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Christianity is a religion. He's wanting homosexual marriage outlawed because it is religious law.

Disregarding the contstitution in a government establishment is against the law.

Seriously, i thought it wasn't that hard to understand.

Yes, but you specifically quoted a part of the constitution that states that people have the right to establish religion.
I.E. Freedom of Religion. That has absolutely nothing to do with homosexuality.

Be logical.

If voting against homosexuality was currently against the law do you really think they'd let people do it?

i am being logical.

there are 2 verses about religion in the first amendment. the second part says congress cannot prohibit the free practice of religion. The first part is saying that no religious law shall be made into federal law. There's a major difference. There's freedom of religion, there's also freedom from religion. Congress is not allowed to make religious law to be federal law because then they are forcing people to live by christian law in a country that was founded on the principles of the freedom from religious persecution, which is what this is. The first amendment is about freedom of religion and freedom from religion. Learn it. Live it. Love it.

The united states often violates the constitution, which is why so many people are pissed off that the governments are so corrupt and retarded. Another example? Take a look at the gun laws in over half the states, then look at the 2nd amendment.

Ok, firstly. I'm on your side. (As far as homosexual right go anyway.)
And I do understand what you're saying.
Yes, there is supposed to be a separation of church and state and voting based upon your religious beliefs seems to go against that.
However, doing so is not illegal for a single voter.
Please, differentiate between a governing body and an individual with a right to vote.
People have the right to vote however the want to.

You're argument is moot because people have a constitutional right to vote in the United States. It's illogical not to realize that most people vote a certain way based upon their own moral compass.
Seriously how many people do you think are completely unbiased when they walk into the voting room?

It could be reasonably argued that your votes are swayed by the fact that you don't agree with religious views on the subject of homosexuality and your vote is therefor swayed by anti-religious sentiment. Would you want your right to vote to be revoked because of that?

i'm actually catholic so i understand both sides.

However, even though someone has a right to vote, they need to keep in mind the purpose of this country and what the constitution says. Homosexuals also have the right to have a pursuit of happiness which is being denied to them. I think that anyone with the tiniest of respect for this country should read to constitution.

You're not supposed to make religious law be federal law according to the first amendment.

I was raised in a Roman Catholic family.
My grandmother is strictly religious and attends a pre-Vatican 2 service. The traditional Latin mass.
The one where woman have to wear veils and formal dress and only members of the parish can receive communion. I've been told that I'm going to hell on numerous occasions. It really develops character.
However my best friend is also Roman Catholic but she's the kind of Catholic who thinks with her head instead of just believing everything she's told.
But she's still serious about her love of Christ. She lectors and teaches CCD. She's one of the best people I know.

But As I've said. It's easy to say keep separate the Church and State, it's hard to enforce it. People are never truly neutral. We are all motivated by internal thoughts and feelings.
Until the government develops a mind-reading device there's no definitive way to prove that someone's vote violates the law. Let me ask you this, should an atheist who doesn't believe homosexuality should be legal because he finds it gross and unnatural be allowed to vote?

The vote should not be made because people were sent out of the country.
It should be made because people have become more tolerant and respectful.
If we attempt to take away a person's right to vote based upon our own beliefs, we become no better than they are.

The gay rights movement is making progress. It could be much worse.
You could be living in a century where homosexuals would be shot, hanged, gutted, or burned on sight for revealing their preference.

True. I was in a bit of a bad mood earlier, and i can't stand people that go out of their way to oppress people. You'd think we'd have learned by now :\

Amen to that. ^_~

I love how you contradicted yourself in that very statement. "Gays can get married, but I'm still voting no!" Don't they, you know, cancel each other out?

And then this whole "God's wishes" thing. How can I be an abomination to God when I'm not even a part of his religion? Oh, right. Because it's icky. And because God's way is supposed to be everyone's way.

I have no problem with God. I have a problem when he becomes the reason I am not allowed to marry my SO; when I'm not allowed to visit said SO in the hospital when she's in critical condition, or have a hand in deciding whether or not to pull the plug if she's on life support; when our child could get taken away because we couldn't get joint adoption because I happen to be a lesbian.

I have a problem when God becomes the reason that over 1400 rights are denied to American citizens.

Amen. What's happening is flat out and blatant descrimination. Don't let them marry in the church, FINE. But not allowing them to marry by the state is complete descrimination and defiling the very reason this country was founded...and it frankly angers and saddens me. Hopefully some day soon we will be able to get a bill passed for you guys. I have lots of gay friends and don't see why they can't have the same rights i will get when i get married

Because obviously if you're a homosexual you're only in it for the sex. That's why you're a homoSEXual. :P

And I don't identifiy strictly as a lesbian--I'm pansexual, but I prefer women to men. I've only ever loved one person in my life, though, and she didn't feel the same.

Nevertheless, I will never marry as long as gays don't have the full legal rights granted to straight couples. So we'll fight together!

not always! i have a friend who is gay but has not slept with any one.

and before any one says "how is he sure he is gay" to put it as it is he only likes males.

Sweetie, I was being facetious. I KNOW gays aren't in it for the sex. Heck, I like women better than men (though I don't think exclusively) and I'm still a virgin. :P

There are a LOT of people out there who are so against the whole thing that they WILL argue that gay people are only in it because they have a sick fetish for their own sex.

Its just so wrong, because just 'cuz they cant imagine themselves doing it they just cant understand that love it love no matter what genders it is between. All they can think is that they believe that it is so against nature that it should be illegal to even consider being gay.

People like that need to be smacked with their bibles and open their eyes and realize that just because they dont agree with it doesn't make it wrong.

Why do you accept gay marriage?
Because, I R HOEMOSECKUALL.

Does it make you all warm and fuzzy inside because another couple has found their soul mates?
D: Not usually. It usually just reminds me that I have no one. If it's a heterosexual couple it just annoys me that they're more accepted than we are.

Does it not occur to you, that it is strange, that two people of the same gender have fallen in love?
Nope. xD

First of all, marriage is between men and women.
Says who? Some old dirtbag who sits in some throne and tells the church what to do? Marriage isn't between a man and a woman, it's between people.

Have you ever been to a wedding?
Yes, many. D:<

They all begin the same way. You know, with Dearly beloved, we are gathered here today to unite this man and woman in holy matrimony. MAN AND WOMAN! They do not say Man and Man, or Woman and Woman for a reason. It is strictly MAN AND WOMAN.
What reason? You seem to think that they have a reason. The only reason they have is that they're always marrying a man and a woman. Haha. Actually, I live in Canada (where it IS legal). I've heard them say "These two men" or "These two women" PLENTY OF TIMES. Your logic is non-existent. You haven't stated what reason they have, only that they have some magical reason floating around somewhere in never never land. D:<

For those who always have to take the religious side, God created Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve.
Who says they didn't make a typo? Lmfao. Kidding. So WHAT? 9/10 people ARE straight. It so happens that the first couple was straight. Therefore, that dictates what should happen for EVERYONE ELSE ever born in all of history, now and in the future? In case you hadn't noticed, the main elements of Christianity are acceptance and caring. SEGREGATION AND ELITISM ARE NOT A PART OF CHRISTIANITY. Lastly, the bible says we need to sacrifice goats too. But we don't. Why? Because the second testament over-writes many of the issues created in the first testament. -_-

Honestly, God created marriage as a structure to raise a family and create a successful society.
Yeah, because the world needs MORE children and gays can't be successful, that's why Ellen DeGeneres has such a popular show...

Why would he create marriage for gays and say, I created Earth, now go and screw it up! Seeing as the world is already messed up, gay marriage is overall one more step to the worlds destruction.
What the fuck? If you're harping on this point, how come you aren't also harping on people who have abortions or people who don't have children. Obviously people who are infertile are leading to the worlds destruction. Same with people who aren't married?

One of the main problems with gay marriage is children. Obviously, you cannot have a child with your partner of the same gender, so you must adopt one. Either way, the parents raise a child, and children take after their parents, and the children have a high probability of becoming homosexual, or for those who happen to be vocabulary challenged, gay themselves.
Hanging around gays makes you gay. Same way that hanging around tall people makes you tall. :roll: I'm sure you agree that straight couples ONLY HAVE STRAIGHT KIDS too, huh? That's totally untrue. It's been proven by science that homosexuality is genetic. If there are more gays that come out of having gay parents it is because they are not afraid of coming out, like homosexuals in straight families. Did I mention that the world suffers from OVERPOPULATION!? Oh yeah, they're killing children in China. >_>


Now if you raise gay children, and those children get together with other gay people and get married and the chain repeats with adopting and creating more gay couples.
Okay, even though your logic is wrong, I will continue by your logic. Gays only have gays and straights only have straights. 1/10 people is gay. Therefore, let's say that 1/10 kids raised is raised by a gay couple. Let's start off with 5 gay couples and 45 straight ones. (1*5 and 9*5 = 5 and 45). Each couple has two kids.
After one generation: 90 straight, 10 gay
After two generations: 180 straight, 20 gay.
See where I'm going with this? Your point is void.

With mass amounts of gay people, then our kind will slowly stop. Just like endangered animals, the straight people of Earth will slowly be depleted and birth of new children will eventually come to a halt. Right now, gay marriage is allowed in some states, like Massachusetts, and there are people for and against gay marriage. Do you really want us to cease to exist? Enabling gay marriage is simply a death wish.
I just disproved this point. In my last statement.

Words can not describe my anger at your ignorant words.
:x

*watches you slide down the slippery slope you've made for yourself*

Logical fallacy, sweetie--A will not happen because B does.

[quote="Raja-nime"]Wow...that's interesting...

But honestly I don't think that people are going to start marrying their dog (ignore that strange guy in India that just did it!!) lol

And there are laws (obviously) against Michael Jackson marrying little boys...

[quote="Majinkoz"]What's interesting about it? It's not TRUE. People aren't going to start this kind of thing just because gays get married. Simple as that.

[quote="Raja-nime"]There's different kinds of love, people. Most people don't love their pets or kids the same way as they love their partner.
And as for those who do... well, there's issues of consent. Both people have to want to get married to have a marriage, and animals and kids aren't considered capable of consenting.
I wish people would stop thinking that homosexuality and bestiality are somehow equivalent. Homosexuality is something done between consenting adults (well, for the most part - there's sex offenders of every orientation). Bestiality is a human abusing a non-sentient being. The two are not comparable.

Agreed. I don't have the most conventional views on alternative sexualities, but I DO know where to draw the line in regards to them. Homosexuality? Yeah, it's pretty obvious that they can consent, and just because you find buttsecks icky doesn't necessarily make it wrong.

I believe that everyone is entitled to love who they want.

Having said that i wouldnt want a guy to come on to me it would just freak me out.

But i believe in equality so everyone should eb able to love who they want and do what they want well with in reason of course.

I'm not "different" if you know what I mean, but I think people should be able to decide who they want to be with. The government shouldn't decide for them.