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well, fortunately, rape isn't THAT common.
also, in most cases, if a woman gets raped, she's usually raped, then killed(i would say more than half the time)
It is highly improbable for a woman to get raped six times and not be dead yet.
Usually women who have multiple abortions are those using it as a birth control.

I still stand firm that abortion should stay legal, but I don't like the fact that it's being used as a birth control.
It's not that bad though because there is an extremely small amount of women that actually do that.
It's quite an EXPENSIVE birth control, too if you think about it. $300 per abortion. hmmmmm...

i agree 99%..
:D

If a woman did get raped that many times and not killed, you can bet it's a repeat offender. But you'd think she'd tell the police... or at least get on birth control.

And I hear that in some countries, abortion is free?
I don't really know. But I don't see why you would use it as birth control. Any form I can think of is cheaper. :\

Yessss ! but I thought it was like, a thousand dollars?! xD;;

Well, come countries are really over populated, abortion can help control the population.

I guess it would be the same as:
if abortion is murder, then is slaughtering millions of cows murder?
Nope, that's just food.
And what about exterminating bugs, mice, and rats?
nah! they're just PESTS.
Or stomping on the little spider that snuck it's way into your room?
but, it was scaryy!

human beings are pests. and they're effecting the whole planet. and yes, I know I am one of those ( I swear I'm not dilusional)

So by your logic, Popcorn Gun, killing anything living counts as murder.

Murder is a person killing another person. Whether or not a fetus is alive is not up for debate, because it's pretty obvious they're living beings. However, whether or not a fetus qualifies as a PERSON is still open for interpretation. Which is why the whole abortion = murder thing hasn't been clearly defined yet. Am I making sense? /exhausted

I think abortion has its place, its pros and cons, just like anything else. People who look at it as a black and white, yes or no topic, are foolish.

There are plenty of medical or other reasons for abortion, and I really think it should be up to the family and the individual to work it out, not a bunch of fanatics waving banners who don't believe in contraception yet cant keep their legs closed. People who suggest killing a pinch of cells is wrong, but think nothing of animal abuse or helping the homeless or adopting a child in need, etc etc.

However I also think abortion should be taken seriously and made a worst-case scenario. Where I am in my life, I don't think I would be able to look at myself in the mirror if I terminated a pregnancy. I have a plan of action should I get pregnant.

But in cases of rape, or pregnancy despite multiple forms of birth control, etc, I think Plan B or abortion should at least be an option. I really believe that in some cases waiting until you can give a child a good life is the best choice.

I'm leaving that up for interpretation. You gotta play the devil's advocate every now and then to get things heated, it makes things more interesting.
But there are so many ways to prevent the slip up of having an unwanted pregnancy. If latex fails you, there are sugeries, pills (that can reduce how often a woman ovulates, and if all else fails, you can (while you're still carrying the baby, find an adoptive home for the child) and with this, you don't have to put the kid in an agency, you find the parents, check them out, and fill out paper work (probably more to it, but I can't type forever).

@ slickie ::

Yes, it is murder, it just goes back to human rights vs. animal rights vs. animal welfare.
Murder by definition can, but doesn't have to be the killing of a human.
@ Fabby ::

For a lot of states, when an embryo/fetus is considered human varies.
Some places go by when it starts showing human characteristics, while other places go by weeks. In one state it may be after 12 weeks when a baby is considered human, while in other places it's after 16 weeks.

Abortion = murder hasn't been defined by law. That doesn't mean people don't have their own definitions. If we just followed the standard, we'd all be sheep, and this wouldn't be so controversial. Ya get me?

It really depends where you live and what medical coverage you have. As an Iowa student I could get the pill, shot, or a variety of implants for free.

I think everyone has the right to get an abortion or not.

I say, as long as there isn't a heartbeat or it's breathing, it's fine. Though, with this, you don't know if you are delaying the life of someone who has the cure for cancer or knows how to make water float. Or anything like that. We may never know. Yet, a child that is 13, gets pregnant, I think she should have an abortion. Why? Well, most likely the father will run because he isn't ready to be a daddy (the usual scenario to all those clauses.). Why should you have a child, and then go "Well you didn't have this because your daddy bailed out and ran for it." or "I'm sorry, you weren't meant to be, but you were a suprise! :'D" That would make a child feel awful inside.... or at least if I was that child I'd feel awful.

Plus, even if you did give birth to it, then gave it up for adoption. What if the adoptive parents go "Oh yeah, you were adopted", and the kid wants to find you. What if you started a family of your own? Already had kids? What are you going to say to the child? "Oh yeah, I'm sorry... it was a hard time..." The kid is going to feel betrayed. And even if you DID mark "I don't want this child to find me" on the papers, they'll find you anyway since it's their right away. Come on let's face facts. ._.

But anyway, I think everyone has the right to have an abortion.

/2ynx, you do know that a heart is one of the first things it develops, right?
An embryo can have a heartbeat before the woman is even aware she's pregnant; apparently, as early on as the fifth week.

actually, there is no brain activity at that point. PRIMITIVE brain waves begin at 12 weeks. REAL and ACTUAL brainwaves begin at 20-26 weeks. abortion cannot be murder by legality. you can THINK it's murder, but that won't make it fact. and abortion IS a way to take responsibility, whether you like it or not.

I do think abortion should be illegal. It IS murder whether you wish to admit that or not. Its killing a living organism that will develop into a human being. If someone is going to have a child and thats going to threaten their life, they can get a C-section to remove the child. I don't understand why you can't just have the child(If it's not going to harm you.) and if you don't want it, put it up for adoption.

@EvilKittenNamedAli
Abortion isn't a way to take responsibilty if you weren't a rape victim you shouldn't have done it in the first place if you didn't want a child.

okay first off, do you even know how extensive a C-section is? it's abdominal surgery. those are ONLY done when the vaginal birth cannot be done due to distress. if the woman's fetus is fatally ill, it's NOT in HER best interest to have a C-section just to deliver a fetus that will be either dead or dying. second, adoption resolves the issue of an unwanted CHILD, NOT an unwanted PREGNANCY. and third, abortion IS a way to take responsibility, whether you like it or not. consent to sex IS NOT consent to motherhood. just because you have an issue with sex that isn't for "baby-making", doesn't mean we all have to follow suit.

I'm just merely making a point of the fact that we consider ourselves as above every being of this planet.
And pointing out that if these creatures are so unimportant to us, then why is an unwanted human fetus so damned important?
cows are living beings, fetuses are living beings. Get the picture?

Isn't that sort of the point? An unwanted human fetus isn't that important (in my eyes, anyway). No more important than a cow. We consider ourselves better because we've developed top of our class, so to speak, but that's a different story.

I agree. that's the point I was trying to make, but nobody got my analogy.:sarcasm:

Do fetuses with brain activity have the same rights as someone in a hospital on life support with brain activity? If they have brain activity, then aren't they thinking?

at what stage of development, do fetuses develop independant brain activity (ok, I know in the case of boys, it may be 18 years before they have brain activity, lol)

I think therefore I am.

I'm not taking a position, just wondering. I do know I would feel super guilty if I got an abortion, but that's just me. I'm just glad my mom decided to have me.