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Lysander 12-25-2007 12:01 AM

Ly needs tips and pointers
 
I was wondering if people could give me some tips and pointers about how I can improve my art. I want all critique, good and bad!

My DeviantArt: http://eru-chan.deviantart.com

Line Art:
http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/9...tmasts5.th.jpg http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/7566/jaketh6.th.jpghttp://img509.imageshack.us/img509/3...rmalvo8.th.jpghttp://img143.imageshack.us/img143/6492/kishibo7.th.jpg
http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/2...chanio2.th.jpghttp://img156.imageshack.us/img156/2826/girlmr6.th.jpg
http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/7...ngelxx5.th.jpghttp://img257.imageshack.us/img257/2623/mechaey7.th.jpg

Shaded:
http://eru-chan.deviantart.com/art/Fallen-44565186
http://eru-chan.deviantart.com/art/Hero-46044178
http://eru-chan.deviantart.com/art/Anthro-Fox-46043795
http://eru-chan.deviantart.com/art/C...ocker-60344749
http://eru-chan.deviantart.com/art/Speedy-Egg-57742144
http://eru-chan.deviantart.com/art/S...d-Egg-57742421


Thanks so much for looking!

Aeschylus 12-25-2007 12:09 AM

I think that detailed-wise, you have got it all down, but there are some things about the anatomy that you might need to look over.

I do not know how to put it nicely, so here I go:

- I've noticed that your arms are a little too short. Arms should reach about mid-thigh.
- The heads are are grossly disproportionate to the body.
- The shoulders are very broad.
- I think that your clothes are very pretty, and detailed as well- but your faces look so... dull and well, not detailed. >_>
- Your ears a little high. (In the demon-winged elf waitress picture.) The tips of your ears are level with your eyes.
- In most pictures, you cover your hands, but in the second last one, the wrists are not defined enough. It sort of looks like he has log hands.
- Your necks are sort of thin.

Ah, please do not get me wrong, you are a great artist!

Lysander 12-25-2007 12:17 AM

Thanks for the advice! Heh, I personally don't think my art is very good at all, hence why I'm asking for advice. That, and I need to improve a bunch before I get into college.

Yea, my anatomy is off, heh. Long hands? Ah, hm.. thanks. I really should be working on getting the wrists and hands proper.

I'm so lost when it comes to adding details to the face. *explodes* I've only ever been able to add details to clothing.

Thin necks? Yea, they are, lol. Thanks for pointing that out.

Heh, I honestly prefer critiques that aren't the nicest (but are accurate).

Popcorn Gun 12-25-2007 12:26 AM

I wouldn't say the heads are grossly disporportionate, or dispoportionate at all, they look find to me.
The main problem I see that hasn't been adressed is the posture. Your characters seem so stiff. Try eperimenting with different poses. Even if they don't turn out right you can say you tried, and keep trying.
Don't forget male figure do have a curve to them, it's just not always as pronounced as female curves.
Otherwise it's pretty great, a lot of good detailing, just don't forget to add the proper folding, some of the clothing lacks that.

Lysander 12-25-2007 12:35 AM

The heads aren't? Hm.. thanks. I guess it's a matter of perspective, heh.

Usually when I goto give a male curves, they usually end up looking like a woman. Thanks for the tip though.

Yea, I probably should start playing around more with positioning. I guess they do look a little stiff, lol.

Satomi 12-25-2007 12:51 AM

Another thing you should work on is your strokes. It's not too bad on the clothing, although I do see some, but mostly on the hair. Your strokes are too short. Even with a pencil, it works like a sharpie. When you draw a straight line, what you see is actually a line with a darker shaded dot at the end. This tells you to not make such short strokes. Make them long and lengthy. If you draw a ball, draw it in one continuous stroke. And your hair style is strange too. When you draw hair, you need to connect it, but it seems all you do is just draw lines that don't connect. If you are doing that sort of feathery style, you need to do it without the entire hairdo, not just the outline.

Also some things that others might have said:
-strange loggish arms
-undetailed face compared to very detailed clothing
-when creating originial clothing(picture 1) try not to go too crazy with it, it looks strange otherwise
-the faces themselves are not too pretty. the elfish one was the best one of the 4. When you draw a person looking straight at them (not an angle or from side) then the nose should only show nostrils. Well, not "should" but it would look alot better like that. You also need to work on the eyes. Go on deviantart and look at random anime pictures, try to copy the eyestyles and see the best one fit for you. And the eyebrows. With the form of art you're doing, it's best to outline the eyebrows instead of feathering it or doing one simple line as in most chibi anime. For girls, it goes from thick to thin, starting in the inside, similar to a paintbrush stroke.

Aeschylus 12-25-2007 12:51 AM

Ah, I was going to talk about the postures, but I forgot. >_> I was looking at the third last one when I said the heads were disproportionate. Oh, wait. Now that I look at it, I think it might have been the face that threw me off. See, the face is sort of small and off in one corner, which led me to believing the head was small too. Sorry, my mistake...

Lysander 12-25-2007 01:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Satomi
Another thing you should work on is your strokes. It's not too bad on the clothing, although I do see some, but mostly on the hair. Your strokes are too short. Even with a pencil, it works like a sharpie. When you draw a straight line, what you see is actually a line with a darker shaded dot at the end. This tells you to not make such short strokes. Make them long and lengthy. If you draw a ball, draw it in one continuous stroke. And your hair style is strange too. When you draw hair, you need to connect it, but it seems all you do is just draw lines that don't connect. If you are doing that sort of feathery style, you need to do it without the entire hairdo, not just the outline.

Also some things that others might have said:
-strange loggish arms
-undetailed face compared to very detailed clothing
-when creating originial clothing(picture 1) try not to go too crazy with it, it looks strange otherwise
-the faces themselves are not too pretty. the elfish one was the best one of the 4. When you draw a person looking straight at them (not an angle or from side) then the nose should only show nostrils. Well, not "should" but it would look alot better like that. You also need to work on the eyes. Go on deviantart and look at random anime pictures, try to copy the eyestyles and see the best one fit for you. And the eyebrows. With the form of art you're doing, it's best to outline the eyebrows instead of feathering it or doing one simple line as in most chibi anime. For girls, it goes from thick to thin, starting in the inside, similar to a paintbrush stroke.

Longer strokes? Got it. I guess I'm so use to doing short ones that I fail at doing long ones. My art teacher kept yelling at me for that as well, guess I really should try longer strokes. Thanks. Strang longish arms? Alrighty.
Most of the clothing I draw are all bits and pieces from random JRock pictures I look at. I guess I'm not that great at mimicking them.

Yea, I fail when it comes to eyes as well. Thanks for pointing that out. DA? got it. Stop feathering eyebrows like I do? Alrighty, I'll work on not doing that.

I really don't know how to make the faces look that interesting.

Thanks for the pointers.

Satomi 12-25-2007 01:09 AM

Oh, and I said strange loggish, not longish. Your arms do need to be a little longer and skinnier. By loggish, I means it looks like a log, like an arm without joints. That's specifically for the 3rd picture, and maybe the 1st one. Drawing is a process of testing different styles.

Lysander 12-25-2007 01:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Satomi
Oh, and I said strange loggish, not longish. Your arms do need to be a little longer and skinnier. By loggish, I means it looks like a log, like an arm without joints. That's specifically for the 3rd picture, and maybe the 1st one. Drawing is a process of testing different styles.

Oops, I read longish, lol. Thanks. I'll work on that as well.

Satomi 12-25-2007 02:06 AM

Oh ya, one more thing, you kind of did it in the 3rd picture slightly, but not in the the first or second. Since you're doing a realistic style, its better to accentuate the eyes with an eye socket... Look at my Menewsha avatar. Between the eyes and the eyebrows, there's a curved line. That line shows the eye socket. It makes the eyes pop out a lot better. A simple line would suffice. But to get more detailed, do a slightly curved line and make another smaller line going in. Here's an illustration. I'm a terrible artist with a mouse and pencil tool... But that's basically what I'm talking about.

Lysander 12-25-2007 02:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Satomi
Oh ya, one more thing, you kind of did it in the 3rd picture slightly, but not in the the first or second. Since you're doing a realistic style, its better to accentuate the eyes with an eye socket... Look at my Menewsha avatar. Between the eyes and the eyebrows, there's a curved line. That line shows the eye socket. It makes the eyes pop out a lot better. A simple line would suffice. But to get more detailed, do a slightly curved line and make another smaller line going in. Here's an illustration. I'm a terrible artist with a mouse and pencil tool... But that's basically what I'm talking about.

Hm... alrighty. Thanks for the help. I'll try that out. I use to do that with my older drawings, for some reason stopped. Though, thanks a bunch for the tip.

Professor Lily 12-25-2007 09:16 PM

You have a Lot of talent! I think your work is really good! Keep it up!

Lysander 12-26-2007 02:44 AM

Hehe, thanks a lot Tiger Lily!

ladyumbra 01-07-2008 07:07 PM

You know I love your art ly. i will admit that anao's outfit is a bit over the top though ( if very her style)

Takuto 01-07-2008 09:39 PM

The heads looks disproportionate to me. (it could just be my eyes though.) The arms does seem to be a bit short for some. However, you do a great job with poses and with teh shoulders. You are very great with the details on teh clothing too. ^_^.


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