Indeed. You're punishing the parents as well, because they're the ones who end up taking care of the kid. A baby should never be a punishment.
Having to deal with the stress of an abortion is punishment enough for such a young girl. This girl in question is twelve, and probably has a panic attack if the boy at school doesn't like her. How capable can she really be of caring for a child?

An abortion IS dealing with the consequences of your actions. Just doing nothing and then throwing the baby into a dumpster, now that is ignoring your responsibilities.

Okay, this twelve year old is clearly below average intelligence. Do you honestly want her raising a child? She's stupid enough to not only get knocked up at the age of twelve, but to do it twice. Tell me, how equipped do you feel she is to raise a baby? Too irresponsible to remember a condom... yes, she's obviously going to bother staying home to feed her baby instead of going out with her friends.

And finally, some people do learn from their mistakes. Not everyone, but a twelve year old using abortion as a method of birth control is sort of a worst-case scenario.

Even if they are using it as a retroactive form of birth control, it's still preferable to a girl neglecting her body during pregnancy and neglecting her baby afterward. What kind of child do you REALLY think would come from this hypothetical 12 year old?

I hopeyou never have kids Never Know.

A Baby should never ever be a punishment. A child should be brought into this world with a mother who wants the child and is there to love it. Not because someone decide that would be an exceptable way to teach someone how to be responsible.

I've known children who grew up being told they were and accident, unwanted and a punishment, and none of these kids are happy or healthy and are depressed. I do not want to condem any person to that life.

It is a responsible action to what was irresponsible behavior. Far better than forcing a teenager who is ill prepared to take care of themselves to have to care of another life.

Akasha, that was a bit rude. :\

I know a lot of kids who were unwanted as well. Most of them are not exactly happy and healthy. But I don't think their issues are because they know they were an accident, it's because the parent is simply not a good parent. If they don't want to be a parent, they probably won't do a good job parenting.

I agree that was pretty rude, and from a Moderator standpoint, I'm reminding everyone to keep it cool.

@Fabby directly:
I think that it's a combination of both. Perhaps someone who doesn't want to be a parent will be a crappy one. In fact that's very likely, but that is very much compounded when the child is told/reminded that it was not wanted in the first place.

I agree, constantly being reminded that you're not wanted isn't exactly going to make you happy. I also think that crappy parenting will usually have more to do with how screwed up a kid is than anything else.

I do not care if it was rude, I'm sorry but my opinion on that matter.

Yes not all kids who grow-up in that situation end up like that, but i have known a few who have. Regardless it does not make for the best situation.

I do care if it was rude, so if I were in your position I'd tone it down a notch. :)

I care as well. If you can't debate without resorting to flaming, then no one will want to debate with you. And Kin is watching. =O

It's certainly possible for a child to veer totally away from the course their parents set for them, but it usually doesn't happen. Honestly, parenting has a lot of effect on how a kid grows up. It's only one of the billion reasons why a child should always be a wanted child, even if it was an accident. And I can only imagine the extreme lengths some women would go to to get that abortion or get rid of the child. They're far worse than disposing of an embryo.

and this has WHAT to do with the debate? plus, since the majority of abortions occur via suction, it wouldn't be EATING the remains, but drinking it through a straw.

1. are you seriously advocating using pregnancies to punish teens or pre-teens? why would you want to use a resulting child to "teach the little sluts a lesson"? it's not right to do that. if a teen is going to have sex, wouldn't it be more logic to give them birth control or condoms? what if the pre-teen dies in labor? what if she can't carry to term and ends up unable to have children in the future?

2. i have studied it and have seen REAL pics. there is nothing to see in a first trimester termination. the fetus is either too small to be seen or it is liquified via suction. all you see is a lot of blood and tissue. according to VARIOUS medical associations and medical journals, a fetus CANNOT feel pain until 22-26 weeks. before then, the parts of the brain necessary for pain sensation are NOT developed nor "up and running". the only way i can really explain it is through an analogy. let's say you get a new game system. however, you do not have the wires to connect the game system to your TV. can you play the game system? no you cannot, not until you have the proper wires and you have connected them to the tv. that's the same thing with a fetus and the ability to feel pain. if the parts of the brain and the receptors are not connected, pain cannot be felt.

also, murder is defined as the UNLAWFUL killing of one PERSON by another. abortion is not unlawful and the fetus is not a person. therefore, LEGALLY it cannot be murder. you can THINK it's murder till the cows come home. that won't make it fact.

I do not see what i said as flaming and going with what i have noticed. And for that, I do not care as much for I do not see it as flaming, if you want to see flaming I can. And knowing people who have been unwanted and was made quite clear to them did not add or make there lifes better.

I don't see what you said as flaming either, but it could easily escalate into a flame war. This is a touchy topic for a lot of people. It's important to stay civil.

I try not to get into flame wars, and it is a touchy and emotional topic, so emotions come out. Some may be seen as rude to others while to others it is nothing more than simple words by others.

You don't think the father should have a say in the fate of his child?

I personally thing its really bad. Its murder of a life. I had a friend that found out his mother almost aborted him. Its almost a Holocaust. Your taking its freedom away with an unsubstantial execution

How can you possibly compare the horrid slaughter of millions of people to abortion?! I think I should actually be offended. A fetus is not a person, and its removal is quick, easy and painless. Keeping people in concentration camsp? Not so much.

And you're taking away the mother's freedom by forcing her to be an incubator for this baby. I think she should win here. It's her body being invaded.

With actions, Comes consiquences. You have sex, You have a baby. I mean its harsh when you get raped and get pregnet but theres orphaniges that you can send the child.Around 1.2 million kids were aborted last year. Thats about the same as the holocaust. In one year. Each year anywere from 1-1,9 million kids were aborted. Each year. A question for you. If a mother has a child and she dosn't want it anymore, Should the kid be killed? No because its alive.Thats just because you can see and hear and feel him. Fetus's are alive. They might not be grown but they still are dependent of your body to survive. Well you can take my words or you can leave them.

Well I hope to never be in the situation where I'm considering abortion, but if I am I want to make the decision on my own.

I don't people are out there in support of abortion like "yay abortion!" or something, they are in support of a woman's choice in the matter.

I think women have fought long and hard in this country for the right to make decisions for themselves, if you don't believe in abortion make that choice for yourself, don't push your opinions on me.

Abortion is a consequence, and it's a responsible choice.

How is sending it off to an orphanage a good choice? You know, most of those kids probably won't end up with families. Adopting takes forever, and no one wants anything but the healthy white newborns. Most kids in the system just bounce around until they turn eighteen. Yeah... they have a great life, aren't you glad you kept them alive? We don't have the resources to sustain all of these kids! These foster programs are hardly even functional as is.

Not to mention abortion is to terminate an unwanted pregnancy. Nine months is a long time, especially for a teenager. All that time out of school... :\


Alright... a child and a fetus are totally different. Once a child is born, it is a person and it has rights and you cannot kill it. A fetus is part of the mother and it has no rights, so she can do with it what she wishes. Sorry, but abortions and the Holocaust are on completely different levels. Fetuses are alive, yeah, but so are plants. Just being 'alive' is not good enough.