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Senoir suicide
For those cruising the forums looking for us to care about your whoa is me attitude you've come to the wrong place. Please don't try to make us care if you are contemplating suicide. You can read down the front page and you'll see what we think about it all. This is a subject about seniors (people over the age of 50 I'll say) Feeling that their lives are over so why wait for the inevitable. We've lived through the hell of teenage years we know there are ways for you to do it as well if you try.
If you don't like swearing please don't comment. I cuss up a storm when pissed or depressed. Guess what; I'm both. Though the media doesn't say a word there are a lot of people that are in their senior years and find the pills and pain and general deterioration of their lives more than they can bear. They see their close friends that they have known forever leaving them one by one. Family members are dieing and children and grandchildren have their own lives they they no longer seem to be as big a part of as they once were. Today my grandmother became one of thses people by taking many more perscription pills than is safe and barricading herself in her bedroom. There were many times that she had said she would do this exact thing but we had all just ignored it as just her talking and nothing more. We all feel as though there is something we should have done and feel slightly responsible in some way shape or form though we all know it is irrational we can't stop the thoughts from coming. We all understand what has happend and it eats us anyway. her youngest granddaughter, my cousin is almost 15 and she was the one that noticed that my grandmother was no longer breathing. It's something that she will never forget. This is a way for me to talk about it. If no one comments here I won't mind one bit. It's a depressing topic that most never want to deal with and I sypthize. I never did before today. I have only one request, if you don't have something constructive to say keep it to yourself. I will not hold back in the biting comments that will follow. When people flame me, I turn up the heat and throw it right back. |
wow..That's so sad. I'm sorry...
If someone talks like that, it might not be for attention. Especially someone that old.. People shouldn't ignore it or keep an eye on the person who does that. It's very serious. I didn't know..much older people were doing it..but I guess the news doesn't care because they would have died anyway. It's cruel. Maybe they feel lonely or they're in pain..That's just scary. I've volunteered at a nursing home, and they were all very nice.. I can't imagine any of them doing something like that, except for the ones that have their mind basically gone... Don't feel guilty, or anything.. She wouldn't want that I'm sure. I'm sorry for your loss, and hope you feel better in time. |
I wish that this was so easy but the truth is that she very much reminded us of the cry wolf thing! It was not as cut and dry as you would like to believe! I wish it was as simple as saying "You should not have ignored her!" But in truth as much as I hate to say it, you would have too!
In a way I was angry when I read that, it makes me feel like you are trying to say it was in fact partly our fault and that we ignored her feelings! I know that was not your intentions, but this is a touchy time and I am edgy! It is in fact a very hard subject to even consider and even harder to talk about! I do appreciate your kinds words of endearment and sympathy though! I want to say more on the subject, but it is not my place to say some things about it here. I will allow Wild to say what she would like to be told. |
Love ya hun and thanks for the allowance to do so. truthfully I really don't care much what is said since there is no way people could truly understand when they have no background to go on.
The thing is we didn't ignore it completely. My grandmother was a loving person but she has been saying things to the extent of living from her car, taking an overdose, selling everything she owns and moving away for years. After almost eight years of hearing these things we all became immune to her threats. She took Vicadin for back pain and when she was on them she was able to function without pain but emotionally it was one hell of a roller coaster that I hope no one ever has to deal with. We often called them her bitch pills because of this and begged her doctors to find something else because her moods were tearing our family apart. When I say this I mean literally not just making everyone yell at each other once and a while. My mother has not talked to my grandmother (her own mother) for more than 2 seconds in three years because of arguments while she was in a mood caused by her medication. My grandmother was a perfectionist and everything had to be done a certain way, when she was in one of her moods it became a war of who made this wrong and yell and pick until both her and the one she was accusing were either pissed beyond reason or in tears. In my family it was more than likely both. She was more stubborn then a mule and no matter what the argument was about no matter how trivial she wouldn't drop it. Today, before she had taken the pills, she had been yelling at my uncle and aunt because no one turned off the coffee maker. The argument escalated to how much my uncle drinks and things that happened years before, some before I was even born. I'm 20 years old. My aunt had had enough and called the cops trying to find some way to get my grandmother to calm down. Instead it seemed to be the final straw. It wasn't long after the cops left that she locked herself in the bedroom. And that my friends is just the tip of the iceberg. |
LOL! Yeah I hear you hunny!
Your welcome dear! I'm just sorry that this subject even has to be discussed! |
I'm pretty much in a position where I wished I could end my life since I tumbled down big time getting kicked from school and finding no job and feeling worthless daily.
Lately I'm trying to think of reasons to just get up in the morning no matter how ridiculous the reason. Otherwise I'm just considering ending it all. The only help I get is online from my friends, my parents aren't the best people to talk about with my problems, they call me over-sensitive or anything else that I don't need to hear in a situation like mine. However I hate it to always talk about me and my problems, I'll feel like a burden to anyone. |
Well on the subject of suicide I believe it is just plain out stupid! It is the cowards way out! And if you feel you have no reason to live then look around you! If you where to up and disappear what would your family say? Do you realize they will end up blaming them selfs even though it is not there fault! Do you really want that burden put on them? I highly doubt they do not care about you at all. they just may have a hard time showing it. As for the fact that you are going through some rough times, well, we all do. I in fact was kicked out of two schools and then told latter that a whole year of schooling I did did not count here and I did not graduate till I was 21. therefor being kicked out of school is a ridiculous reason to kill yourself. And the whole job thing yeah I have had problems too but that does not mean the world is against you and you need to end it.
Basically what I am trying to say is think about the people around you before you do something so stupid and erational! |
Arc this may seem harsh but at this moment it is complete truth. I really don't care. Continue reading and you may understand. Edana said about think about what the people around you may think, well I'm from the other side of the pond. My opinion is that you have no idea what true hardship is if you think that just being licked out of school, unable to find a job, and feeling as though no one cares, (Just because I don't doesn't mean there isn't someone out there that does) means life isn't worth living. There are so many people out there that wish that was all that was wrong in their lives. Believe me I've been there. Though it's never been seriously I have thought at times that life isn't worth living. Yeah Edana there are some things I haven't even told you. Granted this was a long time ago. |
Sadly my parents don't even take my depressions seriously therefore they probably even won't care if I did stop living.
If you don't do anything useful daily with your own mother calling you worthless all the time, do you think I would care how they would think while they don't even care or help me at all? School was a tough break, not finding a job sucks too but being called worthless by someone that brought me up means alot to me. |
Well as rode as it may sound... I am with wild on this one. I am sorry you are going through a rough time and having said difficulty's, But this thread is not about you and if what I say does not help you then there is nothing more for me to say.
To wild: I don't really expect to know everything, and truthfully I have not told all ether. I do how ever hate suicide and find it the cowards way out, but that is most likely due to all the deaths I have dealt with! I have been around multiable deaths of all kinds. I myself however am a victim of contemplating suicide, and therefor I guess I have no right to judge others. But I am aloud to give my opinion. this type of thing can bring out things in people that they have not said before. I will not be surprised to hear things I have not before. |
Yup Yup cowardly is something I've never thought myself as until I realized the day I was being stupid enough to think that there isn't one thing is this life to live for.
As for being thought of as worthless by someone who raised you there are so many things that they could think of you that is so much worse. I'll tell you something that's incredibly cliche but true, You're only worthless if you think you are. And if you are then what could you possibly to do be of worth. There is always somewhere that is hiring. It may be the most demeaning job on the planet but it's still a job. And frankly if you chose to ignore the advice we're trying to give you then this is not the thread for you. We are ones of tough love and the truth. If you shrug off our advice as nothing then that's your perogative. Because other than give these few words, we have no other effect on your life. That's something only you can effect here, be it in a positive or negative way. And in my opinion suicide is always negative no matter the circumstance. |
Well put my dear! I have nothing more to add to that comment cause you have said it exactly how I feel!
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I thought as much since we think so much alike. It's simple to think that with the exception of one person there is always someone worse off than you. There are also so many things that can go worse.
One example, I'll even use our little suicidal Arc: You could have no parents to think you're worthless. At least you have them. As for there being someone worse off.... I'm not even going there. Turn on the tv and you can see a million more than those simple things. |
My I do think are words were ignored and he ran away! So sad to bad!
One last thing incase you are still lingering here: If you do not care for our words then do as you please just remember, don't haunt me when half way down you realize I was right! |
Edana will know exactly what I'm about to say.
I had an art teacher that his friend committed suicide by shooting himself with the gun in his mouth. I remember one thing he said about it and I believe in his words whole heartedly. "Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem." Hopkins rule #1 |
LOL! That is so true I never thought anything he told us would be useful till now!
The sad thing is i actually thought of that too! |
Yet again. I knew it was true then but I never wanted it to hit this close to home. The truly sad thing is, is that I believe that my grandmother thought of it as the only solution after trying so long. I can see it I just don't want to know that she felt that there was nothing that could have been done. Her main driving reason was she wanted so badly to be with my grandfather. She was never the same after he passed away and she blamed him for leaving her.
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Yeah, I know what you mean!
It is sad how some people think! I hate to say it but in a way it was very selfish of her to do this. Sure there where times of joking about her, but obviously she was loved and there where still people here that needed her to live. |
Yeah sadly though we did love her all she ever saw was that we needed her to live with us because she had money coming in no matter what because of my grandfather's pension. It made it very hard when she started all this threatening to show that we needed her as a person since it was very hard to be close to her.
I think suicide is selfish as well since by leaving all your problems behind someone has to deal with them. All the problems she had are now on us. For a while tonight we thought that there was no way to bury her. Suicide is an insurance company's dream. It makes everything null and void. My grandmother had nothing as far as legal. Not even any kind of will. I think it's preposterous that they charge as much as they do for something that is so necessary. Well I must be getting to bed whether I'll sleep is completely up to fate. Night hun. |
I see! I feel the same way! I was wondering about that. So how did you guys come up with to raise the money for the funeral?
I have to get to bed to dear! |
We were trying our hardest to find all the papers that were from the cemetery. My mom managed to find papers that said that the opening and closing of the grave was paid for. Now we have a place to bury her just nothing to bury her in. My grandparents had the grave site and the burial plot and all that already taken care of. Her headstone's already there, it just needs a death date. We have no idea how we're actually going to pay for anything though since my aunt can't even pay her rent and we're barely surviving as it is with all of the shit that has been going on for longer than I care to remember.
Really going to bed this time I swear. |
It's sad that the public isn't aware of this, too many people think it's a teenage thing, but it makes much more sense for a middle-aged or older person to feel hopeless. Vonnegut, a brilliant writer who encorporated much of his life into his books, mentioned quite a few cases of this that had happened in his life with people close to him. It's sad, sad. I think the saddest cases are people who leave relatives behind. I've always seen it as the most selfish thing a person can do next to killing someone else. |
I'm sorry you lost your grandmother, especially in that way.
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I'm sorry about your grandmother.
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Euthanasia is something you do for a dog you can no longer care for that is suffering not a family member. I don't know about anyone else but I'm not some Eskimo that leaves their elderly on a sheet of ice to float off into the distance when they are no longer of any use to others.
My grandmother may not of been the most pleasant of people at times but none of us would ever consider sending her to her death. It resembles a death penalty convict execution way to much. |
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