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Old 09-26-2010, 02:35 AM

You should towns like gaiaonline has.The towns are a grate way to meet new people,and its alot of fun

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Old 09-26-2010, 03:46 AM

This has been discussed in several other topics, and the majority of users are completely against this idea. We'd like to keep as many things different between us and Gaia as possible.

Also something like Towns would be incredibly difficult to moderate, thus inviting trolls to our lovely community.

So no. I vote no Towns, now and always!

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Old 09-26-2010, 03:56 AM

Aside from that, the sheer amount of bandwith and coding and all sorts of technical shit make it impossible if Inso is already paying out of his pocket to run the site

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Old 09-26-2010, 04:08 AM

Personally, I would prefer to keep this place a community. Having something like Towns would make this site more of a game. Not to mention there'd be very little the mods/admins could do about keeping things appropriate.

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Old 09-26-2010, 11:04 PM

I agree with the others. It's not something that Mene can do right now. It's also something that members in general do not want to see here.

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Old 09-26-2010, 11:21 PM

Well i get your guys points of view of this but with towns you get to show of your avatar,and i also get the interuptions and stuff you would get during a conversation,but its a funnier way to make friends and stuff.And adding towns is cool because this website is already a game , imean you have avatars you dress them up,see its already a game......i just hope you guys see my point of view

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Old 09-26-2010, 11:56 PM

You're totally entitled to your point of view, but the issue here is that we just cannot afford something like towns. Something like that would cost hundreds of thousands of dollars to create because not only would the area itself need to be coded and all the artwork produced, but 360 degree views of every item on the site (that's over 8000) and all the bases and hair would need to be produced, and we don't make any money...

So while I can see why you'd want something like that because it's what you're used to elsewhere, you need to bear in mind that Gaia has a $20,000,000 venture capital fund, and we have doodly-squat, we don't even make enough to cover our monthly costs, so something like this is an absolute impossibility I'm afraid.

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Old 09-27-2010, 11:49 PM

im confused how do websites even make money anyway?

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Old 09-28-2010, 05:50 AM

Donations from users, advertisements on site the site is paid for.

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Old 09-28-2010, 07:35 AM

also gaia tends to sell out to sponsors quite frequently and make items for them. They don't do that out of the goodness of their hearts.

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Old 09-28-2010, 09:01 AM

True, but doesn't that fall under advertisement too?

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Old 09-28-2010, 02:11 PM

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im confused how do websites even make money anyway?
So I'm interested, how did you think these sites run themselves? Websites are businesses, just the same as any other. We're no different to the store that your parents buy food from. We have monthly overheads (server fees, wages etc) to pay in just the same way, and we need to make money to be able to run.
Just like it will cost a store a lot of money to have a refit or build an extention, it would cost us a lot of money to build a new part of the site.

But here's the BIG difference. Everyone who uses that store pays it money, even if all they're buying is a candy bar, whereas the vast majority of the people who use websites don't buy anything, they use the site for free.

To continue the store analogy it would be like if 75% of the people who shopped at a store never paid for anything, the store would soon go bankrupt and be forced to close.

Gaia does indeed do what it has to to get money coming in. It amuses me that people call them sell-outs and say they don't need to be as money-hungry as they are because they've apparently made a profit recently. They laid off a huge amount of staff over a year ago because they couldn't afford to pay them, they need that profit to be able to build their staff back up again if they are to have any hope of surviving.

Gaia's soul belongs to the big corperations now. Once you get beyond a certain size that's inevitable unless your owner's surname is Rockefeller or Trump maybe...look at Neopets, that's now owned by Nickelodean. Once a website becomes a behemoth the only way it can sustain itself is by "selling out". Unless it's been massively vigorous during its growth to make sure it's not gaining a load of non-supporting users, and if it succeeds in that then it's never going to get huge, is it?

The really big sites that rely on user money to run HAVE to become grasping because they've grown so big from having possibly millions of accounts that take up database space but have never donated a cent towards the running of the site. So the only way they have any hope of staying afloat is to be partly owned/bought out by a big corperation who has the funds to keep them going, but who will change the site into a pure money-making machine because all they are interested in is the bottom line.

There's my lecture for today, anyway ;)

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Old 09-28-2010, 04:39 PM

*clap**clap**clap* very nice Jelly. Love how you laid that out so neatly ^.^

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Old 10-04-2010, 04:59 AM

@Jelly- Gaia sold its heart and soul in others ways long before they sold out to larger corporations. My problem has always been with the staff......not the money situation...though that was a little aggravating at the time I'll admit I didn't know much about avatar funding when I thought so. I learned tons more from listening to you guys. I still will not back down in my views of gaian staff.

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Old 10-04-2010, 07:53 PM

My views on their staff is that they've never had enough, and a lot of the time a percentage of the ones they did/do have are inactive or absolutely got the position just so they could have that green name and be "in charge".
That in itself is why we never take on people who make it clear that they want to be a mod, and even moreso why we'd be idiots to take on those who publicly bitch about the people we choose for mods and say they should have been chosen instead for whatever reason, because that shows the kind of entitlement, immaturity and wrong mental attitude that we wish to avoid at all costs.

But how can a site as large as Gaia choose properly? We'll watch someone for months sometimes before making a decision, and the slightest "off" comment about anything will make us change our minds. A very large site just doesn't have the ability to do that. Especially one that allows bumping and doesn't control spam, so if they do sit down to post stalk a person they have to wade through possibly 100s of garbage posts before they can gain any kind of real idea of what a person's like.

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Old 10-05-2010, 06:00 AM

I see the valid point in that. They do not by any means have enough staff. It takes months and months and months to get a report looked at and if you have something that needs imediate attention and dare to PM a mod or staff member they bitch at you for not using the report system.

I also think another problem is that they where not strict about the rules even when they had much fewer numbers. If they had been choosing reliable mods back then then they may have been able to steadily keep up but now they are so in over their heads that it would take a lot to actually get there customer service in order.......not to mention the gaian mods are mean and you almost never see them actually posting around the site or maybe its just that there are so few of them that you just dont find them.....*shrugs*

Lol, sorry about the rantiness.....its no secret really that I hold no love for gaia.

On a side note, I love the mods here....and its nice to know they where chosen with such loving care.

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Old 10-05-2010, 10:48 PM

I understand the rantiness because it's how I feel myself. It's why we always made a point of having enough staff because we didn't want to end up in the same mess as Gaia.

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Old 10-06-2010, 03:38 AM

Its good to know, a comfort really. I don't see this place EVER becoming another gaia, and that is a good thing!

 


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