Really? That, I don't hear. In one of their acoustic songs, you can hear ONE part where's he's slightly out of tune, but that's the only part in any of their songs that I hear any out-of-tune-ness.

Yeah, well I'm trying to figure out what their "image" would be, because they're all so different as individuals. I love that they're so passionate about the music, and they're not scared to try new things.

I mean, I guess they've had a bit more of an image recently...but so has Green Day, with their more uniform look. Otherwise they've always been pretty casual, except for Pete with his "stylish" hair, his clothing line, and his popped collars and hoodies and trend-following. xP

I like that they're associated with straight-edge, except for Joe. Mostly it's just Pete and Andy, and Pete is questionable now. 'Cause Patrick wasn't really into the hardcore scene. I mean, he WAS, but not nearly as much. He joined the band because Pete was in it, and Pete was in Racetraitor, a hardcore band he liked...but I don't think Patrick ever actually played in any of the hardcore bands in the scene...though I think he may have played with Arma Angelus a couple times. I dunno.

I just love their attitude as a band. They're not in it for the fame, and never expected to get famous...and they don't care if they're the most innovative band as long as they do the best they can with what they're doing, and keep striving to get better. They really respect their fans for getting them where they are today. They know they owe everything to the fans.