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Old 08-03-2017, 09:58 PM

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So I guess in the end they contribute nothing to society.
well I certainly never said that lol just recently, one of my friends was punished by his peers and his school for being white :/

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I am proud of being German.
I didn't even know my family was German until my grandfather died and before he died he told us (being my parents and I) that he spent childhood in Germany and came to the USA after he finished school.

I don't know much about Germany, but I am proud of Germany because they kept my grandfather there who wasn't perfect, mind you, but was a great person and did what he could for his family.

I am also very proud to be black because I feel like black people have endured so much in America, it's cool to be a part of such a strong group of people who (even though have a lack of their own culture and identity) can form their own culture out of nothing and who have made such important contributions to American history.
ava the vampire, if you do not mind my asking, is the black part of your family descended from slaves or did they immigrate to the u.s. willingly from africa?

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Old 08-03-2017, 10:13 PM

The black side of my family is a mixture of different people,
For the most part, I do believe that they were slaves, though.

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Old 08-11-2017, 11:33 PM

Why bother having any parades then?
Parades are to celebrate things in a large scale and party a little with people who all are like, hell yeah [whatever the parade is for]. It links people together in the community.

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Old 08-15-2017, 04:26 PM

OH BOY! This thread is a hot mess! And, I've been away forever so what better way for me to jump back in then give my two cents on this matter.

Disclosure: I am bisexual and white.

I guess I'll start with the OP.

I love Pride month/week/day - the visibility is fantastic. Though not without it's problems.

I think it's important to remember Pride was not originally a parade. It was a riot - led by queer black trans women. I find this important to remember; as many Pride celebrations today are very white cis gay male-centric. Not only that; but very-very corporate.

There is nothing inherently wrong with either of those things - but many people have shared stories of alienation from Pride; be it on account of gender, race, or disability - due to dominate white gay culture. I myself have been interrogated and sexually harassed by gay men who didn't believe I was bisexual; and thought that just because they're gay it was okay to touch me. Things like this make Pride - which should be a safe space - very unwelcoming to certain folks in the community.

As for the corporate aspect. I have a love/hate relationship with this one. Some business support Pride; and actively work against discrimination in the workplace. But when you're funding Pride - but do nothing to protect your queer workers??? Why are you even here. Though - in North America it's no where near the level of Pinkwashing you see in Israel - which is a bigger issue.

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I'm actually surprised BLM didn't get brought up yet. In a lot of Pride parades in my area we've followed suit of Toronto's Pride and stopped uniformed Police from marching. This again goes back to the original riots of Pride - based on the police raids of queer and trans safe places.
Not to mention that many minorities within the community are subject to police brutality and violence. It's a safety thing; and I'm super pumped about it. The police in my hometown weren't even upset about it - because they actively work with the LGBT community in my city - as they should.

Another issue I have is the seemingly inherent alcohol involvement that is tied with Pride. There is a sever lack of alcohol-free safe spaces for queer kids in the community. Where do we have to turn that isn't a gay bar?? I'm not sitting here calling for more LGBT cafes... but I'm sitting here calling for more LGBT cafes. :P

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So... as I said. Lots of issues...and while I don't actively participate I LOVE seeing the support, visibility, and just plain LOVE being spread around during these times!!

Now on to some of the replies:

1) White/male Pride: There is a plethora of white culture to be proud of. Many European countries have specific cultural practices to be proud of!! One of my favorites that come to mind is Ukrainian! As a Canadian I am fiercely protective of Poutine! But if this isn't enough for ya'll then I'm sorry - the successes of White Men are celebrated on a daily basis. It's just what is normal in our culture. Like that time Katie Ledecky won gold, breaking an Olympic world record - but a news papers STILL put her second to the male swimmer who won bronze... really???

Like. I know it's a hard pill to swallow - but White culture is what's taught in schools. Minority kids have to search for themselves in North America's history books because we've all but written them out. This is why there is no White Pride... Actually that's a lie. White Pride does exist!! Charlottseville is a great example.

Like... seriously? I know you probably wrote your post before that happened - but there is a REASON people meet you with hostility when you wanna talk about White Pride. Historically - no... not even historically - CURRENTLY - It gets people killed.

2) 'Shoved down your throat': First of all LOLOLOLOL. It's a targeted event aimed at visibility and inclusion! No ones going door to door demanding you hear the word of our Lord and Savior Macklemore. Being visible is not forcing it down your throat.

Like...? I mostly don't have a valid response to this claim. You're being forced to accept gay culture? GOOD. It's basic human rights.

3) Pride as biological: Okay okay okay okay. There is a difference between 'being gay' and 'gay culture'. Like... I really don't get what point your trying to make here? You hate gay culture? I say you have no idea what gay culture is... and that's fine; it's probably not for you anyway!

4) Made up genders: All genders are made up. This is rude/dismissive to say.

5) "The Left" as having nothing based in fact and only know how to protest: LOL Charlottlesville.

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Old 08-15-2017, 05:49 PM

I understand the point being made that white pride is historically bad but based on your reply it's not very good in general.

Black lives matter burned their own city to the ground. As far as I see it they should be met with the same mindset at white pride.

You don't really have to accept gay culture. That's the whole point. Your preference is none of anyone else's business until you make it to the bedroom. The rules of PDA make it minimal because a small kiss is socially acceptable for anyone, making out is frowned on. That's how I see it here anyways.

But that doesn't dismiss their parades or anything. If it's planned ahead and traffic can be notified for detours I don't really mind them.

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Old 08-16-2017, 01:35 AM

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Black lives matter burned their own city to the ground. As far as I see it they should be met with the same mindset at white pride.
There are chapters of Black Lives Matter in multiple cities - so I don't really know what you're talking about??

And BLM is no where NEAR on the level of Neo-Nazi's the KKK and other White Pride groups.

Like... their foundations are built on solidarity and equal rights whereas White Pride is built upon white supremacy - literally killing and segregating minorities??

Ya'll are misinformed on what BLM actually is.

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Old 08-16-2017, 05:57 AM

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There are chapters of Black Lives Matter in multiple cities - so I don't really know what you're talking about??

And BLM is no where NEAR on the level of Neo-Nazi's the KKK and other White Pride groups.

Like... their foundations are built on solidarity and equal rights whereas White Pride is built upon white supremacy - literally killing and segregating minorities??

Ya'll are misinformed on what BLM actually is.
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Old 08-16-2017, 07:42 AM

Black Lives Matter throws 'black only' Memorial Day party | On Air Videos | Fox News

I am fairly certain any "white" organization that would so openly exclude folks of other races from attending one of their events would be labeled as racist. But not if you are BLM.

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There are chapters of Black Lives Matter in multiple cities - so I don't really know what you're talking about??

And BLM is no where NEAR on the level of Neo-Nazi's the KKK and other White Pride groups.

Like... their foundations are built on solidarity and equal rights whereas White Pride is built upon white supremacy - literally killing and segregating minorities??

Ya'll are misinformed on what BLM actually is.
Boring multiple choice history question:

The KKK was founded by:

A) radical Republicans who worked to abolish slavery

B) Col. Sanders

C) Barney, the purple dinosaur

D) white Southern Democrats

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Old 08-16-2017, 12:37 PM

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Like. I know it's a hard pill to swallow - but White culture is what's taught in schools. Minority kids have to search for themselves in North America's history books because we've all but written them out. This is why there is no White Pride... Actually that's a lie. White Pride does exist!! Charlottseville is a great example.
how can you defend BLM, yet equate ALL white pride with neo-nazis and the KKK? "LOL charlottesville"??? does this event somehow legitimize "the left"'s actions or generalizations? because clearly anyone who supports having pride in white heritage must also support what happened there (or so it would seem if you ask these people), yet the BLM riots and racially-motivated crimes are all treated like isolated incidents that don't speak for their group, much less black pride as a whole.
also, dismissing the actions of those groups because they're "not as bad" is basically saying that they're OK because there are worse things done by other groups that you like less. attitudes like that are exactly why people keep drawing attention to double standards regarding matters of racial pride in the first place. because there are double standards.

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4) Made up genders: All genders are made up. This is rude/dismissive to say.
you just claimed that calling a gender made-up was rude/dismissive, but called everyone's gender made-up in the same post. so which one is it? you also invalidated the experiences of actual transgender people who suffer from dysphoria. either all gender is "made-up" (which is pretty obviously untrue due to observable biology) and thus being transgender is just a choice like picking out what shirt to wear, or gender is indeed a real thing and therefore a distinction needs to be made between an inherent gender identity and one fabricated based on personal preferences. or are you denying that such things even happen? because they most certainly do, and there are people who have found out the hard way that gender identity and dysphoria are very real things. trying to "choose" to be transgender based on feelings and whims, rather than actual dysphoria caused by biological factors (that is, your inherent gender) can have bad results not just for the person doing it, but for those struggling to have their condition acknowledged for what it is and get the respect and medical treatment they need.

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Old 08-16-2017, 01:51 PM

I agree with uncledaddy
I didn't know that Irish celebrations and German parades were suddenly equated to the KKK and Neo-Nazis.

I am half black and I do support BLM, but I won't delude myself into thinking that they are perfect.

I also wouldn't go so far as to compare "white pride" festivals to KKK.

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Old 08-16-2017, 02:39 PM

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I agree with uncledaddy
I didn't know that Irish celebrations and German parades were suddenly equated to the KKK and Neo-Nazis.

I am half black and I do support BLM, but I won't delude myself into thinking that they are perfect.

I also wouldn't go so far as to compare "white pride" festivals to KKK.
I didn't say Irish and German celebrations were equal to the KKK.

I said Neo-Nazi's the KKK and other White Pride groups are not equal to BLM.

And no one calls festivals for Irish Pride, or German Pride, etc.. 'White Pride' festivals - Because it CLEARLY has the connotation of white supremacy groups.

And yes - all Genders are made up. The biological sexes (Of which there are more then 2) Are not made up. But gender roles, male/female, etc... are made up. Some are just more socially acceptable then others.

And I was referring to the fact that calling only those genders that 'teen girls' use as made up is rude. Because it was done so in a condescending manor.

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Old 08-17-2017, 03:43 AM

Black Lives Matter is an organization that has been getting major publicity for blocking traffic, rioting, and in many cases destroying the places they live. I saw LIVE video of some of these riots and I saw a LOT of fire, a LOT of broken windows, and a LOT of people looting.
What I also saw was a very (VERY) small group of people quietly protesting.

Let me clarify why I have issues with BLM.
1. They block public traffic with their protests. This is a severe danger to people not only the protestors but backing up traffic could put patients in an ambulance at risk. It puts the protestors at the risk of legal vehicular manslaughter as the ambulance WILL go through them. They are essentially forcing trauma on the driver who has an already traumatic job by forcing them to choose between the person blocking the road and the dying patient in the back.
2. Rioting. This is on par with what an anarchy group does. Sure it gets you a lot of publicity but behaving like this will not get it any positive recognition. They are trying to show that black lives matter by giving us the exact stereotype that the world sees, a violent group.
3. During the riots BLM is costing taxpayers millions of dollars and costing business owners their ability to survive.

As far as I'm concerned they should be encouraging people to join the police force and it would solve a majority of the complaints they have shown. In fact one officer (white) specifically stated requesting people to join them and work in their own neighborhoods.
Another issue is the schools. Go to school and be a teacher. Lead by example.

But lets think about this. You are basically stating that white people do not deserve pride, but people of color do.
Blacks and others of color deserve pride but whites do not. That's a strong and very racist point to make.
So if you are a very mixed black of many races you are still allowed to have pride through Black Lives Matter. If you are very mixed white of many races, you will be dehumanized by society for being a monster if you show pride. It's views like this that are exactly why I have no understanding of pride, I have not had the opportunity to experience it. Sure I could go the American Pride route... but no.



I have looked at the FBI census in the past to confirm graphs like this. You are over 10 times as likely to be attacked by a fellow BLM member than you are a white supremacist.

Now you have your reason Black Lives Matter was never brought up. It's not an organization about pride. They're just pointing the blame at someone else.

Uncle - Yes gender dysphoria is very much a real thing. Those that are identifying as unrealistic identities really should be called out because they put a negative light on those who truly suffer from it. I know people who suffer from it, and if you can not accept that you have gender dysphoria, you probably do not have it.

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Old 08-17-2017, 03:53 AM

What is the source of your graph, The Wandering Poet?

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Also, I don't think Black Lives Matter falls under the category of "pride"...the goal of this activist organization is awareness, fundraising, and other forms of solidarity against violence, et cetera.

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that is, I don't think their focus is being proud of something

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Old 08-17-2017, 04:32 AM

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I didn't say Irish and German celebrations were equal to the KKK.

I said Neo-Nazi's the KKK and other White Pride groups are not equal to BLM.

And no one calls festivals for Irish Pride, or German Pride, etc.. 'White Pride' festivals - Because it CLEARLY has the connotation of white supremacy groups.
that's the thing: those are specific nationalities. if anyone white claims to have racial pride, it's automatically associated with "white supremacy" and hate, regardless of context. and that is a huge problem.

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And yes - all Genders are made up. The biological sexes (Of which there are more then 2) Are not made up. But gender roles, male/female, etc... are made up. Some are just more socially acceptable then others.

And I was referring to the fact that calling only those genders that 'teen girls' use as made up is rude. Because it was done so in a condescending manor.
no, gender is not made up. gender roles =/= gender identity. if gender was made up, then again, transgender people would NOT EXIST.
and there are only 2 biological sexes; intersex conditions are not considered a normal, functioning third (or however many more depending on level/presentation of the condition) sex among humans. a combination of features of the two existing sexes doesn't necessarily equate to a third viable sex option.
if pointing out an observable fact (young women are most likely to make a point of using created "genders") is rude, then what do you call dismissing the entire existence of transgender people as a whole??

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Old 08-17-2017, 06:25 AM

The source of the graph is below it. The FBI census. I have looked at that census in the past.
The issue with their pursuit against violence is that their focus is on white against black violence which is far from what should be priority.

If their pursuit isn't pride then it really didn't belong in this topic, but given it was brought up, I thought I'd bring up the data.

Pride is always bad if one gets too much of it and extremists are a perfect example of this. That's part of why it's classified as one of the 7 deadly sins. A pride parade or the like would be basic pride and should be supported and encouraged for everyone. It's when pride classifies one race as superior that it needs pulled back to the basics.

 


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