Wow o_o As far as I know, you would have to make someone fall on their back so their head hits the ground, usually hard enough to knock/kill them xP But, seriously, if a man ever tried to hit a woman THAT hard, why would an ettiquette rule stop him?
Also, the reason why no guy wants to ever fight with me: I have deadly strong long nails >.> I know, not most women have nails, but even if you have fake ones, if used correctly, can open an oportunity of escape >o>

PS: Lets ask Jackie Chan what hits are mortal! xD

If she hit him, then he has every right to hit her back. If she's biologically weaker, then she should also be biologically smart enough to know not to pick fist fights with people who can beat her up.

Survival of the fittest. If you're weak and also stupid enough to go picking fights, you're going to die and the world will be better off for it.

As for the topic of hitting women in general...I can't really come to a solid conclusion on it, because I just hate violence like that in general. People hitting each other in arguments bugs the hell out of me - probably because I'm physically pretty weak, but smart enough to debate and argue properly. So when I see people "solving" problems by hitting each other, I think of them as stupid. *shrug*

"If she hit him, then he has every right to hit her back. If she's biologically weaker, then she should also be biologically smart enough to know not to pick fist fights with people who can beat her up."

Try telling that to my friend Loraine. She picks fights with anything that MOVES. lol

I feel this is somewhat a sexist excuse. BUT! I try not to hit girls back...only because woman DO deserve respect. Ladies have to go through a bit more than men...hormonal and everything ya know? For this reason, I have some sympathy.

BUT

There's also a point where you cross the line. Some guys don't like to be touched like that. I have a best friend that likes to hit me...A LOT, and it's super annoying. But instead of hitting her back, I catch her by the wrist [gently no pressure] and just put it beside her and laugh. It doesn't take much to deny. Now if it persists...then you're own your own.

ALSO

If a girl hits a guy for the purpose of causing a fight, a male does have the right to defend himself. I've seen this happen before, so I'm speaking from external experience.

EVER MORE [xD]

Guys are damned if they do and damned if they don't.

1. If they do hit the girl back...they're a "punk"
2. If they don't hit them back...they're a "punk"

So, in conclusion, it's just better to keep your hands, feet, and other body parts to yourself, no?

I try to avoid physical confrontation with anyone. It's just not my style, but call it vestigial feelings of "chivalry" but I would require substantially more provocation from a woman before I hit her. I've been in enough fights to know that I can handle myself, and how well I can do it, yet I've never hit a woman.

I guess it's the opposite of misogyny. :)

This is to add to the discussion of a guy hitting a girl and her dieing.

Women generally are weaker, and it takes a lot less to hurt them. Their pain tolerance is a lot less, as well. A good punch to the ribs could send a rib into somebody's lungs, or stomach, or heart. It all depends on the scenario. When you consider that men are a lot stronger than women, that makes for a really bad cocktail.

Guys should only hit women if it is necessary. It's not sexist. It is commonly accepted etiquette, the law, and morals. At the same time, women have nothing to worry about if they just keep their god damn hands to themselves.

But, seriously, if a man were to pass over the boundaries of reason and hit a woman hard enough to kill her, why would an ettiquette rule stop him?

PS: It would also help if the hypothetical girl didn't start the fight ^^'

Don't hit anybody. Antique sexist dogma, girls and boys are equal in everything execpt for wearing stilettos.

LOL! I like the stilettos comment.

I don't know...I know I wouldn't last long in a fight. Some sexist dogma has some basis of fact: women aren't as strong as men, and so that helps to protect them. I kinda also see it as men being polite...? I dunno, it's weird to try to explain it.

Originally Posted by justin

Women generally are weaker, and it takes a lot less to hurt them. Their pain tolerance is a lot less, as well.

That's skirting very close to being an insulting stereotype. The next time you crap a watermelon, whole, then go ahead and talk to the first child-bearing woman you see about their pain tolerance.

Also, the men > women gender bias cannot be equally applied, either. I've known a vast share of men who couldn't hold up in a fight with my wife, for one.

Originally Posted by Kinmotsu

The next time you crap a watermelon, whole, then go ahead and talk to the first child-bearing woman you see about their pain tolerance.

xD I was waiting for someone to bring that up.

Men refusing to hit women even if they're being beat up themselves is odd because there are two very different ways to look at it. You could view it as a man putting a woman above him by refusing to hit her (as if women are too good for that) or you could view it as a man putting her below him (as if women are weak and inferior).

Kinmotsu- It is a statistically correct fact. I never said women don't go through pain.

Originally Posted by Kinmotsu

That's skirting very close to being an insulting stereotype. The next time you crap a watermelon, whole, then go ahead and talk to the first child-bearing woman you see about their pain tolerance.

xD Amen.

Myself, having always been one of the "guys", I have been into several play-fights, and so I've been hit and punched by boys before. Always however, they were going easy on me (Excepting one instance, where one of them out and out backhanded me, but he got his ass kicked the next day. >_>) and they did that because I was a girl. Which I didn't mind. xD Its not that I can't handle myself; I can. But these guys, as lovely as they were, have all been to juvie at least once, and some of them were a foot taller than me. And I've seen them in real fights when I'm not involved. THEY can handle themselves a lot better than I can; I'd rather stay out of it.

In serious situations though: Don't fucking do it. I've been in an abusive relationship before. Its not cool.
Not an abusive relationship? She just hit you so you're going to hit her back? No. You're bigger, you're stronger. Chances are, you're going to do more damage to her than she could do to you. :roll: Yes, that is sexist. But its the truth. Just because its a sexist comment doesn't make it untrue.
However, sometimes roles are reversed and she's the one that could do more damage to you. In which case, shove your precious masculinity; you're in an abusive relationship, and you need to go get help.

I've had bruises before. My grandmother has nearly been beaten to death before. Do not hit women, I don't care who starts it. Be a better man than that. Walk the fuck away.

Violence is not the answer, and all that good crap.

I think its a sexist excuse it doesnt exist because men abuse women. I believe its inplace to give women the image of stupid and frail and in need of protection. I believe it is quite degrading to the image of women around the world. and IMHO these days you hit a women they gonna kick ya ass =o :P

Originally Posted by justin

Kinmotsu- It is a statistically correct fact.

Cite your source.

Kinmotsu- Testosterone levels in men and women. Testosterone is what increases your muscle mass, and guys have a lot more of it. Testosterone also makes it so men are mentally more aggressive and violent than women, so we build up our strength faster.

Furthermore, Women take longer to regain muscle strength after injuries, or tearing. Workout is just tearing muscles, and having them grow back stronger, so men regenerating them faster makes it a lot faster for us to gain muscle.

Don't take me as sexist. I see women as equals. I do, however, recognize the differences between the two genders.

None of that covers the pain tolerance, which is the most dubious part of your statement.

Justin, then why is it that I'm basically recovered from a very broken ankle, and fractured femur that took place in May, and my father is still bitching about how horridly his back hurts- 18 (or 19, I don't know for sure) years, after the injury took place?

Maybe women just don't bitch as much as men, eh? :P

Kinmotsu- That came from personal experience. And, saying women giving birth gives them higher pain tolerance is a horrible example. Men have never given birth, so you can't use that to compare anything.

Let me rephrase what I said. Most women from the lower mainland of the Vancouver area have far less pain tolerance than men.

Kitami- Maybe his injury wasn't to the muscles?

Okay, I'll refute your pain tolerance claim.

Most women in the downeast area of Maine are troopers whose pain tolerance meets or surpasses most of the men I know.

The conclusion? Pain tolerance is subjective and not related to gender.

While we're on the subject, stating something as a fact based on anecdotal evidence is just as horrible as me using vaginal birth as a gauge of pain tolerance.

I didn't state the Pain Tolerance as a fact. I thought you where referring to my comment on the strength. Horrible wording on my part.

As a girl who has been in scraps with women and men, I would like to say. If the women is effin asking for it there is no reason she shouldn't get hit. And if the man is asking for it. He should get hit too. Women fight every day for equal rights this. Equal rights that. Well alright girls....you want equal rights. Suck it up, stick out your chin and take it like a man! I'm FAR from manly and FAR from girly. I'm a nice medium. But I learned how to fight from my older male cousins cause they figured by the time I was a teenager times would be bad. They were right kinda. I'm 22 now and well life still sucks and I still get in scraps.

I get out of trouble a lot cause i'm a girl but I suck it up. I take the punches I take the hits because HALF THE TIME I PROVOKE SOMEONE ENOUGH TO DESERVE THEM! If you're going to provoke someone and then go all "You can't hit me I'm a girl." You're just being a stupid idiot who claims to be a feminist.

Yeah ok girls are physically weaker than guys. Granted. Its our genetic make-up but I've seen some girls kick a guy to the curb. Its just in your ability to fight. You can be small and scrappy or buff and scary as all hell.

-____- My opinion. Equal rights. Girls hit guys. Guys can hit girls.

When it starts to get life threatening or threatening to your health THEN it should stop and someone should put an end to it.

I don't think that Women should hit guys either! D:< It's outraging. even though I'm a girl, I think that it doesn't matter what gender it is. It's wrong to hit people out of anger or something! well, unless it's self-defense. If it's self-defense I say it's fine. :l But you don't have to get crazy and start beating the crap out of them~.

Maybe it's best not to understand the world and it's somewhat sexist ways. xD

It's kind of an unwritten rule guideline that men aren't supposed to hit women...
It depends on the situation, really. I don't see why he shouldn't hit her back if he had a good reason.

Women are weaker than men, but men should be able to defend themselves.
If they can find a way to restrain rather than knock out whatever woman is going crazy, then that's good.
I mean with some men it's a principle to them not to hit girls.
but women want equal righs, so men should be able to hit them.