Every time I go into the fresh meat forum I find a ton of new users begging for cloths and other items for their avitars and less and less good introduction posts being made.

I understand their want and need to clothe their avitars, no one wants to run around menewsha naked and we've all been there at one point or another.

I have nothing against donating items to new users but I do have a problem with current users encouraging begging without introduction.

Introductions are a good thing, it helps us get to know each other, make new friends with common interests and it breaks the ice so new users feel welcome and want to join us in discussing whatever pops into our heads. It helps our community grow and thrive which is exactly what we want.

So donate all the items you want to new users, just make sure to encourage them to tell us a little about themselves with it. That way they get items and we get more members who want to talk to us ;)

Make sense?

I believe this thread belongs in the Community Discussion Forum. I will be moving it shortly.

I just started but i also came from an almost 5 year account on gaia where i never begged once for what i had. I have to disagree, i feel that if someone pops up introducing themselves with just begging for stuff they should immediatly be removed from consideration for a donation.

Obviously they would not be willing to go out, take the time to be part of the community and contribute to the site, hence stagnation.

Oh by the way, can i has iten plz?

just kidding. >:3

lol, i don't mind donating to people, i just prefer to know a little about them first. I think it's rude to introduce yourself with a request and nothing else, it kind of defeats the purpose of the introduction as a whole.

From a staff point of view, I wouldn't condone it. Quite apart from the fact that begging is 100% against the rules, so by giving in to it, people are kind of breaking the rules themselves, accessory to the fact kind of thing.

Also, from my mean perspective, giving items to a brand new user who begs is a complete waste of time anyway. If they're the kind of kid who does that, they're not going to stick it out here. They'll start whining about not being able to spam and bump, and about how hard it is to make gold, and they'll adandon their account and go back to Gaia.

So yeah, that's my opinion, never give anything to a brand new account, as you're likely to just be throwing it away.

As a mod to the fresh meat forum, I can tell you that begging introductions annoy me to no end. I'll generally end up sending a pm to them and telling them to change their first post/title/whatever. Since it's against the rules, so they either change it or get an infraction.

We have charities specifically for new members, if they want to be a part of the site, they can go there and ask for items by filling out a form etc. I have nothing against donating to new members, if I stick around in a thread and actually have something in common and have a decent chat with them chances are I will send them 100 gold or something to help them get started, but begging? naw. Until they change their attitude they get nothing from me. ^^;;

exactly. I've been a moderator and owner of plenty of forums and stuff like that just drives me nuts. From my viewpoint it makes me feel like the user is just joining in to get something and isn't interested in contributing anything to the community.

I've found, more often than not, that these type of users are normally the ones who end up causing the most trouble and a lot of them ruin the fun aspects of the community for other members and end up stagnating the boards because everyone gets annoyed with them.

I'm glad I'm seeing some agreement on this topic/issue, i thought when I posted it some people would get t-ed off but so far we all seem to be in agreement which is fantastic, now if we could just spread this around a bit more it might do some good.

Any ideas on how to pass this out to the masses? *curious*

I don't consider asking once begging. I consider repeatedly asking begging. I am curious to see how mods define it.

I see asking once as begging. It's the mentality behind it not the actual act. If the first thing that comes out of someone's mouth when they join a new site is "gimme" basically, I'm not overly keen on them being here.

Now that may sound really harsh, but do bear in mind that right now I'm still bubbling in a pit of ire from all the blatant greed displayed by so many during the event. So my view point on anyone who turns up expecting handouts is less than rosy right now.

I don't tend to donate to people who are brand new because I worry they won't stick around. And I never donate to people who ask for donations.

I consider it begging too, i mean if they really wanted to participate in the site they would make a real introduction post and not just a post saying 'i'm new, give me stuff' as if they're entitled to free goods simply because they joined the site. We're a community and we can't grow if the only people we have are those joining in the hopes of gaining free items.

I am new but I never beg for anything, as I rather earn my own gold. I just started today but in a half hour or so I should have enough to buy one item just from playing ONE game alone. I dont believe in begging one bit and never did and never will. Once I get lots of gold I will help some deserving people including newbies, but thats far off in the future for now.

i see you got your one item already, congratulations :)

earning gold becomes easier as you get more used to menewsha so people who beg really miss out on some of the fun of learning the place too

When I donate to new people, I stalk their posts a bit before I give them anything. I make sure they meet my idea of someone I'd want sticking around Menewsha before I give them clothes or gold or whatnot.

Because if you feed the beggers, they'll stick around, but they'll continue begging. So please, don't feed the beggers. =S

I have never donated to someone who was begging(on this or any other site). I go to the forum(fresh meat, in this case)and I'll read through some of the posts. I end up picking someone who isn't asking for anything.
I can understand if someone were to say something like, "Any donations or help will be appreciated." Something to the effect of they would like any help given, but they aren't asking for it.

I don't think I've ever asked for anything. On sites where I have friends I may ask them for help when I first start. But I have never begged anyone for anything. Everything I have here on menewsha, I have earned without any help. It's the same with the other sites I'm on. It's frustrating in the beginning, but I keep going and the new people should do the same.

Originally Posted by jellysundae

I see asking once as begging. It's the mentality behind it not the actual act. If the first thing that comes out of someone's mouth when they join a new site is "gimme" basically, I'm not overly keen on them being here.

Now that may sound really harsh, but do bear in mind that right now I'm still bubbling in a pit of ire from all the blatant greed displayed by so many during the event. So my view point on anyone who turns up expecting handouts is less than rosy right now.

Agreed, if someone is going to come in and right off the bat say "I WANT THIS NAO!! :(" It comes off as entirely rude and outright obnoxious, against the rules or not...on ANY site its just uncalled for. I have given -few- (maybe i'm greedy but i also have a ginormous quest) donations to people, or attempted to help them out and whatnot, but if I see someone do the whole "guilt trip" beg like "man i'm so poor i just wish I had this this that this and that, or just a lot of gold" and mention it in almost EVERY post (especially if they are new) i just refrain from interacting with that person, i guess I'm a snob? XD;; I know I have done my fair share of whining about not having an item but I've come to terms with thats how i can be and i don't think i let it get too bad (i hope).

Now what i would encourage is someone who may even be only a week old getting a donation due to actively trying to make their own, make a goal (quest threads help, and not just a one post "I WANT EVERYTHING LOL" ) and all that. I hope that after i get over a certain point in my quest (which may or may not be soon) that i can just splurge on my friends or nice new people that i meet (and get art too :drool: ) Its always nice to give, but its better to give to someone that in a way can give back. (like participate in the community)

Hmm, not sure if my post makes all that much sense...i kinda rambled a bit. XD;;

(And what greedyness happened during the event? o: )

Take a read through the feedback thread, all the bitching about not getting enough apples to be able to get everything they wanted from the event store for free >_>

Sorry, the apples where not there to provide an entire inventory for nothing. People seem to forget that we provide an update at half-price in the first place, as well as the chance to get a few items for free on top of that.
But our generosity is just taken completely for granted, so much so that people don't even save up for an event any more. They simply expect the event currency to provide for them then bitch and moan when it doesn't.

Heaven forbid that people actually had to buy the store items that they wanted *grumbles*

*grumbles with jelly*

Kinda like people taking advantage of Mama Juru last Winter Nights. :/ Sometimes my faith in people gets destroyed. </3

Ohhh @ Jelly, i see @@;; i didnt read too much of that thread cause i posted when it was rather new XD;;

But yeah thats lame, i ended up getting more items than i thought i would lol i was pretty happy about that

and to be honest, not all sites provide cheaper commons or even a way to get them for free during events so people need to stop whining about not getting everything on a silver platter...granted some whining is a way to vent but saying AMAGAD I DIDNT GET 3478593475 FREE ITEMS WTF!!! is kinda cheezy s:

@Melody, i wasn't here for that XD;; Was that when she let people wish for one item? How could that be abused o_O (unless they tried using mules too but i dont think thats hard to find out if its them <<; )

I'm still grumbling over finding vday/stpatty items for sale on gaming gutter ._. i know this is somewhat unrelated but its another thing that irritates me...people trying to make money off the site :/ (when i couldn't get on menewsha i did a google search to see if people were posting i other places about it being down and i was clicking one by one on all the links and i found that site.... /stabs faces ) couldn't see what was in them though cause i didnt have an account (i want to berate the sellers, IE stab them multiple times) )

sigh D: theres always bound to be the people who ruin it for everyone


and as a last note this is what i got:


i was rather proud XD! didnt spend a single gold ;o although now i regret not buying some at half price /gonks self

I don't understand the point in donating to new people anyway.
I enjoyed the challenge of saving up for my first outfit, and the running around naked until I could buy my own stuff with my own money from my own "work" gave me a sense of achievement, it also gave me the desire to work for more items of my own.
If I'd joined said "Give me money/items please" and someone just gave them to me... where's the fun in that? Beg and receive and then what's left? No incentive to 'play the game', no incentive to do anything other than pester people for items.
Also if you give stuff to a new person, they may decide after a few minutes of play that they're not interested in the site, or they could log out and forget about the place. That way you're effectively sending your gold/items to an account to rot.
I only think that donations should be given to people who've been here a long time, earned some items of their own and are capable of playing the economy part of the site alone. Otherwise you're just spoiling it for the new people and for yourself, as you'll end up with a bunch of people whining for items all over the place.

if in just the beginning they already nagging for other users to donate to them without even start to do things from scratch , they would have the highest chance to become inactive or annoyance. :\
well that is in my mean opinion

Posting in this thread, right now, took absolutely no effort whatsoever... and hey! Look! I got some gold!

If someone can't even do that on their own, forget 'em. It takes time and the tiniest bit of thought, yes, but that's life. If you want to feel accomplished, go and accomplish something!

I know i may look as a nooby but i never beg.... swear to god, so please dont judge me on what im not wearing!

We don't judge people if they're in their underwear here, that's a nasty habit that people have on other sites :)

I think we need to have underwear events, where nobody wears clothes. :)