I read about a case where a pregnant person was let out of prison due to being pregnant.
Got me thinking:
- Protection for a new born baby?.
- Prenatal care?.
- Discrimination for asexuals,men and other people who cannot get pregnant?.

I don't really know what to think about this sort of case. The mother is most likely there for a reason and her newborn baby will now have to suffer as well.
Is it fair that a newborn baby has to suffer because hir mother is a criminal?.

What do you think of this?..Do you think a person who becomes pregnant should be let out of prison?. Are there even prison maternity wards or something out there?.
I suppose if a pregnant person has a "get out of jail " free card, some might get pregnant just so they can get out of prison.

Should the prison sentence for the pregnant mother be delayed until the baby is weaned and does not physically need the mother?.
Should the baby be taken away since the mother is a criminal and given to an /adoptive parent(s)?.
Should abortion be encouraged for certain pregnant people in prison who might be unfit parents?.

I actually heard a lot of female prison facilities actually have doctors inside of the prison for incidents like that and the women would have their babies inside of the prisons or they would go to a near by hospital and have their baby and usually the child would stay with the family whiles the mother stayed in jail.

Must be interesting when someone says later, " I was born in that jail".

I don't see why she should be allowed out of jail unless y'know - her sentence was over. She is there for a reason, after all.

The child should be given to the woman's family or if they're quite not fit, foster parents? Unless she's got a life sentence. o___O; Then adoption?

They shouldn't be let out of jail if they're pregnant because they are there for a reason, pregnant or not. Unless their sentence is over, they should stay in jail.

I don't know you, but here in Ecuador they just call a doctor/nurse/whoever is avaible to help the women have the baby in prison, and give them to the family after. They're never let out before finishing their sentence.

I agree with many of the above rules. If the case was for the child's protection, then they should put the mother in a separate place for the time of her pregnancy, afterward, the baby should go in for adoption. The mother going to prison in the first place is a good enough excuse to get the child away from her.

I don't think it's fair at all to be able to use a baby as a literal get out of jail free card. xD

The woman should be provided with adequate medical services, obviously, and she can be temporarily transported to a nearby hospital if need be, but she should stay in jail. The baby can be given to a family member if they're willing to take it until the woman gets out of jail. It can spend a few years in foster care if that's absolutely necessary, even. There are enough ways to take care of the pregnancy and the baby that people do not need to leave jail.

She should not have been let out of jail. I have watched a show awhile ago that had a special jail for ladys who could care for there babys there. Like you stayed there while your were pregnant and intill your child was a few months old. From there I don't know what happened.

You've all brought up a lot of really good arguments, and I've had to rethink a couple things. My opinion is this: A medical exam should be performed immediately on incarceration. If a woman is pregnant when she goes to jail, then arrangements should be immediately made for the placement of the baby immediately after birth, be it relatives, foster care, or adoption. The length of the sentence shouldn't be a factor because errors can be made, sentences overturned, good behavior releases, etc. Birth control while incarcerated should be mandatory to prevent prisoners from getting pregnant. I think if we can take away the right to bear arms and vote, we can also take away the right (if it is a right) to procreate. I think inmates are supported by tax dollars, which is bad enough, and I don't think we should have to care for children as part of the package.

hmmm. They shouldn't be let out of prison, but breastfeeding is an issue. It is healthier than bottle feeding and prevents some childhood diseases. There is also the issue of our tax dollars. I think that they should have to give up being able to breastfeed their baby. If they were pregnant they shouldn't have been doing whatever act to land them in jail. It is unfortunate for the baby, but unfortunate things happen to everyone.

Do you know the full story behind it? How do you know it wasn't just until she gave birth and recovered, that it wasn't just temporary?
And what part of going to prison makes one incapable of parenting?

I suppose it doesn't make you incapable of parenting. It depends on who you are I guess. Although I think it would be a bad idea to let a drug dealer/abuser/etc out and allow them to care for a child. Trust me, I've seen it, it doesn't turn out good.
I would say it depends on what the're in prison for in order to decide whether they are capable of parenting or not.

Originally Posted by slickie

I suppose it doesn't make you incapable of parenting. It depends on who you are I guess. Although I think it would be a bad idea to let a drug dealer/abuser/etc out and allow them to care for a child. Trust me, I've seen it, it doesn't turn out good.
I would say it depends on what the're in prison for in order to decide whether they are capable of parenting or not.

Even then, you have to consider the fact that our justice system is a far cry from infallible.

What do you suggest they do? Take the child away? Force the woman to have an abortion? Why shouldn't recovered drug users and dealers be able to have a child?

Originally Posted by Kris

Even then, you have to consider the fact that our justice system is a far cry from infallible.

What do you suggest they do? Take the child away? Force the woman to have an abortion? Why shouldn't recovered drug users and dealers be able to have a child?

I didn't say anything about Recovered.
a recovered drug dealer/abuser should be able to have a child, but should also have surprise inspections of the living situation.

a NON-recovered drug dealer/abuser should have the child taken away.

Why would a recovered drug dealer be in prison anyway?

Though I have to admit, I can't say much on that because the only person I've known to get to prison went there because of narcotraffic... and hasn't changed that awful persona of hers not even a bit.

I think that 60% of people in jail and prison is in there for very small crimes or no crimes at all. Why should a person with a very small crime or that is innocent stay in prison during a pregnatcy? Being pregnate is very cost expensive, it takes frequent visits to the doctor, and proper care of your body. The food in prisons are not the best for an expecting mother. Im sure that the mother released was not in there for something very serious. Or else they would have tried to keep her in there and then found a home for the child after it was born. That or the mother's time was almost up.

Originally Posted by slickie

I didn't say anything about Recovered.
a recovered drug dealer/abuser should be able to have a child, but should also have surprise inspections of the living situation.

a NON-recovered drug dealer/abuser should have the child taken away.

What do we call a drug abuser?
Alcohol is a drug, a depressant.
Would someone who is found to have a minimum amount of marijuana on their person have their children taken away?

Originally Posted by Kris

What do we call a drug abuser?
Alcohol is a drug, a depressant.
Would someone who is found to have a minimum amount of marijuana on their person have their children taken away?

Dont get me started on pot. I hate any drug and feel that if someone is not responcible to take care of themselves by not doing drugs (of any kind) then they shouldnt have kids. Cause if you cant care for yourself right then who says you can care for kids right?

Originally Posted by Oukan

Dont get me started on pot. I hate any drug and feel that if someone is not responcible to take care of themselves by not doing drugs (of any kind) then they shouldnt have kids. Cause if you cant care for yourself right then who says you can care for kids right?

Darling, I'm not sure if you got the word, but let me fill you in: your word is not final. You thinking something is wrong does not make it so.

Let's say someone is a fabulous parent. In their spare time, away from their children, they enjoy to smoke a little bit of pot. They don't drive afterward, it doesn't harm their kids, it doesn't harm the parent, it harms...no one. They are found to have, like, an ounce on their person one night. Should their children be taken into child custody and never see their parent again, for that ounce of something that harmed no one?

Chewing pot is actually healthier than smoking cigarettes x_x I don't care when people do drugs, I do when they abuse them, and it's abuse when it starts affecting them and the people around them in a negative way.

Originally Posted by Kris

Darling, I'm not sure if you got the word, but let me fill you in: your word is not final. You thinking something is wrong does not make it so.

Let's say someone is a fabulous parent. In their spare time, away from their children, they enjoy to smoke a little bit of pot. They don't drive afterward, it doesn't harm their kids, it doesn't harm the parent, it harms...no one. They are found to have, like, an ounce on their person one night. Should their children be taken into child custody and never see their parent again, for that ounce of something that harmed no one?

In a perfect world where pot was legal maybe your theory would be great. But doing anything illegal weither it hurts someone or not in the process of you doing it - is still wrong. Why risk loosing your kids, your home, your job, your reputation in society? Over some stupid little joint ?

I've lost my good image to the principal for just drawing flowers on my hand. It's also against the rules for me to go to the bathroom in the middle of the class, but I'm not taking the whole class time [plus teachers always repeat classes] and peeing prevents me from getting my pants wet later or getting incontinence when I'm older. And yet, if I run out from the class to do something benefitial, I get sermoned on how it's against the rules.

With that I'm trying to prove that just because it's against the rules doesn't mean it is actually wrong. Maybe a little stupid and/or uncautious, but not really wrong.

Originally Posted by Kah Hilzin-Ec

I've lost my good image to the principal for just drawing flowers on my hand. It's also against the rules for me to go to the bathroom in the middle of the class, but I'm not taking the whole class time [plus teachers always repeat classes] and peeing prevents me from getting my pants wet later or getting incontinence when I'm older. And yet, if I run out from the class to do something benefitial, I get sermoned on how it's against the rules.

With that I'm trying to prove that just because it's against the rules doesn't mean it is actually wrong. Maybe a little stupid and/or uncautious, but not really wrong.

I love it when people try to use harmless examples to try to justify doing something that isn't harmless.

Running around school against the rules is not the same as getting yourself in trouble with the cops. Stop trying to sugar coat things like that, it doesn't help press your point across to anyone when you do.
No matter what way you look at it, drugs are bad. If your a responsible parent then you wont have anything to do with them. Say even if you are a perfect parent all but for when your smoking pot which some how doesn't harm anyone. (haha) Then that means you have to buy them from someone right? Or do you grow your own? Oh well if in the case you grow your own you need seeds from someone first right? Well what if the person that provides you with these drugs isn't as good a person as you are. And you end up getting in the middle of some pretty messy stuff, possibly even killed. Or worse your kids pay for it when someone finds out that their parents are pot heads and then they go to school and get made fun of by other kids and picked on. But thats just the half of it. What if someone thinks that they are carrying drugs too cause the parents has drugs and so they get mugged for the drugs they MAY be carrying, but arnt. And the mugger decides to kill them while they are at it. Guess what you being a good parent just got your kids killed all cause of your selfish desire for a drug that obviously a lot of people don't think is all that bad.

Both breaking school rules and the law equal acting against the authorities, so there is a correlation. There are consequences to me drawing on my hand too, like getting picked on, being repeatidly told to draw on their hands, getting my hand rubbed on with random things, etc. But I still choose to do it and am harming no other one but myself.

What if you have diabetic rethinopathy and can't afford medication? You don't want your children to have a blind parent, so you use marihuana because the cannabidiol helps you from it becoming worse. However, marihuana is illegal in your state/country. Some may resign and go blind, get into unpayable debts to pay their medication, and some other may grow their plant and chew it. You weren't doing wrong. To me, it seems you were thrown into uneccessary hastle just because of some people's beliefs and stereotyped views.

Plus, you can get into any of these scenarios just by having $10.

It's illegal because some people are either too stupid or can't manage with drugs, but hell, a big load can't deal with alcohol, which is a drug too, and it doesn't even bring any benefit like this one, yet it's still acceptable, and because people are taught it's acceptable, they are conditioned into thinking it is in fact acceptable and never question their rules. The same goes with cigarettes, they cover your lungs in tar. They have elements you won't find in plants and damage your body. Why is it normal to have a smoker parent, but awful to have a pot smoker parent? The law can say anything, but that doesn't really make it morally right or wrong.