cAt-chan you think you have it bad? when they have to draw my blood it takes them 15 minutes to find the vein and another 10 to get the needle in it, very rarely have I gotten someone who can do it no problem, my veins are so deep you can barely feel them and I heal without a scar so I can't just say stick me here. try have a needle swishing around inside you and then feel the pain afterwards XD