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I just think it's better to put people out of their pain early.
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I am truly sorry about your grandmother! Actually, no one else can really know her reasons.
How was she getting these medications with no permanent address? I would find that doctor and haul his tail to court, so he could explain how he dispensed these things to a senior citizen with no permanent address. That is against the law, at least in the states. He was giving her narcotics, which requires a special prescription. I would find the pharmacist as well, and find out why he dispensed these dangerous medicines to a senior citizen who was apparently unstable. Was she at a point where she would allow no one to help her? Living in her car is not a normal situation, and why did the state, or county in which you live not know about her. There are apartments for senior citizens that are small, paid for by the government under Title 8, and the buildings have round the clock physicians and nurses. |
She wasn't actually living in her car. That was just one of teh things she would threaten to do when she had enough of dealing with the family problems that arose. She was living with my aunt (her daughter) and her family. She never really got along with my uncle who drink more than he should but isn't completely terrible... most times. That's a whole other can of worms though.
As for suing the doctor that gave them to her if we had the means we would for a completely different reason. My aunt had told my grandmother's doctor not to give Vicadin to my grandmother because of the side effects (extreme mood swings and suicidal tendencies) before and he did nothing. We have no proof of this and no way to afford lawyers that would be able to do us any good much less ones that can do anything for us at all. My grandmother had once been on a drug that worked better and did not have these side effects. One day my grandmother went to pick up prescriptions that had been faxed to the pharmacy and found that they had been switched back to vicadin. She called her doctor and he told her to just take them instead without another word. As for letting people help her, my grandmother was more stubborn then a mule and more stuck in her ways than a freight train. She had been prescribed pills for depression but she refused to take them. We all feel that she may have been a bit easier to deal with when in her moods if she had. But that was something that she simply would not accept. |
To defend my self in the euthanasia subject:
That kinda hit a nerve. I'm sorry if I went a little ballistic. My grandmother was by no means a feeble old women. She had problems but she had fun going out with her friends to clubs, not like clubs for 20-somethings but with line dancing and older music. She got around alright but when she had bad days she just hated not being able to do those things all the time. If this had not happened there would have been problems but she would have been able to live at least a couple years longer. Her only real problems were back and neck disks bulging and rupturing. These can be fixed with surgery but the pain during recovery is something she didn't want to go through again. Sorry for the double post I just needed a rant on the subject defending myself. |
Ahh. I'm sorry. It was actually fairly insensitive of me, now that I look back on it. You weren't out of line, either. I apologize. I'll leave now before I make a fool of myself even more. XD
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I am so sorry!
My own grandmother passed away 2 years ago. She wanted to go sooner, but we wouldn't allow it. I wish we had, she ended up having her foot amputated, then her leg...and then she was gone. I think that when you reach the end of your fulfilling life, you shouldn't be made to stay. I feel so horrible for making my grandma promise me that she would stay alive. She suffered horribly for the last part of her life and I do feel responsible for that. |
*hugs* wow, I dont know what I would do if that happened to me, I love my nana and I cant imagine her doing that. Depression can make people believe anything, I know, I suffer from it. She probably was saying those threats because she wanted to feel like people would care about her, and when everyone just ignored it, the depression made her truly believe they didnt care.
I am not sure about her, I am just guessing from my experience, I am being treated and when I look back I realize that my little subtle hints werent even that noticeable, so it made sense that no one saw. Anyways, I hope she will feel better soon, and be sure to give her an extra hug and let her know you love her. |
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I know how it can be to just blow something like that off, I really do. My husband's grandma is a very negative person and she's always talking about how the family ignores her and that her only true family is her dogs. But she is the one that alienates herself from the family and gets really offended if anyone insults her dogs. On Thanksgiving she came over with three or four of her dogs and one of them peed all over the carpet and my father-in-law was really irritated by this because she just shrugged it off and he brought up the fact that she yells at the grandkids all the time. So, needless to say she went home and hasn't come back since and is constantly placing the guilt trip on her family like "Oh, I bet if I were to die only my dogs would care." Kind of crap and it's really hard to take her serious because she's been doing it for years, anytime she gets in a fight with the family. So, like I said, I fully understand why you wouldn't believe she would do such a thing.
Also, I lost my own grandma years ago, but it wasn't by suicide. In all honesty, though, I still blame my mom. My mom was the one who was supposed to be in charge of taking care of her but my mom gets so wrapped up in her own "life" that she didn't take care of her. At one point, my mom was trying to get PAID for taking care of her. So when my grandma went into the hospital I blamed myself for not helping when I could and I blamed my mom, all the time. I felt like if we had been there to take care of her, or if she'd never moved into my moms, she would have been alive longer. I was really close to my grandma, so when she died I was terribly heart broken. I luh you guys. ;o <3 |
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Wow so many people with so many things to say!
Anyway baby girl I just wanted to tell you that I miss you and I want to see you sometime soon. I have some news to tell you! It is not the best and I know that is not what you need right now so I have been waiting to say anything! It is nothing on this scale though so don't think or worry about that! |
It's ok hun we'll just need bigger shovels to move all this shit and hopefully get on with life. Too bad we're too broke to rent a backhoe to bury it all.
((for readers. I already know what she needed to tell me since we do call each other and sometimes, someone even answers.)) oh and I'm contemplating actually getting a rose tattoo so don't loose our coupon. Now I just need to find out how to write never forgotten in Japanese. |
A bit off topic, but be sure to get an actual japanese person to write 'never forgotten for you, or it might end up meaning something else. xD Ive heard of that happening all the time, especially with kanji, since each one is a sound and character I believe. (hasn't learned kanji yet)
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Yeah I've been trying to find it but my computer is retarded and won't display anything that isn't the roman alphabet. I'm thinking about just going and getting a Japanese dictionary to find it. Otherwise I only know one person that would be able to write it for me.
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yea, my comp does that too
to bad I dont still go to japanese class... I just had an idea (woah 0.o j/k) xD my minister is from japan, and a japanese professor, I will try to remember to ask him. |
I've noticed a lot of rude behavior in this thread. I know that suicide and everything it entails is a very sensitive subject, but I've noticed a lack of consideration for others' opinions here. Some posts on the first page were borderline flaming toward another user.
No warnings will be issued at this time, but please try to keep the hurtful comments out. Mocking others for their feelings and beliefs is downright cruel, no matter how much pain you may be in yourselves. Please try to tone it down a little bit if more discussion revolving around the issues at hand comes up. Thank you. |
I'm really sorry for your loss.
I know what it's like to lose someone close to you to suicide and feel like you could've helped or should've noticed the signs or something. One of my closest friends since grade school (I'm now in college)commited suicide last year on feb 21st. It was during break and I felt so responsicle because we were supposed to hang out during break but got stuck with extra shifts at work. I felt like if i hadn't had work i would've noticed something wasn't right. But who knows. I agree with you that suicide is a cowards way out. I was so mad at her when she did it and sad and frustersted with myself for not being there for her that I couldn't even function normally. I had to take a few days off from school and basically spent them at her house helping her mother prepare things for the funeral and the get together/reception afterwards, and sitting in her room with our other friends crying...it was rough and now with the anniversairy of her death approaching i'm feeling that sadness and frusteration starting to return. People need to think about others before ever thinking about suicide because I'm sure neither my friend nor your grandmother fully understood just how many lives they would be affecting but ending their own. Again I am sorry for your loss and hope that someday the pain may lessen. Lord knows it'll take a while though unfortunately but if u ever need anything even if it's just someone to rant to pm me ok? |
You know...suicide is just the easy way out.
The sad thing is, people realize that, they just are a bit wary to take action, and it's totally understandable. The easiest way out is to talk to someone to elevate your self-esteem, and know that you're always worth a shot. Life's never worth not living for, otherwise, you wouldn't be born in the first place, right? |
My grandmother is quickly losing her sanity just like her mother did who was institutionalized. My grandmother is my father's mother, so my mother isn't at risk but I might be one day. It's probably schizophrenia. I don't want to grow old enough to inherit it. I don't want to go insane and hurt people close to me. I want to be able to trust that my mind will hold up. It's hard. I can't bear the thought of losing my freedom, so I might one day have to consider suicide an option if I start slipping in later years. It's a terrible option, but the other is much worse in my mind. I don't plan on having children, I don't want to unintentionally pass on something that I won't know if I have until old age and I'll make sure I over my expenses before I go. It's so hard to discuss or think about. |
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