...It's amazing to me that you had the balls to post right after me and snip every paragraph down to one sentence. I'd applaud you, if it weren't so obnoxious.
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How exactly does that work? All you need is a birth certificate to prove your a citizen... If someone lost their birth certificate they can pretty much call the state that they were born in and get a new one. Not difficult.
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...That does not in any way prove you're an American citizen. Those who became citizens later in life would not be helped by a birth certificate. And yes, it can be very difficult. I've had to get a new birth certificate before, and it took nearly a year and a lot of running around. Thank the gods I didn't have to move during that time, or I likely never would have gotten it. And I can't even imagine what those who were adopted might have to go through.
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Even if someone was found to be illegal through racial profiling, they wouldn't able to be deported because it was illegally found that they were illegal. It wouldn't hold up in court so there is no point in actually racially profiling someone.
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Just like arrests made based on racial profiling don't hold up in court, right? It's true that racial profiling is illegal, but it's only newly illegal and almost impossible to prove, so victims of it usually don't even bring it up.
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Also, I think it was a little nasty to attack someone personally for a law that we haven't observed in effect yet.
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Too bad. She's claiming that it won't be based on race when not only will be, but already has been -- Arizona's track record when it comes to dealing with its Hispanic population is less than great. If she doesn't have to bother with human rights, I sure as hell don't have to play nice with her.
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They do exist separately however the exist together as well. While not all drug, human and weapons trafficking are done by illegal immigrants, border control will tell you that a lot of what they see are illegal immigrants attempting to traffic humans, drugs and weapons. These markets make big bucks. According to Arizona state officials, if there is a large amount of drugs found somewhere in the city, it's almost always from Mexico and the people busted with it are illegal immigrants.
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Really? Then find me a source telling me such. And by the way, both border patrol and law enforcement are extremely biased sources. In the same way that you don't trust cops when it comes to drug prices, you don't trust a group to tell you how big a problem is when they get way more funding and support and attention the bigger the problem is. And yes, I realize that some illegal immigrants are involved in smuggling. I said as much in the section of my post you deleted. But most are not, and most of the ones who are are small fries, pawns. They are usually either very poor and need the money, or have had their families threatened (this has become a more common occurrence as of late) and were pressured into getting involved in smuggling. The suppliers and buyers are, more often than not, legal citizens of whichever side of the border they're on, and can easily find new ways of getting business done. They, the actual source of the problem, will never be touched, so trafficking will never be affected.
And again, a lot of the problem comes from countries other than Mexico. Since they'll only be affecting illegal immigration from Mexico, they're only even addressing maybe 5% of the trafficking issue. So even if they eliminated 100% of the trafficking coming from or going to Mexico, they've barely put a dent in the problem. But then, that doesn't matter to them, because the real motivation has nothing whatsoever to do with actually lowering crime rates.