I'm sitting here halfheartedly listening to the news when a story comes up.

A Spanish man changed his last name and moved to my state in the U.S.
He managed not only to purchase a home and become a conductive member of society, but a police officer.
Oh yeah, no joke. This guy was a police officer.

And the fucktards of my state are now deporting him after he tried to apply for a passport.



So what do you think?
Honestly, as far as I figure, he was already here, had a steady job, a home, paid taxes, etc., etc., etc., and now he's being deported. He's doing more than some of those rich hillside fuckers who don't pay their share of taxes or vote for school bonds.

I think it's ludicrous for them to deport him, when he has clearly proven to be a productive member of society. (though you kinda start wondering how the hell he could become a policeman, without them doing some sort of background check... does this mean just anyone who changes their name can become part of the police? >_> scary)

Anyways, I'm seeing the same thing happen here in Denmark all the time. Yeah, we have ALOT of immigrants who come in and just get money from the government without paying or giving anything back to society, but now the government are making it hard for everyone to immigrate here. In a recent case, an afghani man came to denmark, got recidency permit, and then joined the danish military working as a translator for them in the war in afghanistan (working against his own homecountry, and being branded a traitor pretty much). Then the freaking danish government deported him back to his own country (that he had worked against), their resoning being that he hadn't been a productive member of society! If he had worked in some 7eleven, instead of helping our troops, he would have no problem, but apparently helping our troops isn't good enough. WTF! Pisses me off that our government can be THIS hypocritical.

I agree that it's kind of scary that they did not do a background check on him before hiring him as a police officer. No offense, but I've seen some pretty bad cops that steal or worse so the label "officer" doesn't really mean they're a "good" person. That aside though, I do agree that it's stupid to deport someone if they're not causing a problem and actually paying taxes and what not. As mentioned, some legal citizens don't even do that. It's especially dumb if he was applying for citizenship papers. I mean, really? He's already got a job and a home so why not just leave him alone if he is not causing a problem or sucking up government aide? I don't know the whole story aside from what's been posted but my opinion is that if someone is not being a burden on society leave them be.

I've known many innocent people that have been deported.
But I'm not saying this man was innocent or anything I haven't read about him other that what you've posted.
I think it's fucking stupid when police/customs deport somebody who's trying to better their lives.
The right way, not by trafficking drugs, girls or guns. It makes me so frustrated, instead of
going after all the cartel or gang related immigrants, they go after the guys that cut the grass or
anything else they're doing to support their families. I'm mexican myself, and I live about 5 minutes
from Mexico. That bloody wall tears my heart up sometimes, it doesn't benefit anyone.
I was driving home once from the university which is right next to the checkpoint to go into Mexico.
I was going to make a turn when a little boy about 5 or 7 years old jumped in front of my car and was being chased
by the border patrol. I just think it's rather stupid, I may be wrong about this but I always thought America was the land of opportunities. And it's so hypocritical sometimes, because everyone from the U.s was an immigrant from the beginning!..except for the Indians.
I sort of ranted..but yeah.

I watched a documentary on "The Minutemen". Their excuses for some of the atrocious actions were pathetic and bigoted. I've never been down there, nor would I ever travel through Texas, but I've heard very little good about how they treat immigrants.


I don't have a good opinion of the police department to begin with. There are a few older guys who aren't too bad, but on a whole, they're just a bunch of bastards. A copper pulled a gun on me and my siblings when I was very little and I will always hold it against them. There was also an officer who was sexually abusing rape victims in my city, and was thankfully found guilty of those crimes. So to hear that they were deporting a guy who managed to become an officer, despite my bias against them, is still pretty knuckle-headed.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

I find that funny actually since in this case he was no danger or terrorist or anything.

They should've given him a chance to become a citizen before going for the deportation.

But I can also understand the deportation. If he had enough time and the ability to become a policeman.....I bet he could've done the stuff to become a citizen (since he would have to understand English and there are free/cheap classes offered for the tests to become a citizen), but he chose not to. Why?

Well that's just silly. To deport a man who proved to protect his fellow citizens, and end up being treated like a dog. Sometimes I will never understand this country.

Most countries do not want people of certain nationalities in their country.(e.g Arabs, Mexicans, asians, ect.) Most of the time, they could care less how productive the immigrant is. For them, claiming that the person is not a productive member of society is just a convenient excuse. They could care less that he is a police officer. He came here illegally and he is Mexican. They think that he came here illegally and by-golly they want him out of their country. I think that the Government even uses the excuse that people are illegal as an excuse to deport them. They don't like Mexicans and Arabs, period. If they're legal than they're still an immigrant, just one that they can't do anything about, in fear of looking racist. This isn't the first time the Government has tried to find a reason to deport Mexicans. Marijuana was made illegal in the United States was because of Mexicans who smoked the drug.

Originally Posted by Aemilia

Marijuana was made illegal in the United States was because of Mexicans who smoked the drug.

Aemilia: Whoa whoa whoa. Sorry to call you out, but where the heck are you getting your facts from? While that was a part of the story, that's not at all the only reason. The ban on marijuana was a political dirty trick put together by Harry J. Anslinger, who liked to spew such garbage as:

“There are 100,000 total marijuana smokers in the US, and most are Negroes, Hispanics, Filipinos, and entertainers. Their Satanic music, jazz, and swing, result from marijuana use. This marijuana causes white women to seek sexual relations with Negroes, entertainers, and any others.”
“…the primary reason to outlaw marijuana is its effect on the degenerate races.”
“Marijuana is an addictive drug which produces in its users insanity, criminality, and death.”
“Reefer makes darkies think they’re as good as white men.”
“Marihuana leads to pacifism and communist brainwashing”
“You smoke a joint and you’re likely to kill your brother.”
“Marijuana is the most violence-causing drug in the history of mankind.”

The paper companies were the first and loudest voice against hemp, because they were afraid that it would replace timber in the paper industry. Think about it - hemp can be used for paper, fabric, medicinal purposes, and recreation. It's pretty much a wonder substance. A lot of people would go out of business because of it.

Hemp was ALSO banned because the hearing against it was intentionally poorly attended. The hearing was planned specifically to avoid getting the issue seen by the whole House, which would have delayed the ban for months, even years, if not stopping it entirely.

In fact, the only pro-hemp doctor at the hearing had a smear campaign launched against him from the beginning.

The U.S. outlawing of marijuana is a tale of bureaucratic under-the-table dirty tricks, of which racism was but a little part.

Here's some reading material:
Why is Marijuana Illegal? « Drug WarRant
How Marijuana Became Illegal
Reasons why pot is still illegal today: Why Marijuana is Illegal - Top 7 Reasons Why Marijuana is Illegal

@ Anaxilea - I wish I could like your post. Because I would..over and over. I was going to say something about that but I figured I couldn't word it right because of my annoyance towards it. x:

What do you mean by he changed his last name? You mean he used to fake name? Or legally got it changed?

I loved your use of fucktards. It made me laugh :) Anyways, I think it's stupid. First of all, the police should have run a background check first before hiring him and let him settle down. Second of all, he's already proven himself as an effective and functioning member of society. That's a lot more than many members of our country. Obviously he was trying to better his life. I don't know if he had a family, I haven't read up on him, but if so he probably wanted their lives better. And if not, he probably wanted to make a family and give them a better life than they would have had in the country he immigrated from. I know there are rules and policies, but honestly, he's proven himself and they should've let this go or found some way to help become legal instead of deporting him. there were probably many other options as to what they could've done, but they went with the easiest, at least to them, and deported him.

Personally, I don't think it really matters if he was an outstanding citizen in the country. He broke the law upon entering the country illegally. And he is one of the few that actually come here to do some good - even when they're legal. I've witnessed too many personal accounts on this subject to, for a lack of a better word, sympathize with them. From what I've seen, the most they do is come here to eat up welfare and simply become a nuisance to neighborhoods and businesses with their actions (such as stealing, screaming and hollering outside non-stop, overall poor ethics and lack of manners and consideration of other people's property). I speak, of course, out of the experience that I've had in my neighborhood and many others. This is not to say that they are all like this. Majority has rule over the minority though, as it would seem, and the majority is what will be recognized the most.

Originally Posted by Cat Eye

I bet he could've done the stuff to become a citizen (since he would have to understand English and there are free/cheap classes offered for the tests to become a citizen), but he chose not to. Why?

It's a lot harder to become a citizen in the states than it sounds. The movies make it look easy, but the reality is that the United States rarely allows people--in my opinion--who aren't white to have citizenships. Even then, they don't always grant status. There was just a story in my news about a man who had been living here for thirty years and had applied for status after the designated time. So for just under thirty years he had been applying to become a citizen; on the news he spoke perfect English, had his own business, a family, paid taxes (the news relayed that information), etc. But it was thirty years.

Originally Posted by Sir D . L O Van Lobsters

What do you mean by he changed his last name? You mean he used to fake name? Or legally got it changed?

Mora-Lopez had been a police officer for six years and took a false identity that no one seemed to question and that passed police department review. It helped that his peers and Police Chief Mark Mew saw him as an excellent employee who doesn’t appear to have ever broken the law except for how he got the job he loves.

Apparently he was only caught when he applied for a passport, and homeland security was investigating him to see if he was part of a larger conspiracy.

Personally, I think "Homeland Security" is a hoax. I was coming back over the border from Canada with my mother when she was humiliated in front of an entire building of people by the U.S. border patrol. She had cancer at the time and was going through radiation, so the little pagers on the hips of all the American guards went off.
Instead of politely asking her what it was or pulling her aside, they flipped out and acted like a bunch of morons; it was so pathetic.

@Presley: Here's a nice site for you, first of all - I'm not racist, but... .

Actually, minority rules over majority when it comes to stereotyping and reputation. That is, the few ruin it for the many. Having lived in six states all over the country, I've known my fair share of immigrants and have seen every side of the argument... not to mention being a second-generation (legal!) immigrant from the Netherlands myself!

America has its fair share of assholes, both immigrant and, all too often, native. But we also have a much larger number of very good people, both from here and abroad, and while I think that something needs to be done about the illegal immigrant situation, I think it DOES very much matter that he was an outstanding citizen.

Originally Posted by Presley

Personally, I don't think it really matters if he was an outstanding citizen in the country. He broke the law upon entering the country illegally. And he is one of the few that actually come here to do some good - even when they're legal. I've witnessed too many personal accounts on this subject to, for a lack of a better word, sympathize with them. From what I've seen, the most they do is come here to eat up welfare and simply become a nuisance to neighborhoods and businesses with their actions (such as stealing, screaming and hollering outside non-stop, overall poor ethics and lack of manners and consideration of other people's property). I speak, of course, out of the experience that I've had in my neighborhood and many others. This is not to say that they are all like this. Majority has rule over the minority though, as it would seem, and the majority is what will be recognized the most.

Yikes, that's pretty racist.

There are oodles of people, natural born citizens, who "eat up welfare". My God, even senators, legislators, and local politicians do it here. Sarah Palin enjoyed using all the resources of office without actually doing any of the work; if anyone should be deported, it's her ass. Her daughter's birth was covered by the governor's healthcare services at the time. Joe Miller accepted dozens of subsidies and government handouts while simultaneously trying to keep others from doing the same. Donald Trump applied for bankruptcy how many times? Over seven? Should you be able to run a business if you have to have the government pay for it all the time? Or be a bank if you can't actually do business?

I don't live on the border, I live up in Alaska. This is the land of carpet baggers, most of whom are pieces of white trash from all the other states. My family has been here for generations even before it was a state and all I get to do is sit back and watch military bases use up resources that my family worked to develop. I get to watch the news at how military families use up government money, about how military men assault women on the trails near the bases, and how their children get into lottery schools without question. If anyone is sucking up resources here, it would be the military.


To keep somewhat on topic:
He wasn't depleting resources from the state. He was a police officer who happened to reveal a flaw in the competency of the entire organization. According to the quote, he did a great job and loved what he did. He has a family, and had been a police officer for six years. It's not just "Hey, I want to be a copper." You go through an academy, training, etc. to be on the beat. And looking on an individual case, instead of just the false generalization that all immigrants use up resources and cause harm, I don't see anything wrong with what he did.
So, he changed his Spanish name to another Spanish name. I have no idea why, and as far as anyone can tell, both names are from nobodies.

I have to say this since welfare was brought up.

Some people sincerely need it. Many of my family are disabled and cannot work, but they've tried to work over the years and pay their taxes.

My uncle is disabled-on oxygen 24/7 and he can't get them to give him his disability, but he has food stamps because he has a child. Who knows what will happen to him when she turns 18. Then they won't even be getting child support.

But it does piss me off when people are sucking off the government. At least apply to become a citizen. It's easier here than some other countries. (Some places won't let you) Or call for asylum. Considering some of the things that go on in Mexico and other countries.....you might get it.

My facts come from here. Marijuana was smoked by minority groups. Very few whites smoked the drug. While it was used for products, most of his arguments had to do with recreational use of hemp.

The U.S. outlawing of marijuana is a tale of bureaucratic under-the-table dirty tricks, of which racism was but a little part.

The first article makes it seem like it was more than a little part.

"Again, racism was part of the charge against marijuana, as newspapers in 1934 editorialized: “Marihuana influences Negroes to look at white people in the eye, step on white men’s shadows and look at a white woman twice.”

"Two other fear-tactic rumors started to spread: one, that Mexicans, Blacks and other foreigners were snaring white children with marijuana; and two, the story of the “assassins.” Early stories of Marco Polo had told of “hasheesh-eaters” or hashashin, from which derived the term “assassin.” In the original stories, these professional killers were given large doses of hashish and brought to the ruler’s garden (to give them a glimpse of the paradise that awaited them upon successful completion of their mission). Then, after the effects of the drug disappeared, the assassin would fulfill his ruler’s wishes with cool, calculating loyalty."

"One of the “differences” seized upon during this time was the fact that many Mexicans smoked marijuana and had brought the plant with them, and it was through this that California apparently passed the first state marijuana law, outlawing “preparations of hemp, or loco weed.”

"In the eastern states, the “problem” was attributed to a combination of Latin Americans and black jazz musicians."

"Ok, enter William Randolph Hearst. Hearst's company was a major consumer of the cheap tree-pulp paper that had replaced hemp paper in the late 19th century. The Hearst Corporation was also a major logging company, and produced Du Pont's chemical-drenched tree pulp paper, which yellowed and fell apart after a short time. Fueled by the advertising sold to the petrochemical industries, Hearst Newspapers were also known for their sensationalist stories. Hearst despised poor people, black people, chinese, hindus, and all other minorities. Most of all he hated Mexicans. Pancho Villa's cannabis-smoking troops had reclaimed some 800,000 acres of prime timberland from Hearst in the name of the mexican peasants. And all of the low-quality paper the company planned to make by deforesting it's vast timber holdings were in danger of being replaced by low-cost, high quality paper made from hemp."

Also, most of your quotes support the notion that racism was had more than a little to do with it.
While it wasn't the only thing, it certainly didn't have little to do with it. Yes, it had to do with lumber profits but his arguments for why it should be banned were tied to racism and violence. If it was not for racism it wouldn't have been as successful. He used racism to sway the public. The public who was already racist were susceptible to his scare tactics. If not for racism, his arguments wouldn't have swayed the public as much.