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Originally Posted by Glitter Golgotha
I also never said that just because I and the people I know do not have any problems, no one does. Read again, please. What I am saying is that just because something is possible, doesn't mean it's the usual.
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And I'm saying that you have no idea if it's usual or not. I just presented FIVE studies (again, six including the survey) saying that it IS usual. You have yet to refute them with any real evidence.
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How can you even try to compare rape to a spanking?
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Because you brought up intent.
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Because it's sexual in nature, quite unlike spanking a child.
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Again, just because it's not sexual for
you does not mean it is not sexual for the child. YOU cannot be the judge of what someone else feels is sexual in nature or not, regardless if the recipient of your actions is a child or adult.
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Frankly, a spanking isn't damaging enough.
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Here it is again! It's another matter of, "It's not as bad as cutting off
both arms, so that makes it okay."
You are still damaging a child.
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It doesn't take much to upset a child. If you let children define what is or isn't acceptable, then you end up with children who have no discipline whatsoever. What needs to be looked at is whether the child is being truly harmed physically or psychologically and if there is neither, then there is no crime.
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In no way and at no time did I suggest that an absence of discipline is the only or even an acceptable alternative to hitting a child, nor did I suggest that you should allow the child to define "acceptable" punishment. I said that YOU cannot decide how a child feels for him or her, and YOU cannot decide where that pain threshold exists for that person.
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However, a near painless smack to the rump is hardly assault worthy of legal action.
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Assault is assault is assault. Assault is illegal, period. Oh, unless it's assault against a child, in which case it's considered "parenting," for the arbitrary reason of the recipient's age.
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I've seen plenty of instances in which adults would smack each other's hindquarters as a sort of "good job" or "encouragement" gesture that exists only as a sign of acknowledgment and pushing forward. It is not intended to be sexual, nor is it taken that way by the recipient.
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It also involves the consent by both parties. How many children do you know of who consent to a parent hitting them?
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The fact of the matter is, the evidence that has been presented here does not apply to all individuals and thus cannot be used as a generalization for why an act in itself should be banned. Intent and outcome are every bit as important as action, and need to be taken into consideration.
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The right to not be assaulted DOES apply to everyone. Except children, according to you.
And let's not forget that
spanking does not work, especially in the long-term. Spanking in the short-term does not even yield consistent results.
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Of the 92 studies reviewed by Elizabeth Gershoff, over 90% found that parental physical punishment is linked with negative behaviours and experiences of children.
Behaviours and experiences that increased included:- child aggression (being violent to others)
- child delinquency and antisocial behaviour
- the risk of becoming a victim of more serious physical abuse
- adult aggression later in life
- adult criminal and antisocial behaviour
- risk of abusing one’s own child or spouse.
Behaviours and experiences that decreased included:- the quality of relationship between parent and child
- child mental health, e.g., poorer self-esteem and poorer adjustment to school
- moral internalisation (physical punishment actually lessens the chances that children will learn the rules and values their parents are wishing to instill)
- academic achievement
- adult mental health.
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Source. Emphasis mine.