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#101
Old 03-18-2007, 08:06 AM

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So then it is ok to put down dogs when they're aggressive?

I'm not really fond of it, no. However, dogs also don't understand people, and they do what they need to to survive.

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#102
Old 03-18-2007, 08:21 AM

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While life imprisonment may be effective torture for people who actually have a conscience, there are several who are in prison for such heinous crimes that seriously just don't give a damn.
I already brought up sociopathy. =| They don't give a damn.
It was discussed and people (or perhaps I was the only one?) disagreed with you. That doesn't mean no one "gives a damn" - it just means you were disagreed with.

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we spend lots of money on jails being built and less on colleges/students so if each in-mate is going to cost alot for a crime they've done then just kill them
I don't know. Do you think more would be spent on education if less were spent on prisons? It's not really about taking funding away from one thing and putting it towards another - elected officials generally reduce budgets in the interest of showing that money has been saved, not that it has been redirected elsewhere.

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plus if the raped,kill,or tourture, whats the point of letting them live even if its life in prison doesnt mean you still cant tourture or kill OR rape so kill em' and alot of people on death sentences live for years in jail untill the actually kill em
I'm baffled by by your reaction- I'm baffled by any reaction in support of the death penalty. It's not an infalliable system - people have been incorrectly sentenced to death many times before. Is it worth the death of one innocent party so that everyone can - theoretically - save a few dollars? Murder is wrong - does anyone disagree with that? Can we really punish something we believe to be wrong with the exact same thing and not by hypocrites? It doesn't make sense.

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#103
Old 03-18-2007, 11:56 AM

I think they should have to spend their life in prison.
A death penalty is basically letting them go free, and in prison they will most likely feel lonely and sad.

Just my two cents. 8D

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#104
Old 03-18-2007, 01:38 PM

I'm definitely for life in prison.

1) It costs more to kill them than to keep them alive in the prison.
2) It gives them forever to think about what they did.
3) If they did eventually figure out that an in-mate wasnt guilty of the crime because of a mistake or something, then he would be free to go. The Death Penalty wouldn't give him that. They'd figure out their mistake and the person would be dead.

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#105
Old 03-18-2007, 04:24 PM

Life in jail is much more of a punishment than death. I know that if I where to have a choice between death and life in jail- I'd choose death because in jail, you could get into a fight and get killed or you could face depression, or several other things.

In Jail, you're bored, you're faced with the same routine every day of your life, but with the death penalty- you get off easily with ending your life..

See what I'm saying?
Maybe? Just a little?

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#106
Old 03-19-2007, 12:48 AM

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I think they should have to spend their life in prison.
A death penalty is basically letting them go free, and in prison they will most likely feel lonely and sad.

Just my two cents. 8D
But they will still be able to get visis from their family members.

I'd think the mother of whoever the murder killed would probably be more lonely, their child will never get to see them again.

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#107
Old 03-19-2007, 11:39 PM

The death penalty is, in my opinion, just stooping to the level of the criminal. Put them in jail. Give them food & water occasionally but otherwise just leave them to rot. I just can't see how you can justify killing someone for commiting murder - it strikes me as remarkably hypocritical. We will murder you if you murder people, kind of thing.

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#108
Old 03-20-2007, 12:07 AM

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The death penalty is, in my opinion, just stooping to the level of the criminal. Put them in jail. Give them food & water occasionally but otherwise just leave them to rot. I just can't see how you can justify killing someone for commiting murder - it strikes me as remarkably hypocritical. We will murder you if you murder people, kind of thing.
although i am against the death penalty, i do believe that knowing a certain crime is punishable by death does have a sort of restraining force. makes people less likely to do evil in other words.

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#109
Old 03-26-2007, 02:30 AM

I think criminals should not be killed nor spend their lives entirely in jail lazily consuming taxpayer money.

They should be put to work doing the dirtiest jobs that nobody else wants to do. XD Cleaning the sewers while searching for ninja turtles being one of em.

I don't think they should be killed...because there is always the slim chance they are innocent, and technology will bring about evidence that could result in their release and reunion with family. So for that single reason alone...that there might be innocent people, is why it should not be a death penalty.


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#110
Old 03-26-2007, 03:32 PM

Hmm, I do rather like that idea of having them do the jobs that nobody wants to do, like sewer cleaning, farm cleaning, roadside cleaning, but being supervised. xD

Hmm, I don't think they should be killed, but they should live for the rest of their lives learning from their past mistakes in Jail, because they lost their right to be free. :? Well, if they do have the life sentence, then they should also do certain kinds of testing too on inmates(not ones that are potentially deadly, but have been throughly tested on other subjects), because they don't have much to live for, but they are alive and can be a valid test subject. 8) :o Sometimes, people do change in Jail, and they fix themselves, but they aren't getting out. It's wrong to not let that person be able to find peace within themselves and whatnot. :?

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#111
Old 03-26-2007, 03:53 PM

I don't know how deep I'll go into this debate, but this is how I feel.

I feel that people can be reprogrammed to be productive members of society. NOT ALL OF THEM. Yes, there are people out there that just should never be around other human beings for the harm they will cause.

But, the death penalty scares me in the fact that I'm not sure how 100% you can be that this person killed another unless they admit it, and accept their punishment.

And only use it if you know they will reoffend and it's just plain unsafe. It's unfair to kill people because they killed another.

"And eye for an eye makes the whole world blind"
or if Ghandi doesn't do it for you, let's envoke some anime lessons:


I'm sure there are a lot worse things our taxes are going towards. How about a war we don't believe in where our friends are coming home dead?

So, I feel the death penalty is good in certain situations, but shouldn't be the main way to deal with people who commit certain crimes.

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#112
Old 03-27-2007, 08:20 PM

For some reason, this topic reminded me of Romeo and Juliet, mainly because I'm reading it right now for school.

But, it's when the Prince banished Romeo from Verona after he killed Tybalt, but then both Romeo and Juliet started to say how death would be much better punishment.

In this sense, a lifetime in jail would be much worse than death, especially if you have something to live for. If you die, you escape all your worries. However, if you're alive without freedom, you will see your life pass away without the power to do anything about it.

I think, that cowards would prefer to stay in jail for the rest of their lives, but then after a few years prefer death.

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#113
Old 03-28-2007, 01:11 AM

I think that the death penalty was originally a good idea, but the idea became such a farce, that it is no longer a good option. Right now, it costs more to put someone on death row and then execute a prisoner, than it does to put someone in prison for life. All the legal issues that stem from it, and then of course the fact that te American judical system is rather f*cked up in the first place. *rolls eyes* it becomes a holy mess that makes the whole idea of punishing a man for his crimes a joke.

Since there is no way to totally be sure if someone is guilty unless the evidence is so conclusive, it defeats the purpose. Punishing another man for one man's murder? *sigh*

I am sorry if I am not quite making sense....

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#114
Old 03-28-2007, 04:56 PM

I agree with the death penlty. Yes, it is true that people who have to spend their lives in jail have to think about what they've done for another 40 years or what not, but the way jails are nowadays, it's not even a punishment. Getting things for good behaviour, the nice treatment they have to have, the nutricious food, not wonder people want to be put in jail. They are a strain on tax payer's dollars. Also, all of these crazy million dollar ways to kill people are pointless. A few guns, a couple of bullets, shot by people in the army. I'm sure if you put up signs saying, "This man raped his own daughter and three other women and then killed them, we need volenteers to be a part of the firing squad" the list would be filled immediately. It's cheap, quick, less painful, and gets the job done.
Now I'm not crazy and I don't think that people should always be killed for any crime or anything crazy like that, I just believe that if they are getting life in jail then they might as well be given the death penlty. Not to mention that these people are so cold, I'm not sure if you could count on them feeling bad for what they had done eventually.

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#115
Old 03-28-2007, 05:45 PM

I don't think any human has the right to take anothers life.
The death penalty is pretty much saying "That person deserves to die". What gives any human being the right to decide that fate for another person?
I can not support the death penalty, as to me that's playing god.

I think life in jail is a bad enough fate for anyone and that should be enough. Yes jails are overcrowded and it costs a lot to keep someone in jail for the whole of their life, but it's important to remember that regardless of the expenses, that person being condemned is a human being. Regardless of their crime, they are a person, and they have some worth (as I believe all people do).

Giving someone the death penalty is murdering them in my books, and the only reason I can think of to condone murder is if it was in self defence. So to my way of thinking, the people that put another human being to death are criminals themselves.

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#116
Old 04-02-2007, 09:03 AM

I think rather than killing them, which would STILL cost you in electricity or whatever the hell drugs you use to kill em...

We should put them to work so they actually HELP the society they managed to damage.

In addition I feel killing is wrong if you do not know 100% that they were guilty. It could just be they were ass broke and had a bad lawyer and the other side was very wealthy. You never know. They could've been framed.

It hink if there was a way to know 100% if they were guilty or not, like if you were God, then maybe...but even then I don't know that I would be that extreme, or that I wouldn't believe in repentance. You know? Someone COULD be really sorry for what they did, and although that doesn't make up for it entirely, not by a long shot, it is still something. We are all human, and we are all fallable, and environment and genetics have a lot to do with how we turn out.

Even if you believe it is all in genetics and environment had no part, can you blame someone for their genes? And if you don't think it's genes, if you believe we're truly all born equal then what wrote on that beautiful blank slate? The environment. Can you blame an individual for its environment?

I don't know. It's hard to say someone deserves death. For me, saying someone deserves punishment is already difficult if we are not 100% certain they were guilty.

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#117
Old 04-02-2007, 01:35 PM

My opinion is that the premise of an eye for an eye etc is correct. Karma apparently protects the scum of the earth.. So why not bend the karma wheel back into shape and give the punk what he deserves. I am not saying cut off arms for theft... but charging them and making them work their butts off to pay for the items would be amusing none the less. Killing a murderer is no different. For everything someone has to pay the price. It is a never ending circle of payment. To break the cycle is foolish. Let one who kills live.. great idea. -_- not really...

I think sending them to their death lets them realize that they are mortal and that by taking life one shall lose life. Shooting someone equals getting shot. (Oh if only it worked that way.) What annoys me lately is everyone is becoming a hippie and a protestor to protest something somewhere and claiming it betters mankind. Does putting a man in prison and having society pay for his room and board and tv time really fair? No.

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#118
Old 04-03-2007, 03:02 AM

No, no TV. Wake them up at the asscrack of dawn, and have them work till there's no daylight, rinse and repeat..

An eye for an eye may be fine if you really KNEW who was guilty who wasn't..but the truth is, our legal system fails us on many occassions, there are tons of innocent people in jail.

I'd much rather have them working well over their room and board than to kill an innocent man.

I believe if you must err, err on the side of life, not death.

Just as I think it's tragic for there to be murders, because it IS the taking of a life of people sometimes not guilty of anything at all...I think it only compounds the problems when you kill someone else for a death,...what if that person was innocent? Well then now one person has caused the death of not ONE innocent, but two.

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#119
Old 04-06-2007, 02:40 PM

Death penalty is an easy way out. It's a ridicolous punishment, as its hardly a punishment at all; you won't have to suffer and survive the punishment, or have the time to reflect on what you've done.

I'm all for life in jail as a punishment; rotting your life away in a cell with nothing to do but remember the crimes you've committed, is perfect as hopefully with the time to reflect, the person will understand the suffering
they put the victim through and maybe their personality will change.

Theres no worse punishment then guilt in my opinion. :/

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#120
Old 04-06-2007, 02:54 PM

I personally think that life in jail is more of a punishment than the death sentence. Once you're dead, you don't have to suffer anymore. The method they use to kill people doesn't even hurt. I'd much rather see people jailed for life. That way, they'll have years to reflect on what they did.

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#121
Old 04-06-2007, 03:25 PM

I'm not someone who supports the death penalty. For one thing, I don't think it's up to us to decide who lives and who dies - that's what the person we're convicting did and that's why he's in trouble. Also, life in prison is a worse punishment than giving them a peaceful death.

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#122
Old 04-06-2007, 05:59 PM

I firmly believe that criminals, even the worst offenders, should get life in jail. I'm not a humanitarian, so even though I do believe all life is sacred and precious I don't go out of my way to make sure it is all preserved. The reason I choose to rally against the death penalty is as follows:

1. Long Incarceration - The Death penalty, in the states that allow it, has been updated to make sure it is not 'cruel or unusual' punishment. That means that most people get lethal injections these days which, if I'm not mistaken, basically just puts you to sleep. The most humane way to die for ANY human, not just criminals. A nice death...what kind of punishment is that? I say that criminals should be forced to live out the remainder of their life either in prison or doing some good for the whole of humanity, like community service (although understandably the worst offenders we couldn't take the risk of them escaping). This would not only take away their freedom in life it would force them to think about what their life could have been like, etc.

2. Wrong Convictions - More and more you hear about people being released from prison 20 years after their conviction date because new technology allows us to reanalyze evidence involved in their trials. John Doe could be released because technology of today can prove that the DNA samples taken did not belong to John Doe and instead belong to John Doe 2. There are a LOT of people being released from prison because of a wrong conviction. How would you feel if you gave someone the death penalty and then later realized you just killed an upstanding citizen that might have been at the wrong place at the wrong time?
Technology today allows us for less errors in judgement, but since criminals are tried by a jury of their peers, there is still room for human error in judgement. It is frightening to think of all the people in jail that may truly be innocent if they had a bit more evidence leading their way.

Now I know that it costs the government money to house all these criminals. Some people might also argue that the Death Penalty is enough of a deterant to keep some people in check of their urges. That may be the case, but I stick with what I say above.

I believe the Death Penalty should be illegal.

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#123
Old 04-07-2007, 12:52 AM

I'm against the Death Penalty. There really isn't much point in it. If a person did something bad enough to deserve death over it, they should be forced to suffer in prison for the rest of their lives. Plus, as other people said, the death penalty is like the easy way out. Seriously. They don't put you in the electric chair anymore or hang you or put you to the guillotine, all they do is inject you with lethal injection, which is basically like falling asleep and never waking up. What kind of death is that, for a serial killer? They should be punished for their wrongdoings.

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#124
Old 04-07-2007, 06:35 PM

*cheer Lauryn de Vampyre*

Thank goodness for DNA sequencing. A lot of rape&murder victims being re-analyzed and labs finding that stuff doesn't match up set a lot of innocent people free. :)

But if we'd killed em to save jailspace...that'd have sucked. =/

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#125
Old 04-08-2007, 08:09 PM

:shock: omg this was my irl debate topic :lol:

i think it should be legalized if they have the right proof and the proof is proven to be true

example: rape+murder

if a 40 year old raped and killed a 14 year old and there is enough proof i think death penalty should be used

death penalty from my knowledge is used as eye for an eye a tooth for a tooh in death

is someone kills another it be used if the judge finds the proof good and enough

as for jail time

theres to many people in jail to even put in murderers and rapist in there :/ and it be unwise to let them leave after a 20 year sentence.

because i doubt that it will change who they are

i know there is a good chance the might but i highly doubt it much i think they will continue their same routine and rape more people or murder them :/

 


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