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This is the debate forum. You judge ARGUMENTS, not PEOPLE. For you to say that you're going to sit on your high throne and judge someone's character is a display of your own ineptitude. I have no problem if you disagree with someone's reasoning, but when you attack the character behind it, you've crossed a line. It's disrespectful, to say the least, and I'm not going to stand up for it, ESPECIALLY against Molly, who has been through more shit than you could even imagine. She's a damned strong woman to come out on top after all she's been through, and for you to get all high and mighty when you only know a snow flake on the tip of an iceberg is insulting, degrading, and downright wrong. You know, to be honest, sometimes I wonder if I'd make the same decisions that she did, but the fact that she stands up for the decisions she made and does not have any reservations about her choices shows a lot about her character, and you publicly berating her without any regard to what she's been through reveals even more about yours. |
i think abortion should be used under certain circumstances. ive heard of the churches vies of it. and i have turned my pastors views bit.
this is what i told him "if your a whoring slut and you get preggers, deal with it. its your kid. if you dont want it give it for adoption. but lets say, your a fourteen year old girl who was rapped, only to find out she got pregnant. would you as a father want your daughter to have to suffer the memory of getting pregnant by the hand of a rapist by carring the child to full term?" he had to think about it, then he said onyl one thing 'you have a very good point' like i said, if under certain circumstances, abortion is right. |
...If I were a parent, I wouldn't want my child to be referred to as a "whoring slut", first of all, and I would most certainly not want to force her to be a walking incubator, regardless of the circumstances surrounding her impregnation. I'm not sure what your point is :|
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If a married woman wants an abortion and she has been impregnated by her husband, is she a "whoring slut"? |
the point is, if you have sex with everyone, and become pregnant. then you shouldnt get an abortion. your screwed a lot of males, its your fault for not using protection. then you should keep it. now im not saying i want a law made about it. im just saying what i believe. if i ever have kids and my daughter *knock on wood* becomes preggers. ill give her the choice, ill strongly make my thoughts known, but if she wishes to terminate it. ill support her the whole way.
or. if your only having kids for the wellfare i think you should be spayed. but i do believe that is off topic. |
So long as you do not push to legislate your views, I have no qualms with them.
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Okay, so apparently the woman needs a punishment for being a whore who didn't use protection. Assuming the girl does what you say, she'll probably get an STD eventually, I would call that a punishment. Why also punish a child? Also, I wouldn't be shocked if this thread gets locked soon; would you guys PLEASE practice just a little restraint when it comes to personal opinions of each other? |
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It's not robbed of a life. It doesn't have a life to be robbed of. Sometimes, when the life you live is just going to be a long string of hardships, it's really just kinder not to have the baby at all. |
Right now I have a visual of two women screaming at the top of their lungs at each other and pressed chest to chest and kind of shoving back and forth a bit. I have read through this thread from about page 70 forward.
What started as a well written debate (for the most part) has spiraled in to name calling and attacking personal situations. No one person's life is ever like anothers and no one can possibly know what decision is right for them until they are faced with a situation where they have to make this decision. This is a debate on abortion. It is not about judging a person for the choices they made REGARDLESS of whether they put themselves out there or not. There is no 1st Amendment here. Menewsha law is the law you are to conform to if you wish to continue here. We allow you quite a bit of freedom to discuss as you please but when it becomes personal you are crossing a line and breaking our rules. I will ask that you keep to the topic at hand and that is abortion and your views. I know debates can get heated because both sides feel strongly about their cause or beliefs but do not allow it to get personal again. The people involved earlier will be dealt with individually but it is not fair to punish all of the users in the thread unless there is a reason to. Keep it civil and that is all. Ramble ramble ramble... :) Oh yeah... and don't forget the rules of this forum: http://www.menewsha.com/forum/commun...e-posting.html |
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Nope. My sister (who IS in fact a slut) got pregnant at the age of...17 I believe. Anyways. She choose to have an abortion. Not because she couldn't afford it (our family was more than willing to help her). Not because the man who got her pregnant wouldn't have stayed (we've gone over this already). Not because of the health issues (there were none, our family is extremely healthy and we're all built for birthing if you know what I mean). School wouldn't have been an issue in any way. She could have graduated before the baby was even born. Nope, she had no good reason other than the fact that she just doesn't care about anyone but herself and she just didn't want it, mainly because she didn't want to change her lifestyle. Not saying everyone chooses abortion because of this, that was just her case. She did NOT learn her lesson and continued being the slut that she is, sleeping with a different guy every three weeks or so. (if not more often). Guess what? She got pregnant, only a year and a half later! :o She kept it this time, though even STILL she is exactly as she was before. So...no. Having an abortion won't necessarily change how she acts, but neither did keeping the kid. |
Sorry your sister is so irresponsible, Shalandriel :\ I hate to hear stories like that, I really do.
Just like to point out though, even if she would've graduated the baby could have interfered with college. That is, if she was planning on going. I take it she wasn't, though. |
She is going to college currently and the baby has in no way interfered. Like I said, we've got family more than willing to help.
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And lastly, why should the woman be forced to give up her happiness for a fetus? Are you forced to give up your happiness to the homeless, the children without homes, the people who are hungry? |
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And it's a federal thing. It's part of welfare. Unless you make tons of money, it's nearly impossible for a pregnant woman to be denied social services. -sigh- I never said 'homelessness was a myth', and I've already corrected myself. Karma? What kind of karma does a baby killer get? hmm? |
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So, sure, she can get her pregnancy paid for, and she'll get some form of child welfare for a while, but that won't necessarily keep her and her children off of the street (unless, of course, her children are taken away from her by child services) |
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As for this.. I spent 10 years in homeless shelters. Go to one and see how many pregnant women you find. If your argument is "Well a homeless shelter is a home" then you've never seen one. They're slim pits full of thieves and drug addicts and there are very very few decent people willing to help a person. My mother was pregnant twice while we lived in them. The extent of her government care was insurance and food stamps. We got on a waiting list for the projects but never got in. This is normal. This happens every day. Why don't you stop assuming and go look for yourself? Look up the nearest shelter or half way house and see how they live, see the children and pregant women. Then you can go to the VA and take a look at now bad the Vets are being cared for, just for a little iceing on the cake. No one cares about these people. Only the lucky ones get out. But if your argument is "well a homeless shelter is at least shelter" Then you're right, they've got a roof over their heads. Good for them. life is shit but at least it's not raining. |
personally I feel that what someone does to their body is their own deal, so it should be legal. Would I ever get one? No. I couldn't do that. But that doesn't mean I have the right to tell someone else they can have one.
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