Wow so they made potpourri illegal in ohio... WHY!??! Just because people overdose on it because they sit there and smoke the stuff. SOME people use it for the actual scent. I LOVED all the scents they had at topline 11. But now i cant ever get it again. Its really unfair to the people that actually use the potpourri for its real use... :/

You should use this opportunity to make your own! ;D

lol onlyway to do it around here anymore right? lol

I've never heard of real potpourri being illegal. I'm fairly certain that when they say potpourri they specifically refer to that k2 synthetic marijuana stuff.

Originally Posted by Risque

I've never heard of real potpourri being illegal. I'm fairly certain that when they say potpourri they specifically refer to that k2 synthetic marijuana stuff.

Yes, this is what I'd thought too. I've just searched it up, and it is k2 potpourri that is now banned, not the potpourri that you'd use to make nice smells waft around your house. (Though I've read that the k2 potpourri also comes in a variety of flavors such as vanilla and such, so maybe they also make nice smells waft around your house? I think I'll just shut up.)

It's K2, not all potpourri. You're not supposed to smoke it but people are dumb and abuse things so they get banned. It's still legal here and there's a lot of places that still sell it.

I didnt know it was k2??? i thought k2 was illegal? i just loved the scent of them. Too bad people are stupid and go out and get all stupid smoking a potpourri and getting arrested.

It's the same thing as kids huffing paint to get high. If you're going to get high make sure the stuff is at least safe, you know?

totally agreed mystic, and with that said there are warning labels all over the packs of potpourri. But hopefully they will come out with new formulas soon. Ive tried one new formula, its a 100% chemical free type. But theres absolutely no smell, so blah. haha. Ill just have to wait and see what happens.

Hmm yes, people do do a lot of stupid things just to get high. I've even heard of people sniffing computer duster up their nose.

ew yuck, yes. my friend in highschool flipped his truck because he was inhaling duster through a rag while driving (he was a complete dumba-- btw) so yes i agree, people do do dumb things just to get high. :/

It's so pointless and crazy. You can't legislate stupidity away. Maybe legislators will go after Kraft next because if you eat too much of it you'll become morbidly obese and numerous health problems will arise.

Originally Posted by admonished nonsense

It's so pointless and crazy. You can't legislate stupidity away. Maybe legislators will go after Kraft next because if you eat too much of it you'll become morbidly obese and numerous health problems will arise.

Wow ive never thought of it that way, nice point my friend! i completely agree!

Is that really true?! That's just absolutely ludicrous! I've never heard of such a thing! Next thing you know sugar or coffee will be illegal too because it's a 'stimulant' lol

I'm actually surprised that energy drinks and things like that aren't regulated more because of how much crap is in those. Caffeine pills are another thing I'm surprised are still available.

Yeps, its really true. And im so sad D;

And yeah ikr why can they sell caffeine pills and striker energy pills and stuff but not something for making my room smell good. I mean come on, my rooms in the basement! and id rather not be burning an incense stick down there. haha

Another thing, why shouldn't people be responsible for their own actions? Whether they be good, bad, stupid, or smart. What kind of point are legislators trying to make? "If you do something stupid with ____ product, we'll ban it!" That sort of reminds me of the guy who goes to movies and blurts out spoilers, ruining the movie for everyone. Yeah, that asshole. I mean legislators are acting like some delusional parent. Imagine that the legislator is a parent and two children are in his/her care. The first child brings a small little hand shovel. The second child asks the first child to borrow the little shovel and promptly hits the cat with it. The parent comes out fuming, looking between the two children deciding what to do. The parent/legislators snatch away the shovel from the second child and smiles at him. Then promptly turns around, packs the first child in a UPS box, and sends it to North Carolina. The first child is the manufacturer, the second child the user, the parent the legislation.

I understand that we don't want bazookas in the hands of soccer moms or Agent Orange being used to make baby shampoo but I think we need some perspective. We ban K2 because people have overdosed on it and yet how many are forever injured or just plain dead because they sniffed paint, sniffed glue, whatever? Or what about products like bleach, cough syrup, antihistamines, or even products like alcohol and tobacco.

The consequences of our actions shouldn't be put on someone else, they should be put on us. Then there's the money. Legislation isn't free, it's horrendously expensive. For example, WA spends somewhere around $211,451,996 a year on enforcing Marijuana alone. Of course the cost of enacting the legislation, entering it into the law books, training people to enforce it and whatnot, for K2 is definitely a ton lower, but even it was 1/100th of the price that's still a ton of freaking money. I'd rather spend that money hiring more prosecutors to put drunk drivers in jail, maybe give the local PD some raises, put some more officers on the road, and maybe catch some actual criminals. Or maybe they could build some skate parks or some other place that's open late for kids to hang out at instead of sniffing glue because Mrs. Sanders gave you an F and your moms totally going to freak. K2 is at the bottom of the list of actions that would help. What's the cost, what's the benefit. Apparently nobody has asked this question.

Teenagers are always going to find something stupid to use. What's the point of banning every new thing that comes along? Because something else will come along. I dunno, maybe it'll be Cheeto flavored coal chips. I totally agree that teenagers sniffing things is a problem that needs to be addressed. I'd like to work towards finding a cure, but banning K2 isn't the answer. I don't want my tax dollars to pay for a cure that isn't going to cure the disease.

/Haven't slept in days rant

Holy cow. I can totally tell you havnt slept in days xD

What is potpourri?
I've never heard of it in my life. o3o

Yup, there are always idiots who ruin everything for everyone else. :P
LOL I especially loooovvve people who take out pointless lawsuits against companies for stupid things common sense should already cover, just to make a quick buck. Then the companies have to add some dumb warning label that states a bunch of crap that people should already know.
"Suffocation warning, don't stick a platic bag over your kid's head you moron! lolololol" or "Do not drink this lemon pinesol, you'll get sick and die, then we'll all point and laugh at you because you're a total dumb ass." or my favorite..."Hey fuckface, it's coffee, coffee is hot. Don't be a douche."
Or at least they should say shit like that in my opinion, but then some dumbshit will come along and sue the crap out of them too because they're "insulted and want pain & suffering money".

@Ginger - OMGOSHHH Ikr Ginger! On the potpourri bags it says not for human consumption and not to be burnt.

@Lady Vengeance - Its multiple types of leaves baked in oils, herbs, and stems from the herb plant. It Smells good and is used to put in a potpourri bowl (small glass bowl, Not a pipe) and the aroma will gently move around the room. It comes in many diffirent kinds and scents. My favorite scent is anything that has to do with blueberry, It makes me the most relaxed while reading.

i doubt they banned every and all form of potpourri, probably just the k2. and heres why.

Teen left brain damaged and blind after smoking synthetic marijuana | Mail Online

also, for the people spouting ignorance and stupidity ( im not going to call anyone out ), the people who smoke this stuff arent to blame. you'd assume if its being sold in a gas station or other shops like that it would be atleast relatively safe. also the companies who make this shit market it as being smokable, and a legal alternative to weed. ironically, the girl in that article would've been completley fine if she had smoked real weed. another reason to make marijuana legal i guess.

yea, and dont worry ive been getting the nonk2 kind anyway.

Originally Posted by caseyur

@Ginger - OMGOSHHH Ikr Ginger! On the potpourri bags it says not for human consumption and not to be burnt.

@Lady Vengeance - Its multiple types of leaves baked in oils, herbs, and stems from the herb plant. It Smells good and is used to put in a potpourri bowl (small glass bowl, Not a pipe) and the aroma will gently move around the room. It comes in many diffirent kinds and scents. My favorite scent is anything that has to do with blueberry, It makes me the most relaxed while reading.

Aww damn. :(
I was gonna roll up a joint with it.
Then sprinkle some in my topramen burrito when I get the munchies!

It's stupid to ban something just because dumb kids want to use it to get high, hell just watch one of these days they'll try to ban nutmeg.
I heard of kids smoking/eating/snorting it or some shit in large quantities.
I guess it makes you feel similar to if you smoke pot.
Kids are hella stupid. Just do real drugs like the rest of us.
Kidding kidding. xD

JChanOfTheCan – I just wanted to address a few things that I thought of while sort of browsing the issue. Either way, legalization or illegalization doesn’t affect me. I think it’s silly to smoke something like that. I’m more concerned with the principle, because that’s both far more interesting and far more important. Chemistry is just dry and boring.

The first thing I noticed was the majority of those negatively affected according to the Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration was those between the ages of 12 to 17. If I remember correctly at least in Texas you have to be eighteen to purchase K2. This raises several questions, the first I’ll address now and the other later. If you have to be eighteen to purchase the product then that means these underage individuals are acquiring these substances through a third-party. This is very common with beer, liquor, cigarettes and other substances too. If the majority of the individuals affected are underage and should not be in possession of the substance in the first place then the problem is not the substance, but through whom that underage individual acquired the substance. Targeting those who are facilitating these transfers to underage individuals would be very good and could simultaneously target those who are responsible for the transfer of alcohol, cigarettes, and other substances. Virtually all high school students and most college students are under twenty-one, however many drink alcohol occasionally and many in college drink frequently and heavily. How many alcohol-related accidents do underage individuals get into a year? The issue of straw deals is something that really should be addressed.

Though I do believe the drinking age should be eighteen. I mean if you’re deemed responsible enough to enlist in the military, fight in a war, own a firearm, vote, own property, how are you not responsible enough to have a beer? Come on.

It’s also important to figure out how harmful the substance is. The Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration says that in 2010 synthetic cannabis was linked to 11,406 (primarily 12-17) drug-related emergency room visits. First, that number should be verified and then we must figure out something even more important, what do those numbers mean?

The verified number simply isn’t enough. It is imperative to investigate what those statistics represent to properly address the situation. Examples of that would be figuring out how much K2 and similar substances was consumed before being admitted and does age contribute to the chances of being hospitalized. For example if an individual smoked a considerable amount (whatever that may be) that individual should not be tallied. With every substance, medication, alcohol, cigarettes, and many others if you consume too much you will be negatively affected regardless. Another important factor to determine is if age changes the chances of being negatively affected. For example, the effects of alcohol are different on a ten year old than a twenty-one year old. That’s why you shouldn’t give a kid a six-pack while watching Monday Night football. It is also important to remember that there are always those that are negatively affected regardless because their body reacts differently to the substance than many others. This is true for all substances. The reason this is all important is so that you’re targeting the average of-age users.

There’s another important factor that needs to be found, comparing those affected negatively to those who experience the intended side-effects. After to eliminate those who “overdose”, the percentage that will be affected due to uncommon reactions to the substance, and the age groups that are affected differently because of age (if there are any.) That number should then be compared to those who smoke K2 and similar substances that do not experience those negative side-effects. Around 26,000 people are hospitalized a year and about 458 die each year from acetaminophen (Tylenol) overdoses a year. There are always those who will abuse a product, regardless.

While 11,000 may seem a large number (and the number may be lower if you factor in what I explained above) it may actually be a small percentage of the overall number of users. If say, two million (US population, 313 million) people have smoked K2 or similar products and only ten thousand of those individuals experience negative effects that mean that only 0.5% will experience a negative reaction. That’s one individual out of every 200 users. That really isn’t that bad.

I don’t know how many people have done K2. A million seemed reasonable.

Scientific studies should also be conducted on the use of synthetic herbal blends by humans. As far as I know no human studies have been done concerning the effects of fake cannabis use.

How does K2 compare to other substances? If we’re going to outlaw K2 and similar substances we should compare K2 to other substances. What are the negative effects of other legal goods like cigarettes and alcohol? In the United States it is estimated that 79,000 die from excessive alcohol use, this does not include the 16,000-17,000 deaths from alcohol-related car accidents. Each year, more than 400,000 American dies from cigarette smoking. I don’t personally like the CDC cigarette smoking statistic because I believe the used bad math skills to come up with it. Still, if that number is say, actually 100,000 that’s still x10 more than K2. Of course less people smoke K2 than cigarettes, so who knows what we’d actually see in a comparison. More or less I’m trying to illustrate a point; if cigarettes and alcohol are legal, why not K2?

According to the National Health and Nutrition Examination Surveys there’s 78 Americans who are considered obese. Especially in adults obesity is linked to risk of heart disease, type 2 diabetes, high blood pressure, certain cancers, and other chronic conditions. If we believe the government is responsible for looking out for our health and should ban K2 shouldn’t we then illegalize stuffed pastries and fast food restaurants? Maybe Kraft should be too!

When it comes to alcohol and cigarettes of age consumers are allowed to decide the risks he or she wants to take. Why not substances like K2? Of course if the user is underage that user and the individual responsible for acquiring the substance for the minor should be punished. In 2004 there were 3,308 unintentional drownings in the United States. In the same years 26% of children 1-4 years old died from drowning. Fatal drowning is also the second-leading cause of unintentional injury-related death for children 1 to 14. Drowning’s probably more dangerous to children than K2, should we illegalize lakes and swimming pools? Especially when you consider that 19% of drowning deaths involving children occur in public pools with certified lifeguards present! I believe it’s very poor judgment to illegalize one activity because it’s dangerous while allowing another dangerous activity to be legal. If we illegalize one activity on the rational that it’s dangerous why shouldn’t it also include swimming pools, sky diving, biking, motorcycles, drinking, smoking, fast food restaurants, driving sports cars, playing football, fishing, hiking, and camping?

I’m not exactly saying that K2 shouldn’t be made illegal. For example, some substances should probably be illegal. Like biological weapons and keeping missile launchers as pets. I fundamentally believe that each individual should be free to decide for themselves what they wish to do with their own bodies. I see people on all sides of me smoking and nobody denies that smoking increases your chance of death. I consider smoking foolish because I quit on the evidence! Yet those same people may look at me and consider me foolish because, I ride mountain bikes, motorcycles, and jaywalk. The beautiful thing is it doesn’t matter, we can voice our own opinions, wrinkle our noses, but in the end we’re able to decide for ourselves the risks we do and do not want to take. I do not believe people (or the government, which is made up of people) have the right to tell someone else what they can and cannot do with their own body. This principle doesn’t stop at smoking or riding motorcycles either. If people want to consent to the risks, why shouldn’t we let them? (I also support the legalization of marijuana.)

Of course if the companies producing these substances conceal or falsify information, use false advertising, and other illicit activities then they should be sued for damages. The government provides courts of laws for this reason so corporations who do these things can be made to pay very heavy expenses. The company should be targeted, not the particular substance. I believe courts are a more proficient alternative to legislators for several reasons.

1. When a substance is outlawed is outlawed a similar yet different substance will be introduced. Especially in these situations where the technology is there to make alternative substances and the market is there to warrant the research and development of said substances. The legislators will be unable to keep up. I believe it is wrong to outlaw all similar substances through prior restraint on new substances that may or may not be harmful.
2. Second, I believe that banning the substance is simply not a viable form of justice. What happens when the substance is outlawed? Companies finance the research of a similar substance. Even though various substances are being banned new ones are taking their place. Because new substances are taking its place this probably shows that the demand and market is great enough to support the continued financing of new substances. If it’s not synthetic cannabis then it will be something else. They’ll just start selling something new with similar effects.
3. If a company is guilty of fraud, false advertising, and other illicit activities it should be directly responsible for those actions. Legislation is obviously not impacting the company’s ability to market these substances. If the company is at fault then they should be directly responsible for compensating the victims. Legislating against the substances does not compensate the victims. Also, if enough people are negatively affected the case could financially cripple the company or at the very lease greatly hurt the company through financial loss and other negative effects.

Perhaps K2 and similar substances have some massive long term negative medical impacts on the majority of the legal users. Yet we won’t know until we investigate the situation further, compare the numbers, the risks, and countless other factors. That’s the primarily point I’m trying to stress, these issues are a little more subtle and sophisticated than we’re first led to believe by what we see in the news or online. Because of the nature of K2 I totally think we need to investigate this further and really figure out what the long term effects are of K2 are on the legal user base. We wouldn’t want to have people selling rat poison as a muscle relaxant would we?

My bet is that it’s going to turn us all into zombies.