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Old 08-17-2009, 02:55 PM

Yes, ladies and gentlemen. I hate art students, having been studying college-level art classes for four years. I do, indeed, hate myself.

Warning: this is a rant, for the most part.

In my four years of art school, I have learned a lot. Not just how to paint, how to draw, how to work with Maya 2009. I have learned to take constructive criticism with grace. I have learned that I can't always get what I want. I have learned that while a concept, while it looks amazing in my mind, can look horrible on paper. I have learned that natural talent can only get you so far, and the rest of it is up to effort and practice. That thinking "outside the box" implies that you were in the box to begin with.

That said, here are a few things that have gained my attention in the past few years, that were said by people who should know better, and only exasperated by like-minded people who felt that they were wronged.

"I didn't get the class I wanted because some stupid bitch stole my spot and she's not even a part of this department!" She didn't "steal" your seat. She got it fair and square because you took too long to request the course. She's allowed to have an interest in a class outside her department, and if you had an interest in another class I'm sure you would try your hardest to get into it as well.

"Prof. Gee failed me because he hates me!" Prof. Gee is hard on everyone because he wants to see you succeed. If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.

"They won't let me draw what I want to draw!" Because if we let you draw the same anime character five-million times, you would never grow as an artist.

"Why are they making me take this stupid pre-requisite? I'm a 3D modeling major, not a sculptor!" Because you need to know how to work with your hands. If you did it all on the computer, you wouldn't have a full understanding of 3D space. Sculpture majors have to take the 3D modeling class as well.

"I shouldn't have to take Art History." Yes, you should. Because when someone in the future at your gallery opening asks you if you were inspired by Caravaggio or Reubens, you want to be able to answer them with "no, actually! I drew my inspiration from the early work of Rembrandt: see the emphasis on line instead of form? I was imitating the linear quality of early Aquatint techniques in intaglio printwork."

"Someone stole my idea!" No. No he didn't. You all live in the same town, you all eat the same food, and you all spend all your time in the same building. He didn't steal your idea: you were all inspired by THE SAME THING.

"I thought art was going to be an easy major!" Pah! And Pah again! Art is a competitive curriculum. If it was easy, everyone would do it.

An actual conversation between Metals prof, a Viz Com major, and an Animation major: "You can use this material with any inkjet printer or photocopy machine. Does everyone know where they can find one?"
Viz Com: "There's a photocopy machine in the Viz Com hall."
Anim: "That's for use by the Viz Com students only."
Viz Com: "Well, they let in about a hundred more students than they should have this year, taking money away from MY program and filling up seats in MY classes. I feel no shame in letting MY resources get wasted if that's the way they're going to treat MY program."
First off, its not your program. Its the school's program. Its their decision to let more students in if they want to. The reason they did was because more students actually means more funding.

And here's the BIG MYTH: The Art School Hierarchy:

Drawing, Painting, Sculpture=top of the food chain because they're the purest of art forms, all the way back to the great masters.

Printmaking, Metalwork, Furniture-sculpture, Photography = second-down because while they do imitate the same principles of higher fine arts, their purpose is to make money, work on a smaller scale, or create reproducible works.

Graphic Design (Vis Com) = third-down because it has the same basic fundamentals as Drawing and Painting, but requires work on commission or employment and is therefore selling-out.

Animation/Video= because it requires participation of more than one person, is a commercial art, and is fairly new to the department, it is bottom rung. Sorry, Andy. We still love you.


All of the above is entirely false. Aside from a few personal grudges, all the professors have good standing with each other. There is no hierarchy. It is entirely a fabrication of the students so they can either feel superior or justify their whining with an inferiority complex.

I have more, which is sad.

And that's my art rant.

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Old 08-17-2009, 05:46 PM

I thought print-making ranked the lowest, since they make no money :D lol

A lot of the things you mentioned applies to non-art students as well as art students, in my opinion. Even in highschool or even elementary school there were the kids who hated their teachers because they didn't get the marks they wanted. Well...you don't get the marks you wanted because you weren't trying, and what you came up with is obviously not up to the standards of an A+ assignment.

And even though I'm going to major in visual arts I'm took 4 academic math courses and 6 academic science courses during highschool because I wanted to broaden my knowledge and develop as an intellectual. Art students limit their own artistic abilities if they focus only in drawing or painting, because art is a form of expression and not the essence of the emotion or thought that wants/needs to be expressed. The thought/emotion/idea that is expressed through arts, in my opinion, comes from studying everything that can be studied in the world, including art history.

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Old 08-21-2009, 02:47 AM

I'm glad I'm not an art major. O.o
I'd love to be, but I couldn't deal with a lot of it.

@az_stars: But no English or Philosphy courses? :S

I know how it feels to be ranked.
At my university, the studies are ranked on popularity and difficulty.

Law and Medical Sciences come first. They're the most popularity, although not the most difficult. Some people think they are, but they're not.

Then comes Philosophy, History, Classical Languages (Greek & Latin) Theology, Foreign Languages, Dutch, English. Everyone thinks English is easy. However, they're quite mistaken. Have you ever tried translating a piece of text from 1200 years ago into modern English after only following a 14 week lecture?

Or tried reading Beowulf in it's original form, or Exodus?

Or how about writing a 2000 word essay on the narrative perspective of Hythloday in Utopia?

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Old 08-22-2009, 02:49 AM

Oh God. I've heard horror stories about Beowulf. My mother was an English major.

I'm taking a Creative Writing course... because I need to fill in some hours, and because I want to. There are a lot of people in Creative Writing who hate their major because of the same stuff I mentioned about Art Students.

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Old 08-26-2009, 04:55 PM

O_O Scary...lol. Art history kinda bores me so I see why they might get irritated with it but I see it's uses. I've just been dragged through so many dang art museums and had to stop myself from beating up people who immediatly turn to me and say "Oh! We're going on a feild trip to that ART MUSEUM! I bet you're so excited!" -_-

Anyone who is looking for easy classes in COLLEGE is a friggen idiot. There is no easy classes, especially when it's your major. It's like saying you want a crap job with crap pay and a crap life.

It sounds like a lot of those art students are still in middle school...

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Old 08-29-2009, 04:01 AM

"Why are they making me take this stupid pre-requisite? I'm a 3D modeling major, not a sculptor!"
Thats the only one I am guilty of. I had to take drawing 1 and complained but in the end I realized it made me learn something new and I have gotten a lot better at drawing. I am a photography major btw. & I worked with pros in high school so I already knew what I was getting into. I suggest everyone do this asap so you get familiar with the business end of it.

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Old 08-29-2009, 06:28 PM

I'm guilty of complaining about having to draw things that I don't want to draw. (I don't draw anime/manga) My biggest issue is my perception. I had an assignment to draw a vase once. I looked at it and started drawing it, but by the end it had turned into a bird. That's just how I saw it. Needless to say, I got a bad grade on that one. The art teacher said that I was being too creative...I really can't help it though. I try to draw things I see, but I don't see them the same way most people do. That's why I stopped going to school for art. You can't have a career in art if you can't draw what people ask you to draw.

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Old 09-02-2009, 10:41 AM

Heh I've never been to an art school (I want to ho wever but parental obligations meh) and can only t ake art as a special elective in my school, so you r rant was particularly interesting. It seems like  some art students can really be possessive! I wou ldn't mind taking art history actually, we do stud y of visual arts in my school too where we have to  write long essays analysing art pieces and relati ng it to the art movement it came from..

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Old 09-02-2009, 12:55 PM

If you are creative and not allowed to get into art school, there are compromises.
I managed to study some art without ever going to art school. Sure it's limited, however sometimes you gotta take what you can get and it's better then nothing.

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Old 09-06-2009, 01:28 AM

I don't go to an art school and I'm an art major with a creative writting minor. so um....this rant kinda scares me. But I like my proffesor and I think that me being forced to take clay, drawing, painting, and design before I take any advanced classes is a good thing. I need a chance to do those other things. Anyways, people often try something slightly outside their field and learn they love it!

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Old 09-07-2009, 03:23 PM

This rant has a lot of truth in it.
I've also tried to study arts, but I was one of those, that wanted to draw the same anima character ;D Only for me it was dragons and mythical beasts :> But I didn't complain, just saw the fact that a reall artist must cover a lot of styles, techniques etc before settling somewere.

Now I study medicine XD :> I think that I am ten times better on science that on arts, but am very happy that I'll be always able to take art as a hobby and draw whatever I want, not paying attention to critisim and things like that at all :D yay ^o^

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Old 09-20-2009, 01:34 AM

I need to find a school where I can major Anthropology, minor Creative Writing, and take classes on Printmaking and Bookbinding. That way I can write books from a perspective of Anthropology (like Kurt Vonnegut) and then make the prints for both the text and covers and posters for my book and then bind all the books myself. hmm, maybe I should take Papermaking classes as well. And Lumberjacking and Leatherworking as well.

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Old 09-20-2009, 04:06 AM

imho I see that alot of ppl improve from their own initiative to practice and learn from out of class. Art school didn't teach me much except for introducing more openings in the field that otherwise i wouldn't have known of. However i did learn most of my skills in practice during internship or work. I kinda wished i worked harder in school though =(

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Old 09-20-2009, 11:48 PM

i hate art students too!

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Old 09-25-2009, 12:41 PM

how old are you and the other students and where are you from?
because I'm also in arts major and i Do know what are you talking about .... back in high school more 50% of my classmates were really into art
now at collage ... it's less than 5%
:(
take my advise
ignore them
in a few years they will drop out ; finish with a degree and start working on something completely different or finish with a self-opinion that they are the best artists and start doing "art" for the masses

i know it's frustrating but jugging them you automatically consider your self better
and modesty is a way of improving in art

i know how it feels , it's happening to me to

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Old 09-28-2009, 01:45 AM

Ahaha. I'm on my fourth year of art school, as well, and I really haven't experienced those things very much. In community college, we had whiny graphics students who would fuss that they hated their art courses. I'm not saying graphics students are bad. In fact, since I moved on to a university, most graphics students I meet are amazing and really care about what they're doing. It's just that about 95% of the ones at the community college I went to were absolute morons. The only irritating art students I've met at the university I'm at, however, were just too cocky and couldn't handle a critique/bragged constantly about how amazing their not-so-amazing work was. Humhum. The pompous ones are always at the bottom of the class. Well... oftentimes, they are. It seems the more humble students progress much farther. I've only seen one person whine about their grade, though, and claim they didn't deserve a B (oh gosh, no! a B!!) and she's very... uhh... well let's just say she's got one of those higher-than-thou personalities and she reeeaaaaallllly shouldn't. But yeah. I think you've just been exposed to some really obnoxious people. Or maybe I've just been lucky and go to a school with a lot of amazing students who really want and try to become better artists. I'm sorry you've had to deal with those sorts! :[

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Old 09-28-2009, 01:50 AM

This sounds like middle/high school drama. I went to art college and got my degree and it was never like that. Then again I went strictly to an art school. It was hard and people did fail (we called our school an art boot camp), but that's like in any good school. And really, in any major, no matter what you study, you have stuck up bratty kids. People who think art is easy don't know what they're getting into and often flunk right out of school in their first year of college.

Same goes for all the other stuff you mentioned. People who think art is easy think they only have to draw what they want when they want and they think they're stuff is amazing even when it's not. It just means they won't make it as an art student unless they completely change their views

So don't be so hateful to us art majors/people with art degree's, we're not all brainless pratty nitwits D:

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Old 09-28-2009, 03:43 PM

I'm in Art Fundamentals right now, working my way up (hopefully) to Illustration next year. I see a lot of this from the people in my courses, mostly because there was no portfolio evaluation for AF; since it was easier to get in to, they expect the courses to be easier to pass, and they are 100% NOT EASIER.

I complain about my course load (I'm not used to it yet, but it's getting easier as the weeks go by), but I have heard people complaining that they have to take work home to finish it. Because homework is a crime against humanity, and a teacher asking you to work on something on your own is obviously a sadistic crazed lunatic with unrealistic expectations.

I have also heard people complain about how expensive supplies are, and while I can sympathize to a certain degree, they had every opportunity to go to an art supply store and figure out what they were getting themselves in to financially. Some of the more serious people in my courses live on instant noodles and multivitamins, because that's all they have money for after they buy supplies for the month. I have paid $30 for a single pencil, $20 for a package of 12 pencil lead refills, and I can easily drop hundreds and hundreds of dollars on a set of nice paint brushes, and double or more on the paints themselves. Say bye-bye to your tempra paints and your crayons, sweet cheeks, we don't use that crap here.

Anyone who wants an easy ride through college needs a big fat reality check. I don't care how much money daddy has to throw at people, I don't care if you have an IQ of fifty thousand, and I really don't care if mommy said she liked the finger painting you did in kindergarten. When it comes right down to it, no matter what you're doing in college, it is going to be hard, and you are actually going to have to work at it if you expect to pass.

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Old 09-29-2009, 06:13 AM

Humph...I'm disappointed now, lol. I was fully prepared to hate you for saying that you hated art students but I find myself agreeing with everything you say. I'm in an advanced placement art class right now and I have never had so much work in my entire life. I guess that I've gotten a taste of college (though I'm not going to be an Art Major).

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Old 10-06-2009, 07:44 AM

AH, i know your pain to some degree. Hahaha! I am an art student too. I actually had a teacher who hated me though, I would ask him how to make my work better and he would say it was too horrible to fix. Its funny too because I'm not a bad artist, I always want to improve and welcome harsh critiques but not telling me what is wrong with the piece itself or what to work on is frustrating (I got a C in the class though so I was happy). Funny enough, I got an A in my life drawing class. XP

I think of my school as a High School 2.0. No one really has grown up and a lot of the people who go to my school are super shy!

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Old 10-10-2009, 05:18 PM

i go to an art college too and this is all so true. you just have to ignore the stupid ones and focus on your art.

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Old 10-20-2009, 07:27 PM

I'm taking art at GCSE level, and seriously i hear all of those, you'd expect people to grow up a little right?
(i'm not poking offence at anyone here btw)

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Old 10-21-2009, 10:25 PM

I am Majoring in art- but for what??? I have no idea.
I am currently taking art history and Advanced charcoal and graphite drawing. Im taking painting next semester in flrodia.


Art is life for sure.

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Old 10-22-2009, 03:07 AM

Wow that just reminded me of a few people from school.

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Old 10-23-2009, 11:11 AM

Taking art classes wrecked me for drawing. It's just not the same anymore... *sighs*
I don't know if I hate art students (is also an art student) I do hate myself though, but that's because I'm not as good as I should be...
Art classes are time fekking consuming, not to mention expensive. I got lucky. My school went easy on us. The professor I had got our supplies for us and we only had to pay a course fee. As for homework. :sarcasm: Please. We got used to spending twenty plus hours on a piece. No one I knew ever complained though, except to say that Prof. C. was too tough, or that his critiques were too tough. *Eyeroll* His critiques were easy compared to my old Photography prof.
I can't imagine an art major complaining about having to take Art history though. That's retarded. Art history is something any art major needs to know.
I could never really get used to my course load. I'm technically an art education major, which I'm told, is like a double major. So....:|

 


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