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Old 10-03-2011, 03:08 AM

Need to tell you guys who donate by phone to stop even trying until Inso can get a new provider sorted out. Kambi's welched on its promise of keeping its service going until a particular date and people are no longer able to use it, they're trying, but nothing's happening.

Inso is looking into a replacement, in the meantime I encourage those of you who can to use Paypal instead, as it is the most cost effective method. Meaning that more of your donation actually comes to us, instead of lining the carrier's pockets.

Paypal works in a similar way; with the more you give in one go, the smaller their fees, so we get more of the donation.

If I can break it down quickly, these are Paypal's transaction fees for donations:

..................................................Amount you donate ..... Paypal fee .....Percentage......Amount we get
.................................................. ...........$2.50 .................... 39c -............. 15.6%-..............$2.11
.................................................. .............$5 .....................- 47c -............. 9.4%-...............$4.53
.................................................. ............$10 ....................- 64c ............... 6.4%-...............$9.36
.................................................. ............$25 -................... $1.15 ............. 4.6%-..............$23.85
.................................................. ............$50 -................... $2 -................ 4%-..................$48
To explain those:

If you made 4 seperate donations of $2.50 (which some people do) then Paypal will take 39c for each donation, so what Mene actually gets from that $10 total is $8.44.

Where as if you donated $10 in one got, we'd get $9.36, nearly a whole dollar more in our pockets instead of Paypal's!

But even Paypal's highest fleecing is still only half that of the cheapest carrier fees for SMS donations. They take 30% of a transaction at the very least, and they take that much no matter how much you donate. These fees vary per country, up through the rediculous to the unbelievable. If you live in Argentina the fee from the company Inso is considering switching to is a staggering 89% (so if you donated $10, and all we'd get would be $1.10!!)

Bearing in mind that it's the mobile phone companies levying these charges, not the SMS donation provider. It's people like T-Mobile etc. that are charging these exorbitant rates just to pass a message and some funds along.

Yes, well As I'm sure you've picked up on, the SMS donation racket get me a bit ticked off! Really gets me mad how these companies are taking so much money from our pockets for doing basically nothing >_>

So yes! TL;DR version...

Kambi dead, use Paypal if you possibly can, and we'll hopefully have a new service soon! And if it's at all possible for you to switch to using Paypal permanently, you'll be benefitting us as we'll get more of your much appreciated donation




Just to add...because I'm not done being mad about SMS fees yet today!

As well as the carrier's fees, the SMS provider has a fee too. OneBip's is 10%. If your sales volume for one particular country is above a certain amount for one month then OneBip's fee just for that country goes down to 6% for just the next month, or 3% if you have truly massive sales ( for the UK the 6% target is £2,000. 3% is £40,000...so we would never get a cheaper rate)

So if someone donated $10 who's country's carrier fee was 40%, we'd only get HALF of that $10 because of the combined carrier and provider fees. :(

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Old 10-03-2011, 03:19 AM

I wish I had money to donate period but I don't even have money to buy food for myself D: *mooching off my parents until I can get back on my feet*

That sucks that kambi fell through! But at least paypal is reliable!

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Old 10-03-2011, 03:20 AM

Interesting. Though I still don't have paypal and have to rely on mail-in donations. XP

Also: Much luck to Insomniac on finding a new and really good provider as soon as possible! :3

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Old 10-03-2011, 03:21 AM

Wow that is so ridiculous!! I can't believe they take that much out! Good luck finding a new provider.
Paypal rocks:) I use it for everything!

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Old 10-03-2011, 03:24 AM

If I had money in my Paypal account I would use it to donate to the site... but alas, I am broke. :/
But that really stings about finding a new provider. Good luck with finding a new provider.

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Old 10-03-2011, 03:25 AM

Interesting time to hear a user in my thread mentioning an alternative yesterday.... o.o

Was called OneBip. (No idea if it's any good)

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Old 10-03-2011, 03:30 AM

It's OneBip that charges 89% for Argentina :ninja:

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Old 10-03-2011, 03:36 AM

here's hoping if they do they find one for the normal home phone, would make it easier on me to donate.

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Old 10-03-2011, 03:37 AM

I'm glad I donate via Paypal. The more money to you, the happier I am. I want to help mene as much as possible.

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Old 10-03-2011, 03:41 AM

And we really appreciate that, Neller :hug:

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Old 10-03-2011, 03:42 AM

I got a better plan....
Why don't you come over to my house, I'll give you CASH$$$, and we can have some coffee or tea together ♥

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Old 10-03-2011, 03:47 AM

paypal is safer and has been proven to be more secure anyway. I always pick paypal when its one of the options

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Old 10-03-2011, 03:58 AM

Will there be cake, Lilim? :ninja:

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Old 10-03-2011, 03:58 AM

I miss donating to you Mene ;__;

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Old 10-03-2011, 04:08 AM

I can't transfer money out of my account, because if my social assistance worker asks for my bank records, I'll have to explain why I transferred money out and I'll get in a huge amount of trouble.

What about Sasktel (Saskatchewan Telecommunications)? Do they take huge amounts out for themselves? Could you find out?

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Old 10-03-2011, 04:17 AM

All I can look at is the fees for OneBip, the charges vary from company to company, and they don't show the carrier's details, just what the charge is if you live in a certain place.

The fees for Canada are 41%

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Old 10-03-2011, 04:41 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by jellysundae View Post
All I can look at is the fees for OneBip, the charges vary from company to company, and they don't show the carrier's details, just what the charge is if you live in a certain place.

The fees for Canada are 41%
....wow.... How soon will you guys get another company rather then Kambi?

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Old 10-03-2011, 04:52 AM

I've always used either pay pal or sent the money via snail mail. Those rates are ridiculous. I don't blame you for not liking them.

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Old 10-03-2011, 04:59 AM

Hamsterliciousness: that's the fee for OneBip, which is pretty much the best alternative to Kambi out there. Most providers will have the same kind of fees though, as it's the phone companies setting the fees, not them :(

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Old 10-03-2011, 05:54 AM

One of the first things I'm going to do when I become extraordinarily rich is give Menewsha a large amount of money. :yumeh1:

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Old 10-03-2011, 06:07 AM

Have you guys considered--I mean, obviously you've considered--just taking payments directly? Cutting out the middle man entirely?
edit: I don't know what I was thinking; you meant for phones, hahaha.
Discard this mention.

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Old 10-03-2011, 06:25 AM

Geeze... it's amazing how greedy companies are... I mean seriously... 89%?

I'm glad you were open and told us about this though ^_^

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Old 10-03-2011, 11:11 AM

wow an i find myself complaining that canada's internet charges are too high because they are known for being the highest in the world. but this is ridiculousness. i have never heard of anything so insanely greedy! except maybe politics.

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Old 10-03-2011, 11:33 AM

I need to start donating again. I do not trust paypal because ge money runs it and I've had too mamy problems with them. I rather just send cash.

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#25
Old 10-03-2011, 12:39 PM

I've only used and trusted Paypal anyway... @ . @

 


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