just wrong.
I mean someone who is not as pretty as Britany Spears may be able to sing 10x better, yet because that said person is not a raving beauty they will pick over her/him.

But yes, I think beauty will get you into some places that are not quilfied for.
I think some people are just really concited they should look past the looks and pick the best person for the job.
But we know that will never happen.

Light Kazeko 10-29-2007 07:17 AM

a lot of things in life are affected by the way you look. the only way my looks affect me in life is being self contentious, i feel so ugly that i don't like to do things at least for very long.

there are some actors/actresses that are not exactly pretty but are very successful in life, also there are some very pretty actors/actresses that don't do as well in life.

so i guess it just depends.

Lejic 10-29-2007 08:20 AM

I think it inevitably effects your life.

Everyone, without meaning to, befriends prettier people more easily. I don't mean drop-dead-gorgeous, but simply prettier than most or average-pretty.
Also, some flaws might make people uncomfortable - like a lazy eye or a really big nose. Because people feel uncomfortable, they'd rather talk to someone who's simple and not flawed. It is more than anything about feeling comfortable. That's why people who smile a lot (bonus points if they have a pretty smile) get more attention, for example. People just feel comfortable around them.
In professional life it effects you too; much more so if you're in corporate business - you need to be noticed, in a good way. Promotions happen only if you are noticed. You can be noticed for your good work, yes, but when a few people work the same amount and have the same productivity, just having caught the eye of the boss gets you promoted, basically.

It should not effect our lives, I don't think so. But it does. I'm an average-looking person and my sister's really pretty - so I've seen first-hand how it happens. While I get attention for my good grades and artistic talent etc - she gets attention for nothing, basically. Her only hobby is 'hanging out' and yet she has so many friends, and is so happy. I don't think she would be this happy if she was not pretty. I most certainly wouldn't be.

We must not forget though; pretty/beautiful doesn't - SHOULDN'T - mean anorexic with DDs. It's more than anything about the shape of the face, I think. And smiling a lot, and a general attitude about life. Take Paris Hilton for example - she has a truly ugly face. And yet so, so many men desire her - why? Well, she's always partying and having fun and dressing up. It's not just your body or face that makes you pretty - it's you. It might not seem so, prettiness might seem shallow - but I've found that in most cases it's not. I know a lot of really, really pretty girls who hadn't been asked out not once through high school while some not-so-pretty people with a more forward attitude got hoards of guys asking them out every week.


So anyway; what I mean is, beauty does matter, inevitably, but the body you're born with doesn't predetermine your life for you.
If you are truly talented, nothing will matter. Socrates was ugly, a lot of popular actors/actresses, like Light Kazeko said, are not pretty. The things I said in this post go mostly for average people; people without exceptional talent or luck.


I know this post is long, sorry, but in the Topic Review I also saw something else I want to comment on;

It is very, very true about the interviews and the people you see on the street. In interviews you leave a better impression if you look good. More than anything, because it's hard to know people in an hour or however long the interview is. If they list their qualities, they'll seem too arrogant, probably. If they don't, how will the employer know? So looks are a big part of the impression you leave.
And if you do see an obese person on the street, yeah you would move to the side. And if a really pretty woman dropped her purse, you would certainly go to her side to help her. Etc etc...

Viki 11-01-2007 04:34 AM

I think that in the commercial businesses yeah, pretty people can get further easier, but it does still take some degree o talent. I mean just look at almost all of the female singers nowadays! They are all beautiful little twigs that can barely sing, and yet at 21 they have already made more money than most will make in their entire lives.

Amo_Angelus 11-01-2007 06:07 AM

Sometimes. Sometimes not. It's strange but the one area where you would expect it to be the most important thing in the job...it's not. Modelling of course. There are some absolutly stunning girls out there trying to break into modelling but there are some horribly ugly ones too. Suprising then that the ugly ones can get work when a lot of pretty ones don't? It's all about hard work. The ugly ones work their asses off, the pretty ones expect it just to be handed to them.

Then at an interview I know some people have been accepted on looks and personality, they certainly don't have the qualifications the other applicants have. Strange old world we live in...

juniper_silver 11-02-2007 02:30 AM

Almost everything affects people's lives, including beauty. When people get compliments, it makes them feel good. So if someone had people coming up to them every day saying "you're so beautiful" that would probably raise their self esteem. Raising their self esteem can help them feel confident in not just their looks, but their abilities, etc. Also, it's hard not to think more highly(or lowly in some cases) of beautiful people. I'm sure everyone does it to a certain extent.

Livia 11-02-2007 11:29 AM

Interesting topic!

Let see... Maybe it does a little because I'm not very skin Dx

I'm on belly dance and I don't feel very comfortable showing my skin while dancing. Or even on when I'm walking. I don't feel okay by showing my chubbiness to the world! x.X

And when I have shows I look around of my friends and they all have pretty clothes showing their skin but I dance better then them xD But of course I don't brag that. I cheer them up to work harder and keep the good work : nods:

But on the last show, despite of the horrible cloths that I have for shows, people that I know seemed to love the way I danced, They only said " You just need to put some bright clothes and show some skin girl ;D"

But people when see me dancing say that I'm a great belly dance and that I learn fast. =3

So the beauty think when it comes to my life it doesn't concern me so much but it still does concern in some way -_-...

Majinkoz 11-02-2007 03:36 PM

Sadly...in the work force it might.

I don't want to offend anyone! keep that in mind. But if two people with the exact same, grades, degree, background came into an office for an interview, and one person (we'll just say female) was tall, thin, blonde hair, low cut shirt...short skirt, etc...and then an over weight women, who was badly dressed etc...

Who do you think would get the job?

Clearly the pretty woman would get the job, and it really sucks that people are like that. :(

Plus on top of all this, there is so much pressure in the media and advertisements to be pretty, thin, or handsome...our way of thinking is so corrupt...we think that being annorexic and freakishly thin is beautiful, when there are so many different levels of beauty, and sadly, not many people actually realize that...

Yeah 11-02-2007 05:23 PM

In as far as getting a good job, unfortunately looks do matter. That's why when you go for an interview, you dress nicely and make sure your hair and makeup (for the ladies) is just right. It's not fair or right but, males especially will be more likely to hire a person who they think looks good over a person who is just average or "ugly"(is anyone really ugly?).

helaia 11-02-2007 08:20 PM

I hate to say it, but beauty totally affects how people are treated in life and how they succeed.

I remember one time I was watching this social experiment done on a prime time news show (maybe 20/20 or Nightline, something like that...)and they had two models (one girl, one guy) versus two "normal" looking people, and their task was to ask for directions or a quarter to use the phone type thing, and statistically, the "beautiful" people had better success.

The same goes for babies. Mothers with more "beautiful" babies are more likely to lavish extra attention and affection on thier children than mothers with more unnatractive babies. This is not to say that the mothers with unnatractive babies don't take care of their babies, they just give them their basic care that they need for the most part and don't oggle over their babies like the mothers with beautiful ones.

So, I guess what I'm trying to say, beautiful people got it better... Society sucks.

unloved_prinzes 11-03-2007 02:52 AM

Honestly, I really think that beauty isn't really important. Have you ever heard of the saying, "What is beauty if the brains is empty". Well, now with my point. Not just beauty, you also need guts, intelligence, determination, attitude and perhaps a bit of charm now and then to succeed. That's what I believe!!

charis_mae 11-03-2007 03:16 AM

Beauty affects you from the start of your life. It's been reported that babies prefer more symmetrical faces--but it goes the other way around, too. People react differently towards a cuter baby than an uglier one, like helaia mentioned. That affects the baby's personality, and it will show in how they act later in life.

woopdidoodoo 11-03-2007 12:20 PM

I don't think that it should have an effect at all but I think that for some things it does. Like your not going to get good at modelling if you are fat or ugly are you? or you're not going to be very happy in a scungy and depressing peice of crap house or flat that you are living in. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and I believe as long as you have an open mind then nothing else should deter that.

Divine_lil_brat 11-03-2007 12:41 PM

I think it does. If you go into an interview looking sloppy, you don't get the job. Looks count for a lot more than most people would like to think. I myself have been on both sides of the fence just within the few months I've been at my job.

When I first started I wore lose fitting dress pants and shirt that was 2 sizes to large. After 3 months of looking like a mess and taking a good hard look into the mirror, I went out a bought a better fitted pant and asked for a smaller shirt at work. Well needless to say people responded better towards me and were/are always complementing me. Since then I bought a new work shirt that is fitted better for my figure (I'm 5'5 and got curves) and my guest react differently with me.

If I were to come in with my hair looking shaggy or my clothes unpressed or whatever, I get a poor reaction from the guest. But with my clothes done nice and my hair, I get a very positive response.

Looks count for a lot and the better you present yourself the better people will response to you regardless if your a celebrity or not.

InYourMind 11-03-2007 06:36 PM

That really depends on your profession. Beauty definately does affect you. Beauty sells, but only in commercial movies, or other things. Promotion, if you will. If your in that proffession you basically but a bank full of money or are a starving artist. But if you have beauty and your in a buig company, no one will trust you and no one will take you seriously. Beauty prevents others from seeing who you truly are and prevents others from seeing your mind and your view. If you are not beautiful people will take you much more seriously, and will appreciate you more for your brain instead of your....face.

` t e a 11-05-2007 04:11 PM

It could in certain situations. Look at Quinten Tarantino. He's fugly as HELL but he's still successful. xD


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