That sounds completely reasonable to me :)

Now if only everyone else could understand...

I'm a pro-lifer. I cant even think about killing another living being. I may be military but my job doesn't require for me to kill anyone. I just had my son two months ago and he is the most good looking baby ever. I just think if I had an abortion the beautiful baby I hold would not be and I would not be happy. Plus to boot I think I would have a guilty feeling about ending his life. Plus think of all the people who can't have but want children... lets let them have the children that people may not want.

Women are not walking incubators. You cannot ask them to go through all the pain and risk and expense of pregnancy and labour just so someone else can raise a child. And besides, there are far more children than willing homes as it stands. Intentionally adding another unwanted child to the system is ignorant and irresponsible.

I think it's the epitome of irony when pro-lifers are in the military. I really do.

Honey, let's think about this. The world does not revolve around your emotions or how you would feel personally. Simply because you feel one thing, have certain opportunities or have certain feelings does not mean that everyone will be the same. I'm glad you would be happy to have a child, but you have to understand that you are not everyone. Not everyone is like you. Not everyone has the same ability as you. I'm glad your son made you happy; I'm glad you were happy holding your son. But not everyone will be, and you have to be considerate of what you are pushing onto these women.

Imagine you never wanted a baby. Imagine you are terrified of pregnancy. Imagine that you would rather die than be pregnant. But you become pregnant, and now you are forced to go through your greatest fear. Your emotions are not everyone's emotions; your situation is not everyone's. I cannot stress to you this enough, because from your post, all you are thinking about yourself and how you would feel.

Women who have an unwanted pregnancy do not owe infertile couples anything. Besides, those infertile couples are not above anyone's needs or rights. If they want a child so badly, surely they can adopt one of the MILLIONS across the globe, right? Or is it not "fresh" enough for them?

And think about this: you love your son. You went through all that trouble to give birth to him, spent all that money to make sure he was healthy, and after that first time you hold him...
He is taken from you, and you are no longer a parent.
Does that sound pleasant to you?

lol. I just got the funniest image in my head right now....

As soon as the Government steps in and starts telling people what they can and can not do will be the start of the end. You take away a person's choice and it opens the door for them to take away more choices, stepping back in time instead of moving forward.

THIS

what? oh never mind I get it lol

Then what is the difference with between your neighbor and a fetus. A fetus is made up of cluster of cells and it also has a heart and a brain. The cells on your head have neither.

That is your opinion. You have no morals when it comes to babies. You think that if it is an unborn child that it is alright just to kill it. This is why I am glad that I have a good religion that is against it and that I don't have such a dark heart like yourself and others who think that the mother carelessly spreading her legs open is more important than new life.

According to law, if you kill someone, it is consider as murder. All I am saying is that I believe that the fetus is human when it first gets a beating heart. I get what you are trying to say. You aren't getting me, because you are Pro-choice and you will always think that way.

Then why is it murder to kill an unborn baby thats more than three months, or more than six, I don't remember but thats murder. Who are we to judge the worth of someones life. If the egg is fertalized the fetus is created and alive, and growing. Aborting the life of the fetus is just a messed up way of putting it anyway. Like, oops my body made a baby, I'm gonna delete it now...

Your reasons you beleive in it.

A woman who got raped should have the possibility to get rid of child if she really doesn't want it. -- Adoption

A twelve year old girl can't take care of herself let alone a child. -- Adoption

A woman whose life it at risk if she carries through with the pregnancy. -- If it's that dangerous for the woman then it would be ok, no sense in the woman and the babie most likely dieing.


The woman who first made getting an abortion legal now goes around preaching against it because she feels guilty, and now she will never know the child she didn't want, can't change your mind when you terminated the life.

My veiws are obviously pro-life

This topic is still going on? I only remember 30- something pages but wow....89 pages?

There is a difference between a viable fetus and an non-viable fetus. If a fetus is in it's 2nd trimester (over 3 months) there is only a slim chance that it can live outside the womb. Most states that allow abortions only allow first term abortions, and stop at 12 weeks (3 months) and a few states allow abortions up to 18 weeks (4 1/2 months).

It's only a murder if the fetus is born in tact and viable, but no attempts are made to prolong it's life. This rarely happens with legal abortions, as most states require a second physician to be present during all late term abortions. This means, anything after 12-18 weeks, depending on the state, would have to be signed by 2 doctors OR a judge that the health of the mother is at risk, and the fetus would be aborted with the aid of a second doctor who would be able to prolong the life of a viable fetus.

In all seriousness, the "Murder" you are talking about after 12-18 weeks isn't done in abortion clinics, it's done in back street chop rooms illegally by people who don't have the certification to preform the operation in the first place, or care for a viable fetus if it is produced. Which is even more reason to have working and funded apportion clinics that can deal with a viable fetus when it is produced. It's a shame so many women are scared away from them by protesters and pro-life activists.


Obviously you've never had a child, never been pregnant, and most likely have never been close to anyone who HAS been pregnant. Did someone forget to mention that it's not just;

"Oops my body made a baby"!

It's more like

"Well I'm going to have to stop my life for almost a year and stop being a person and give up on everything that MIGHT mean my children will have a good life and a good home, because I'm now pregnant and some girl who's never been in my situation has decided I can't be in control of my own body or my own life and I HAVE to have this baby even if it means it will ruin the rest of my life, ruin this child's life, and any child I might actually WANT to have later."

If you're going to judge, at least understand there is a LOT more then it then 'Oops'.

And you've based ALL of your views on that one person? And what about the millions of women who have had abortions and not regretted it?

You can hate me if you like, but I've had two abortions, if you want to know why, read back a few pages. I have no regrets because in making those choices, I was able to make my own life better for the children I DID want to have. I have a daughter now who will be 8 next month, she is happy, healthy, has a good home, a loving father and will never have to worry about being homeless, sleeping in a car, going without food or being placed in foster care, as I was when I was a child because my mother was young, uneducated, inexperienced, jobless and disowned by her family for having me. And she was too scared to get an abortion because of people like you.

The children I aborted? I can tell you exactly what they would be like right now if I would have had them. They would be sleeping in a shelter on a cot with me, cold and hungry. Their father would have to be on the other side of town at the men's shelter, because women and men can not stay in the same shelter together. They would be sad all the time, as I was as a child. They would be lonely, because no one wants to be your friend when you're sleeping in a car and only get to bathe twice a month. They would resent me for having them, as I still resent my mother now for giving me the life she did, and they would likely feel as I did when I was young. When I wished I was dead then live the life I did.

I KNEW I couldn't take care of them. Most MOTHERS know if they can or not, and we're lucky enough today to be able to choose for OURSELVES if we feel we should wait to have children.

MelfinaRoseyn:

It's really a shame there are so many people out there willing to protest abortion clinics, to scare women into haveing children they know they can't take care of, instead of actualy DOING something about the problem and careing for all of the unwated children we already have.

There are half a million children in foster care right now in the US.. and what do adoptive parents do? Get kids from China and Indonesia. Only take the perfect, white, newborn babies. Why should we add to all the children who need homes?

Molly Jean, I love you <3

That was a very compelling argument, and I should've known to say something like that last year when I was pregnant and mothers were calling me a murderer just because I asked for advice on getting an abortion on an ADVICE forum!

If I went through the pregnancy, my child would be born into a life where his or her mother would slave over her minimum wage job to support the baby, because she would've dropped out of college and the baby's father would have to do the same.

Last thing I wanted, was to end up like my mother did. A mother at 24 years old, a shotgun wedding to an abusive man, and only a highschool diploma, she gave up her dreams of being a psychologist. She doesn't regret having me, because she wanted children at that time, but it was a few months too soon (she dropped out just months away from finishing college).

I didn't want my life to pan out like hers did. I wanted to finish college which thankfully I did, and to be able to find a stable career to support my children in the future.

I respect women who go through abortion. The decision is never easy or simple. It takes a lot of psychological and emotional support. Sometimes it requires a lot of therapy. And sometimes the situation is exacerbated by closed-minded people who just don't understand.

Women who abort are strong. I look up to women who have gone through so much. They truly are heroes to me.

I'm glad I have the right to choose. I hope I'll never need to exercise it, but it's comforting to know that the option is there.

There's no such thing as pro-abortion. No one wants to have to go through that.

Sorry, I've got a case of sentimentalism today :sweat:

Wrong. It's considered homicide. Besides murder, it can be a number of things, such as justifiable homicide, self-defense, manslaughter, etc., many of which are not crimes.

That isn't what you're saying. This is the first mention you've made of a fetus being human. Human /=/ person. Alive /=/ human or person. No one in their right mind would claim that something made up of human cells is not human, and why you are (by saying that it's only after a certain stage in development that it becomes human) is beyond me. Your arguments don't make sense, even in context.

THIS.

Also, a quick wiki:
Emphasis mine.

It's also interesting to note that, in several areas and growing, if you are a new mother and your child is less than 2 years old, and you end its life intentionally, you can be convicted of infanticide instead of murder if there is sufficient evidence that you are suffering from post-partum depression.

So, even if you have the child, and he or she is perfectly healthy, ending his or her life still might not be murder.

Do you have no decency or tolerance in your heart?
I could say that you have morality when it comes to rights - that the fact that you want women to be treated more like incubators than like people is sickening and morally disgusting, but when you have a civilized debate, you're supposed to keep such rudeness to yourself.

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You cannot violate one person's life in order to protect the rights of another person's.
We each have bodily domain. I cannot use your body without your permission and you cannot use mine without my permission. If I hit you with a car and you need lots of blood because of it, even if our blood matches, then you cannot force me to give you blood - even if it will save your life.
Why should the fetus have more rights than the woman including the right to use someone's body against their will?

Those are your personal beliefs and I respect them.
But you have no right to force other to live by your personal beliefs. None.

Like I said, this is fine for you. Remember, not everyone is you and not everyone feels guilt due to abortion. We all have different beliefs, and you should respect that like people respect your beliefs.

Not everyone feels guilt. You're trying to say that everyone feels guilty of having to go through the abortion, knowing that if they didn't a life would be born. What proof do you have?

A friend of mine got pregnant, and tried to go through with the abortion, the abortion pill didn't work so she went through the pregnancy. Lo and behold, several weeks later the baby died in miscarriage. You have NO proof whatsoever that the baby would live, it can miscarriage...it can be a still birth.

Are you god? Do you know what everyone is feeling or thinking? No, you do not. So don't spout this nonesense that you believe everyone is guilty of the abortions and that it *shouldn't* be legal -- that's the vibe I'm getting from you anyways.

I'd really like it if all pro-lifers would get pregnant at the wrong times and maybe through carelessness and rape and then come on here and still say, "I'm not having an abortion", because frankly....I think some of them will change their minds.

heres my opinion and i will be the first to say i really shouldnt post here...this is one of my subjects that get me really heated...but here goes...i HATE abortion in all forms and for all reasons...if a woman is raped there is something called adoption where those of us who cant have kids would love to raise yours...if its a child who gets pregnant, same as before...many new medical practices make it safer for the younger girls to safely deliver...the baby is going to be deformed...so thats a perfectly good reason to destroy life?? who made u God?! in fact on all abortion topics...who made you God that you can decided which child deserves the right to LIVE?!?! when the decision of what is life and who deserves it is placed in the hands of humans you get this mess of whether or not "MURDER" should be legal...murder is the taking of life against the will of the person being killed...abortion is murder because i highly doubt that defenseless child wants to die...its deplorable to hold an innocence responsible for the actions of an adult human..and yes i find those in favor of abortion deplorable...to kill an innocent...its the same as killing an infant...weak helpless innocent...it makes me so mad that weak pathetic humans think that their rights are more important than those of the innocents...weak pathetic deplorable actions...weak pathetic deplorable humans...see i told u i shouldnt post here...i just get so mad...and now im mad...

"Who made you God?!" -- Women.

Women have the only gift of the gods: Creation.

Just like "God" can decide to give birth to the planet, the human race and all the animals, that same god can also make everything extinct.

That same God, can make a newborn planet and decide it's not going to live, so it leaves behind a dead planet.

Women have that same power, all females do but theirs is a small taste. Just like "God" can decide who lives and who dies in "His" body/will/whatever. Women can decide who lives and who dies in her body/will/whatever.

and no woman has the right to destroy life...women are suppose to have a maternal instinct but from what i can tell its dying...women are suppose to feel pity for the helpless and the weak, but todays woman only cares about herself...she is selfish...she doesnt even care enough about HER child to let it live...yes a child convince from rape is still the child of the woman...what has happened to women who care?? God never gave woman the right to kill...in fact the Bible says "Tho shalt not KILL." God did not give us the right to kill even tho he gave us the ability to bring life into the world...and i can say that no matter what, if i could conceive i would keep my precious little baby now matter how he or she came to be...i would have him or her and i would raise him or her to be a decent human...as it stands i cant so i will never know the joy of having a child...this is y it makes me so mad that women kill their children when some of us grieve the inability to have a child...they just throw the ability away as if it doesnt matter...what has happened to women?? what has happened to our emotions and our love?? and anyone who has an abortion should feel guilt....they should grieve that decision for the rest of their life...

Look, I'm sorry that you can't have a child =( But you're giving infertile women a really bad name.

I could delve further into this argument because it's no longer a debate, but I won't, I'll spare you the anger. But seriously, is it just me or do all infertile women I've met are so inconsiderate?

Whether I'm for abortion or not, it doesn't matter atleast I was open-minded enough to take in both views even if I didn't agree with them. But I won't stand here, and watch you spout more disrespectful things to me, nor would I stand here and allow you to shove Christianity or any religion that you deem "god" down my throat.

Thanks but no thanks, good day.

im sorry....it was wrong of me and i do feel pretty bad...no its not all infertile women...its just me...and im not christian so when i said "God" i merely mean whatever deity u follow...i used the bible quote cause most ppl r christian and they respond to things they are familiar with...but seriously im sorry...i got a little too mad over it...its silly really to get that worked up over something...u r right there are more points of view and just cause i dont agree doesnt mean i should disrespect others...im actually very mild mannered most days...once more i will say im sorry and im leaving this topic so this doesnt happen again...have a good day urself...